SilverDNA

I do believe that aliens had a role in human civilization. How you ask? :biggrin: just use your imagination! :biggrin: It was mentioned here before so i'm sorry that i've lost track on the 10 pages of text. So please forgive me that. From the ages of the caves until now they kept us going. In mythology there all kind of gods, goddesses and supernatural beings. Today there a all kinds of horror, fantasy and science fiction books movies and tv-shows (they have a market) Humans are primal social. They want to believe that they are not the only sentient beings in the universe. They don't want to be alone. The role of aliens is important to our civilization even if we don't meet aliens till now. Some of us need the time of thinking of alien stories to make a mental vacation because life can be cruel to us and then we come back from our vacations to find a solutions to our problems. Imagine an alien race that is in all kinds human like with the exception that they have no imagination and fantasy and are fixed to reality and then imagine the problems that civilization would have. They have been a vehicle of our imaginations for a long time now. All those stories have an importance as a vehicle to our civilization that would made some science not possible. In some cases there has been a connection to those myths and stories. Some examples i know of. Isaac Asimov's 3 robot laws are accepted by modern robotics In the Movie 2001 the discovery made a special maneuver that was copied by the NASA with a probe years later. Scientists are learning from those stories and Fiction writers relay on science and aliens are the device to make in some cases that acceptable to the broad mass. I think stories of aliens have made some cultural enrichment to us and can transport a wide array of sciences, ideas and theories. I think that is acceptable to say that aliens have some role in our civilization. :thumbsup:

These day there is some question that bugging me that is maybe related to this. Have we to many diversions that help us to not see people suffering, or do we want to see people suffering as a diversion, or both? I think that there is some answers to sensibilities in that question. But I can't answer it fairly (Maybe only for the moment.) and it makes me mad about myself. Not to see clearly a way through the answer. I don't know if it is really worth a threat her. What I see is that since the caves people hurt each other and nothing has really changed to a that. We have technology, sports, politics, movies etc. and that all and if a person is hurt we can walk away to that diversions and leave them in their pain. For a lot of people it is that easy and there are other who want to hurt someone who is suffering openly then even more just because the have the might to it and a reason for them to justify it for them selfs. That's how I come down to the question above. But I know and I fear the the next question and that why I'm bugging myself with all of that. I'm a person who makes people suffer like that or I'm a person who walks away from a person who is suffering, or worse both?

About those hateful things that come to mind... I've read these days that scientists had proven that the limbic system stimulates strong chemical reactions if you experience traumatic situations. The effect is like writing it with a chisel on a stone in the mind and that's why negative emotions/situations/ memories come up to mind more easily than positive ones. Hopefully that this is helpful. SilverDNA

Guess why I did this :whistling: before I wrote the line? Well I'm sorry about that! Where do we stand now with the discussion? Do people believe only the things that they see? Is a glass half filled with water and the other half with air so tricky or easy to solve as a problem? And is the answer to the question: "Is it half full or half empty", say more of the one who gives the answer to that question? I believe yes!

I like Denmark, nice country friends of me make their holidays there! I want to express my point of view on the hole. Non of the systems does include fully individualism and that's what counts to me most. It all comes down to a minority govern the majority completely ignoring individualism. So every body has his strengths and weaknesses as an individual. And every Individual regardless of strengths and weaknesses is in worth even in it's rights. And not a group of people can shorten that rights. Amicus iure, sed magis amica veritas. (Plain translated: I'm a friend of the laws, but more friendly I'm to the truth.) The simplest truth of it all is that if a minority rules above the majority, individualism is valued even more less. In that case you have to adapt to that society, meaning that you have to bow your head to society and become a slave. If you don't follow society you will feel the beast that lurks within it and become an outcast. Meaning in clearly that a majority is disrespecting, or even more insulting, ignoring Individualism. Have fun!

The best debate about the glass. It's the topic of this. I've covered above a lot of the physics and the philosophical view of the glass from my point of view. My 1st simple statement reached into the math and logical proved that there is no zero. My 2nd statement above implied the questions "Who are you? and how do you view the world?" Well, 1st that moved the debate on a point where it's useless to argue with simple math. 2nd I've made it shift to the simple social question that is constantly bothering every body. I assume, that going of topic is a way to say that I've been right and the debate is closed. :biggrin: If not, then argue on about a glass that is filled with every matter of oneself. :whistling: Since you've broad it on the table, why not shift the view of the glass to religion?

In my opinion there isn't any empty glass, because if it is visually empty it still has air in it. And if you would use a vacuum pump to make it airless, it still has vacuum in it. If we look at the position of negative and positive of that view, I can assume that there is never a truly negative that can't be solve in a way or another. Or in other words: The only problem is the individual point of view in this debate, because every body is thinking something else and adopts the positioning in the debate with his own view the negative and positive. If you view the glass you look into yourself.