I was busy with something else sorry for the ranting, I also was working on the nvidia control pannel and altered some settings on 2 exes: obse loader and the normal oblivion exe. it instant crashes on my new settings so I reset the settings, it doesnt work on obse loader so I changed it back manual and now obse doesn't work, I reinstalled obse but it is still CTD on launching (I didnt use that mod yet, need to fix this first) unusual problem i know, any advice?? I will keep googling in the mean time EDIT: the normal oblivion.exe also doesnt work and reset the nvidia settings , still CTD's