This is a general discussion forum so i thought i could talk about what i want, if you think its not productive then go do something else you don't have to read posts you don't like. I don't hate skyrim, its a great game, its the Elder scrolls FFS. I simply wanted to start a topic where people could share there (bad)experiences with others, i really do find it amusing to hear about skyrim glitchs. So be "Productive" and post some or don't and leave please The quest thing i went over already, how can it be my fault that i have to still have the quest in my quest log jumbling it up after iv already failed the quest because of some NPCs death, why dosent the quest simply disappear from the quest log once its failed like moraevik said its just good game design. Skyrim IS unplayable(sometimes), at level 5 do you guys fight blood dragons or ancient dragons? Wanna know how impossible that fight was? In the middle of a quest the person you have to talk to isent there or refuses to talk to me while the next person i see is fine. Quests which once i complete them skyrim CTD instantly(Vanilla quests,and Dawnguard quests) I do run mods but those are new armors/weapons/clothes and the opening theme was changed to that woman how sang the dragon born song(cant remember her name tho it started with an M i think) and CBBE but not ever before was i having problems with these mods, all problems i have were in the base game and havent stopped sense i got the game. I have to disagree with you on the whole"skyrim more stable then oblivion" thing, its not never was. The sheer amount of glitchs i run into in skyrim put every Bethesda employe to shame. You said it your self "let the players beta test there game and fix it with mods", that is bad company management. While i have completed Oblivion 3 times(story that is(its just so short)), and ran all over cyrodil i have never ran into the problems i have everyday with skyrim. I bash Bethesda for not knowing how to make a game, look at the TES line of games, notice the sharp decline in game enjoyability between Morrowind and Oblivion. Back when i was a little shithead my Mother had to drag me away from Morrowind to go eat supper some nights, Morrowind was my life for most of grade 11. Then i played Oblivion, meh, never impressed me till martins fight with dagon. Then i played Daggerfall after i got it off Bethesda site, THAT GAME RIGHT THERE. It was and still is a masterpiece, infinitely better then oblivion or skyrim(also iv nearly beatin it and how many bugs/glitchs have i ran into, none.) Skyrim is a ruined game, Bethesda went and made Dragons the main enemies, wow that's not exactly like every other rpg. What was the Elder scrolls befor that? It was an RPG series on its own level, i used to say to my friends all every time they got a new RPG "meh looks good but its no Elder scrolls" And now Skyrim is a steriotypical RPG go ahead and try to find something into that not been used before. The Elder Scrolls were the height of RPG gameing, they were diferent then any other RPG. The things you did, the monsters you fought, the quests you did were a good jump and a better leap from other RPGS that litered the shelfs of stores. I remember a time when the mere fought of a game being as good as TES was funny to me, but now those games look decent in contrast to skyrim. Ill say it again to avoid flaming from people who think TL:DR, i like skyrim, its just not a well put together game. Now that all thats out of the way would you guys stop post on a topic when you have nothing of to contribute. I didnt start a topic to start an argument, I started the topic to be able to hear about other peoples glitchs.