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UPDATE: Was having repeated crash problems upon entering Whiterun listening to the conversation between Idalof and Adrienne. As soon as he says "I'd sooner bend my knee to Ulfric Stormcloak", it would crash. Disabled all DBM_ plugins, went one by one... it was The Tools Of Kagrenac that was crashing it. Mod gone, smooth sailing so far. jjb54, thanks again for the advice. I've disabled all mods and went through them one by one, or in some case in groups of 3 or 4. Seems the problems clashed in several spots, so I'm keeping the following disabled: -DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp -DBM_ELFXExtreriors_Patch.esp -DMB_ZimsThaneWeapons_Patch.esp -ELFX - Hardcore.esp -EnhancedLightsandFX.esp -imp_helm_legend.esp -ImprovedClosedfacedHelmets_WACCF.esp -SoS_ELFX+Hardcore+Weathers_Patch.esp -Sos_TrueStorms_Patch.esp -WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp So far, there's been no crash upon arriving at Riverwood, nor when I use a tanning rack or blacksmith's forge. Seriously, guys, thank you so much, I appreciate the help and advice. Been jonesing for nearly a month unable to play, I'm finaly able to get my fix (much to my wife's chagrin lol!)

Okay, run down on advice: -I knew about the glitch/problem with Helgen Reborn, and I guess I should have mentioned I do disable it upon starting a new game. -I am definitely running LOOT, but I guess I'm a bit of a noob. If I click the "Sort Plugins" button, is that it, or should more be done? When I run LOOT on its own, I end up getting the same load order as Vortex. -I have updated Vigilant to the ESM version, and disabled the 3 plugins mentioned. A bit more on the usual crash, it's not the dirt cliff coming towards the Riverwood gate, it's as soon as Ralof starts rounding the lumber mill to meet Gerdur. Even with all the fixes/disables/etc., I tried running a new game from starting point (I have a "Prisoner" save once the cart stops in Helgen saved with no mods or plugins loaded to begin with), but once again, as soon as Ralof and I arrive at Riverwood, and he says "Looks like we're the first ones to arrive," and walks across the bridge, the game crashes to the desktop.

Ok, so I've recently updated Legacy Of The Dragonborn to version 5, and have done through most of the other mods I have to update and/or remove compatible/non-compatible mods. Now, when I start the game, it crashes as soon as Ralof and I arrive at Riverwood. Before that, it would crash when trying to use a tanning rack or blacksmith forge. Not sure if there's a conflicting mod, or a different order I should have them. I'm using Vortex Mod Manager, which has the LOOT mod included with it. For the record, I have tried disabling all mods and run the game gradually enabling them one-by-one, but can't seem to null out the problem. current load order: Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmDawnguard.esmHearthFires.esmDragonborn.esmUnofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.espLegacyoftheDragonborn.esmfalskaar.esmGray Fox Cowl.esmWyrmstooth.espELFX - Exteriors.espELFX - Weathers.espTrueStormsSE.espUnreadBooksGlow.espDMB_UnreadBooksGlow_Patch.espGray Cowl of Nocturnal - iNeed Patch.espPurewaters.espEnhancedLightsandFX.espRelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp (currently disabled)SOTFull.espCollegeofWinterholdImmersive.espSoundsofSyrimComplete.espHelgen Reborn.espELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Somber.esp (currently disabled)ELFXWeathers_TS_SoS_Patch.espSoS_TrueStorms_Patch.espAKSkyrimUnderground.espMoonAndStar_MAS.espUndeath.espWeapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.espGray Cowl - WACCF Patch.