Paragon777

Shinjin is correct in that it's a mashup of multiple mods. It's a private collection of Joeylock; he has multiple versions but they are complete reworks of other modders work altered along with his own custom reworks so you cant simply rebuild it. (The guy is gifted lol; shame he didn't mod for community.) He has multiple versions too but over the past year or so forgot how he had it all organized. Even then he still would then have to get permission from the other modders to share it :/ Im sure they would not hesitate though lol. I always was jealous of his posted pics; talk about a troll T_T. PS Shadowjin is incorrect; if your going to point out people should give credit then make sure its right. Stormlord was made by Gechbal not Hoth... Hoth uses it with his permission. Stormlord source: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/40216 Included in Hoths armor pack: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19733 JoeyLocks Page: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/users/5241044 You can msg him I guess or look over the comments on his photos for discussions. As I said though he already said he cant rebuild it atm :/ (even if he could share)

In response to post #24644689. #24645379, #24645579, #24645684 are all replies on the same post. The "change" thing is an excuse.. Yeah I get its reality also.. This is effectively now a business and that wont stop or protect people from people because by contradicting their own stance on profiting from their content opens them to a dozen versions of litigation. Let alone no form of quality control with a mod in nature causing instability or damage to a game. The distribution of profits lend to sloppy get rich quick modding rather then paying modders for real work; You effectively just came up with a whole 'nother nickle and dime scheme and turned modders into a sweatshop. You might as well sell water as medicine to people. The reality is now the down and dirty of law and greed will be involved. If not here and now (which is ALREADY happening Via Chesko and now the SKYui situation) The reality here and now is not change its Laws and greed. These will drive the direction this goes in. I dont know how to put it. Call it change; but its manipulation... Change is like telling me about Change while the forest burns down around us. It IS the end unless some change is done. Why do people not get it; its business 101. In order to protect the final structure if one even comes about, it will require a new form of control that will certainly effect real modders and places like Nexus. Nexus modders will be the new pirates by definition.. Abuse, slander, and claims wont just happen at Steam because of how sloppy this is but will then be brought to nexus. As someone on Nexus for example questionably post something simi similar to a best seller on WS but in reality is hardly noticeable... Well then they would have to effectively stop the nexus modder as its cutting into their profit. So a system and a line between sanctioned modding and non sanctioned will come about... Which is why to avoid that it seems they plan on bringing out an entire new system or set of tools for the next games in order to keep it bound to Steamworkshop only. So ie it kills modding.

In response to post #24643354. #24643854, #24643949, #24644484, #24645019, #24645524 are all replies on the same post. He's not wrong.. Its not about just complaining or being as simple as "not having to buy" hes talking the truth about how it's heading and what it means. He is simply saying the natural cause and effect of things that WILL 100% happen unless this is reversed. Its just business and statistics. It will dmg modding. Sure it will still be around; because it was always a tight nit community however that's IF they don't find a way to eliminate non sanctioned modding as it could be made non sanctioned modding under this coarse in order to protect themselves with this model. This entire model can be used as a way to profit off modders and at the same time turn all non financial generating contributions to be labeled as some form of piracy.. Since the Publisher is not getting their chunk and or it distracts from their sales.. Do you understand for example a nexus mod could conflict with a well known steam sold mod this would cause conflict that would require actions. He came up with a valid point; in order to control quality and content because this has opened a mass tear in space of potential lawsuits they will force it to be workshop bound. Let alone by nature with current systems it encourages low quality and sloppy work or then the fact that mods in general brake your game unless you're a master at it lol. Let alone no possible way to even CHECK the quality of a mod yet your still charging for it? IF MORE control was given to modders via better software tools this could be lessened. OR if Beth took the mods in then looked over them and made sure they worked; by then releasing their own version then giving you your cut. Its 101 stuff. Its great to be hopeful and all but this is the agenda. Its was not Val/Beth saying boy gee wiz lets give back to our community... Matter of fact its more like well lets get this "blank" storm over with before the next games come in. This will net them double profits when it does.. Its about Profit... This is nickle and dimming after a slew of a yr plus now of this kind of thing escalating by companies. At the same time it is literally almost like setting p a sweat shoo lol. At the same time the current system encourages and rewards fast and sloppy work; it appeals to the get rich quick types; not the modders who work hard and should get something. Even then tech they are using them for cheap content that makes them hundreds and the modders nothing. Again Keep in mind this is LEADING to the next 2 games. You will get 1000s of greedy people suddenly participating and the slander, he/she stole, used, etc will be impossible to ignore. The patchiness of making such claims when in these cases people use the same resources; of which none belong to either in the first place is hilarious. But because your being paid this changes that all. Its contradicts to the publishers own stance and IS open to legality. I mean my god Chesko already got hit day one by a claim; legit or not.. When the get rich YT/twitch wannabe desperadoes join in on this it going to be all hell braking lose. And if they don't start now they will for sure on next release. At the same time we then have the current debacle going down right now.. SKYui is required for most modders that are new to even intermediate at this stage for MCM capability alone. Now he has pulled out from nexus (well all future development.) A Core mod needed now for most mods. At the same time lol even SKyui makes use of SKSE... So SKYui profiting off of not just mod users but modders should be forced to pay SKSE should they not. Im just using this as a small example; but this is the "blank"fest that will be coming. And you know what who is to say that Beth should not have included their own caked in system like SKui has for modders. Because by not doing so and no controlling profit from both markets they are effectively able to nickle and dime people on a whole 'nother lvl!!!!! Which is why I said if they are going through with this they are goign to have to give access to much better tools to the communities next time around. Your not wrong either but you are not at all looking at the reality of the business model nor the effect it will have. The loopholes that will open over this kind of exchange BECAUSE of the BAD people will be so large that if they truly want to keep something functional up they will by nature be required to consolidate their set up; which means the end of nexus and the like. (Unless of coarse they have something going on behind the scene; which imo is their own business and non of ours.) But you give to much credit to thinking they will just let things stand as is with the way things will go. They might scratch each others back; im not saying its not possible. But again its the legalities that would by defacto lead to it having to be ended. .ie you cant have your cake and eat it too. This then leads to a future of companies now getting their content from players at Sweatshop value while they company makes bank. And in order to keep order they would have to lock down any modding not going through official channels as a form of piracy. Why do you play this down so simple as a god forbid they let modders add an ability to pay. LOL its an agenda not a handout.. Yes I know English but im bad at it..

In response to post #24569794. #24569974 is also a reply to the same post. ..on the contrary. Down the road this could mean a valid way to shut nexus down... :/