Thanks guys I did figure out the Thieves guild quest was not working because the top fence guy was mad at me. I had to increase his disposition (i didnt steal for him in Chorrol) Still cant figure out the fighters guild quest. The leader verbally gives me the quest every time I ask him for a contract but no green arrow, no journal entry about it, no lady at the house, its like he really didnt give it. the console 'setstage' command will start quests?