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espmoonpath.espJRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.espZIA_Complete Pack.espSkyrimUniqueTreasures.espCloaks.espOBIS SE.espVISPatch-OBIS SE.espImmersive Weapons.espImmersive Weapons_WACCF_Patch.espOBIS SE - SoT Bandit Patch.espDBM_WACCF_Patch.espimp_helm_legend.espUSSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.espPrvtl_HeavyArmory.espPrvtl_HeavyArmory_WACCF_Patch.espSL01AmuletsSkyrim.espwavetest.espArtifacts.espDBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.espWZOblivionArtifacts.espDBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.espkonahrik_accoutrements.espKonahriks Accoutrements ICH-WACCF-VIS Patch.espWACCF_KonahriksAccoutrements.espImprovedClosedfacedHelmets_WACCF.espDBM_SoT_Patch.espImmersive Patrols II.espVigilant.espVigilant Voiced.espFossilsyum.espTools of Kagrenac.espZIA_WACCF_Patch.espDBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.espCloaks - Dawnguard.espCloaks - USSEP Patch.espHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espPrvtlRoyalArmory.espAetheriumSwordsnArmor.espDBM_AetheriumWeapons_Patch.espDBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.espDBM_IW_Patch.espDBM_TOK_Patch.espineed.espnotice board.espOBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.espDBM_MAS_Patch.espForgottenCity.espDBM_Undeath_Patch.espStagPrinceBow.espDBM_CWIPatch.esptreasure_hunt.espDBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.espDBM_Falskaar_Patch.espDBM_KA_Patch.espDBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.espDBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.espDBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.espicebladeofthemonarch.espDBM_IceBladeMonarch_Patch.espDBM_Wyrmstooth_Patch.espDBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.espDBM_OBIS_Patch.espDBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.espDBM_NewTreasureHunt_Patch.espDBM_SUT_Patch.espDBM_ELFX_Patch.espDBM_ZimsThaneWeapons_Patch.esp (currently disabled)ArtifactsOfBoethiah.espDBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.espDBM_DaedricRealms_Patch.espDBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.espRavengate.espDBM_Moonpath_Patch.espOBIS SE Patrols Addon.espVISPatch-OBIS Patrols Addon.espGray Cowl of Nocturnal - Unofficial Patch.espDBM_IA_Patch.espRuinsEdge.espStaffOfSheogorath.espDBM_StaffOfSheogorath_Patch.espDBM_HA_Patch.espDBM_RuinsEdge_Patch.espDBM_Fossils_Patch.espdd - enhanced blood main.espicepenguinworldmap.espContainers and Leveled Lists Fixes.espGray Fox Cowl - CLLF Patch.espDBM_CLLF_Patch.espELFX - Hardcore.espSoS_ELFX+Hardcore+Weathers_Patch.espWACCF_BAshedPatchLvlListFix.esp (currently disabled)

Okay, so I was having trouble with V5 of Legacy Of The Dragonborn, and have since updated all the necessary mods, but the game would CTD when I opened the door to the East Exhibit Hall at the museum. So I opted to start a new character with the new updates. So blah blah blah escape Helgen with Ralof yada yada yada, once we arrive at Riverwood, as soon as we start to pass the sawmill, the game CTD. Not sure if it has anything to do with my MOD order or anything, but any help would be appreciated: (Plugin - Load Order - Index) Skyrim.esm 00 1Update.esm 01 2Dawnguard.esm 02 3HearthFires.esm 03 4Dragonborn.esm 04 5falskaar.esm 05 6Gray Fox Cowl.esm 06 7Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp 07 8Vigilant.esp 08 9Wymrstooth.esp 09 10LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm 0A 11AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp 0B 12ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp 0C 13Artifacts.esp 0D 14ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp 0E 15Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp 0F 16Cloaks.esp 10 17Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 11 18Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp 12 19CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 13 20DBM_CWIPatch.esp 14 21dd - enchanced blood main.esp 15 22ELFX - Exteriors.esp 16 23ELFX - Weathers.esp 17 24EnhancedLightsandFX.exp 18 25ELFX - Hardcore.esp 19 26ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp 1A 27ELFX - NoHjerim.esp 1B 28ELFX - NoHoneyside.esp 1C 29ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp 1D 30ELFX - NoProudspireManor.esp 1E 31ELFX - NoSeverinManor.esp 1F 32ELFX - NoVlindrelHall.esp 20 33ELFXEnhancer.esp 21 34AKSkyrimUnderground.esp 22 35Helgen Reborn.esp 23 36Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 24 37Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 25 38icebladeofthemonarch.esp 26 39Immersive Patrols II.esp 27 40Immersive Weapons.esp 28 41ineed.esp 29 42MoonAndStar_MAS.esp 2A 43MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp 2B 44moonpath.esp 2C 45notice board.esp 2D 46OBIS SE.esp 2E 47OBIS Loot SE.esp 2F 48OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp 30 49OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp 31 50PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp 32 51PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp 33 52Purewaters.esp 34 53Ravengate.esp 35 54RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp 36 55RuinsEdge.esp 37 56SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp 38 57SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp 39 58SOTFull.esp 3A 59OBIS SE - SoT Bandit Patch.esp 3B 60SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp 3C 61SoS_ELFX+Hardcore+Weathers_Patch.esp SoS_ELFX+Enhancer+Weathers_Patch.esp 3D 62StaffOfSheogorath.esp 3E 63StagPrinceBow.esp 3F 64ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp 40 65Tools of Kagrenac.esp 41 66treasure_hunt.esp 42 67TrueStormsSE.esp 43 68SoS_TrueStorms_Patch.esp ELFXWeathers_TS_AOS_Patch.esp 44 69ELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Lucid.esp 45 70ELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Lucid_WaterFix.esp 46 71ELFXWeathers_TS_SoS_Patch.esp 47 72Undeath.esp 48 73UnreadBooksGlow.esp 49 74Vigilant.esp 4A 75Vigilant Voiced.esp 4B 76VISPatch-OBIS Patrols Addon.esp 4C 77VISPatch-OBIS SE.esp 4D 78wavetest.esp 4E 79WZOblivionArtifacts.esp 4F 80ZIA_Complete Pack.esp 50 81DBM_ZimsThaneWeapons_Patch.esp Fossilsyum.esp 51 82DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp DBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.esp DBM_Artifacts_Patch.esp 52 83DBM_Cloaks_Patch.esp 53 84DBM_HA_Patch.esp DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp DBM_IA_Patch.esp DBM_IceBladeMonarch_Patch.esp DBM_IW_Patch.esp DBM_MAS_Patch.esp DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp DBM_RuinsEdge_Patch.esp DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp DBM_SoT_Patch.esp DBM_StaffofSheogorath_Patch.esp DBM_StagPrinceBow_Patch.esp 54 85DBM_TOK_Patch.esp DBM_TreasureHunt_Patch.esp 55 86DBM_Undeath_Patch.espDBM_Vigilant_Patch.espDBM_ZimsImmersiveArtifacts_Patch.espForgottenCity.esp 56 87Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - Unofficial Patch.espGray Cowl of Nocturnal - Delayed Start.espGray Cowl of Nocturnal - Less Weight.espGray Cowl Footprints.espGray Cowl of Nocturnal - iNeed Patch.espWeapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 57 88Gray Cowl - WACCF Patch.esp konahrik_accoutrements.esp 58 89WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp 59 90imp_helm_legend.esp 5A 91Containers and Leveled Lists Fixes.espGray Fox Cowl - CLLF PatchUSSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.espDBM_ELFX_Patch.espDBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.espDBM_ArtifactsofSkyrim_Patch.espDBM_AetheriumWeapons_Patch.espDBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.espDBM_Fossils_Patch.espDBM_NewTreasureHunt_Patch.espDBM_SUT_Patch.espDBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.espDBM_Falskaar_Patch.espDBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.espDBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.espDBM_KA_Patch.espDBM_Moonpath_Patch.espDBM_Wyrmstooth_Patch.espDBM_AOS_Patch.espDBM_CLLF_Patch.espDBM_DaedricRealms_Patch.espDBM_UnreadBooksGlow_Patch.espDBM_WACCF_Patch.espKonahriks Accoutrements ICH-WACCF-VIS Patch.esp