@Mac: "Next is the opinions of people who have "heard it on the grapevine" from third parties who may or may not be biased and who may or may not have actually witnessed an event from a distance closer than the limits of unassisted vision. An example of this might be "Ulfric literally shouted Torygg to pieces." With perhaps the added enticement to belief of "My brother heard it from a guard."" Theese are the lines wich Toryg tells the player personaly in Sovngarde: "When Ulfric Stormcloak, with savage Shout, sent me here, my sole regret was fair Elisif, left forlorn and weeping." "I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?" So far we know Ulfric used A shout, all witnesses are not reliable and Ulfrig and Toryg are out of the question, since Toryg clearly doesn't know the meaning of shouts and Ulfric could be lying. And about the honor part opinions, in Skyrim are divided almost 50-50. As for the lore... "4E 201 — Torygg, the High King of Skyrim, is killed by Ulfric Stormcloak at Solitude." from the UESP. It says "Killed" (the words duel or murder don't appear so they pretty much leava that to the player's concious. The books from the game are as reliabel as the witnesses. Depends who wrote them (Imperial or Stormcloack supporter)