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Deadly combat has not been updated to the latest version of skyrim. So it definitely could have a few bugs in them. Skyrim redone and duel combat realism can do similar things, and have been updated more recently. So deadly combat as a rule of thumb isn't safe to use. It may work, but then again the worry is: you never know. Again, this is about performance. having a user made mod of 2k graphics over Bethesda's high resolution dlc(which has very impressive graphics nonetheless) is going to kill your performance. I have no issue with hypothermia. at the time better magic was no longer supported, since patch 1.4 ish. We were at patch 1.9 and much of it was broken. There were literally no good alternatives besides skyre

This was originally posted by me in July 2013, but since Skyrim has not been patched by Bethesda since then, this still holds. Intro: Thanks camaro_69_327 for the update to the troubleshooting guide! Many other updates have also been added. My original post had 11k views! Original post: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1015916-ultimate-skyrim-nexus-mod-management-guide/ Now, many of us have probably run into this problem. You download a mod, or multiple mods and all of a sudden, you CTD, bug or run into performance issues. Then you search for a solution and are forced to look through every mod you just downloaded! Well, worry no further! This guide will help you avoid ctds or other performance issues that plague many modders alike. First off, you need the most recent version of skyrim. Go on steam and download it (or otherwise ;P) Note that this information is taken from many sources: Personal experience, wiki pages, skyrim projects involved. Also, it has only been tested on a WINDOWS PC. Other systems my not apply. Terms you should know: Vanilla Skyrim: Original, unmodded Esm: refers to any file with a .esm extension. It is an acronym for Elder Scrolls Master. Esp: refers to any file with a .esp extenstion. It is an acronym for Elder Scrolls Plugin. DLC: DownLoadable Content, extra stuff that bethesda came out with! Clean Save: Does not exist. Scripts may stay in game even after a clean save. Cloaking scripts, "active" mods: Constantly updating mods, may strain weaker PCs Dirty edit: a bad edit in a mod/plugin that changes Skyrim.esm ENB: Refers to powerful post processing modification, usually a graphics mod. Ini edits: Changes to skyrim settings. Found in: Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Skyrim.ini Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Skyrimprefs.ini Papyrus Logs: Error/Warning logs. Found in: Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Logs/Script What is Legendary Edition, and versions of Skyrim?: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Patch Skyrim has not been officially patched since 1.9.32.0.8, or legendary edition. That was in March, 2013. Somes mods have not been updated to 1.9.32.0.8 and should be avoided. Included in Legendary are Dawnguard, Hearthfire, Dragonborn and High Resolution DLCs. Some mods may only work with the most up to date version of skyrim, or one of the extensions. For extensions an example of incompatibility would be: you don't have Dawnguard, you might not be able to access a good vampire mod. Obviously, if you haven't updated to the latest version of skyrim, you should now. MUST HAVE DOWNLOADS: You simply must have these downloads for every modder! Many scripts won't work properly without these. All download links below. MOD MANAGERS: Nexus Mod Manager: Simple Mod Manager for downloading plugins AND Mod Organizer: A mod manager that allows you to keep "profiles", mods for different loads and setups. Also separates them into directories SUPER USEFUL: WinRaR or Alternative: For extracting files. SKSE: Script Extender for many, if not all game-changing plugins. LOOT: Largest load order organizer database, optimizes load order to prevent performance or stability issues. SkyUI: Improves the user interface to better fit the PC! Safety Load: blocks infinite loading screen bug! PATCH FIXES!(Bethesda has not updated skyrim since legendary edition in 2013, you need these): Unofficial Skyrim Patch: Fixes MANY MANY BUGS. A must-must have. Dawnguard DLC Patch Hearthfire DLC Patch Dragonborn DLC Patch High Resolution DLC Patch USEFUL DOWNLOADS(For the advanced user): All download links below. Rage inducing PC, OR maxed the pc out? PERFORMANCE: Hialgoboost: Enhances graphics card performance using a special resolution technique. Useful from low-end computers to high-end computers. Project Optimization: Improves GPU and cpu load by not running what's already there! Optimizer Textures: Reduces and fixes the size of textures by compressing the textures, improving performance. HOWEVER, may make textures have a lesser resolution. Non-gameplay related: Wyre Bash 305+: Makes mods more compatible by making a "bashed patch", removing most if not all incompatibilities. Skryim Configurator: Configures Skyrim without skyrim launcher, much more detailed. In Game related: Save Game Cleaner: Cleans saved games, saving space and decreasing load times(those annoying dead NPC's that stay there forever) Generate FNIS for Users: Add animations and animation bugs fixes. SUM: A unified skyproc patcher, for downloading patches for mods such as Skyrim Redone and Dual Sheath Redux. TES5Edit: Cleans dirty edits. However, use at your own risk. Basically cleans mods that conflict with others. All contemporary modders use this to make sure their mod doesn't interfere with others. Walkthroughs/Installation help: Project Stability: Detailed walkthrough for stability(not a mod). Also a huge source for this post. ENB: Help for ENB Installations(sorry, not a download). Papyrus Debugging: Error finding for papyrus, makes a log for errors. Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Skyrim.ini --- [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 --- To view the errors, go to Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Logs/Script View the error code using wordpad or others, NOT notepad or it looks like a huge mess. Performance Mods: DO NOT USE OUTDATED PERFORMANCE MODS SUCH AS SKYBOOST. MANY PERFORMANCE ISSUES HAVE BEEN PATCHED SINCE PATCH 1.3, or 2012. Use hialgoboost, project optimization, or optimizer textures(outside modifier). Graphics Enhancing Mods(ENB etc.): For any graphics enhancing mods, make sure your mods are not graphically enhancing the same objects. So don't install 2 different mods that graphically enhance the same particles of say, a river's water. Don't install two lighting mods at the same time, or it won't look pretty. Troubleshooting is pretty self-explanatory. Graphics mods never cause crashes. Instead, you will see different or incorrect textures. Always go through the other mods if you have any issues. Major Causes of Crashes OR Issues: This is a checklist for major causes of crashes or other issues. These cause what I believe to be 99.99% of the crashes and troubleshooting issues modders get: Missing Master/esm or missing plugin/esp *A mod refers to a plugin or masters that DOES NOT EXIST. check which esm or esps are missing with Wyre Bash. uninstall with nmm or/and manually remove in data folder mods that rely on other nonexistent mods. Using mod organizer, check your esms or esps on the side and deactivate them manually. Causes crashes instantly on start* Incompatible Mods *Use LOOT for load order! Also try not to use mods that do the same thing. Wrye bash can also fix many compatible mods by making a bashed patch. Check the Wrye Bash section or their download page for more details* Outdated-Faulty Mods *check the tips and tricks section for avoiding these mods! Basically the tips and tricks section tells us to avoid so and so mods!* Infinite Loading and game freezing *due to bad memory allocation or memory allocation failure, there's a newer mod that fixes it "Safety Load"* Bad save files *Very difficult to fix, AVOID bad mods that have too many dirty edits etc or are outdated... sometimes forces a save file to become completely UNPLAYABLE Hard to confirm, is it the mod or is it the save? use Skyrim Save Cleaner to remove refids* Bad/outdated .ini tweaks *go to Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Skyrim.ini Documents/My Games/Skyrim/Skyrimprefs.ini and delete the .ini (s) to refresh the ini tweaks. Warning: forces you to completely redo Skyrim Configurator or Skyrim Launcher settings* Tips and Tricks When Downloading: 1a. Take note of the description. Read it carefully for compatibility, bug issues and installion! 1b. Usually, all you have to do is go to files and click "Download with Manager", or if with mod manager, download compressed file!(duh.) 1c. In Files, optional files may contain compatibility patches. Check them out! 1d. Also pay attention to when a mod was last updated. As a rule of thumb 2012 and earlier may cause crashes, bugs, dirty edits, unfixable save files... HELL, if they do anything beyond changing textures, AVOID THEM 2. Right in "description", check "Last updated" below the menu. Most older mods(2012 and eariler) ARE BUGGY and will not work well. I have to repeat this because. this. is. SO. IMPORTANT. 3. READ THE COMMENTS! Very useful information can be found about bugs, issues or compatibilities. 4. Google it. read the comments. seriously. WinRaR or alternative: http://www.winrar.com/ For WinRaR, use it to open the compressed mod file and extract everything to a folder. extracting to data folder itself may not work due to admin privileges, so extract it to say, a folder in desktop. Then, Click and drag OR copy from inside the new folder and paste it where it needs to be. Usually, you need to paste in here: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\skyrim\data OR C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\skyrim If you have Skyrim in another directory, the folders are ...\skyrim\data ...\skyrim Simply read the readme.txt or instructions that come with a mod. SKSE: http://skse.silverlock.org/ A must have for many if not all popular and game-changing mods, such as SKYUI. Mod not working? Do you have SKSE? SKSE extends the powers of a mods' scripts and optimizes it. Installation: Simply download, and extract to ...|skyrim. Overwrite ...|skyrim|data After installation, YOU MUST run SKSE, not Skyrim Launcher exe or Skyrim exe. If using a mod manager, be sure to run through SKSE. Nexus Mod Manager: http://skyrim.nexusm...s/modmanager//? Download and install. Pretty self explanatory. Remember to check the mods for updates. Mods->Latest Version Download mods via the "Download with Manager" button. Mod Organizer: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/1334/? A mod manager that allows you to keep "profiles", mods for different loads and setups. Also separates them into directories. Arguably the "better" nexus mod manager for these reasons. Super useful if you want to run different mods on different saves. Download the mods manually, and install the compressed files using the organizer. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO EXTRACT THE COMPRESSED FILES. LOOT: http://loot.github.io/ Download manually, and run the application as administrator from anywhere on computer. Run it when installing new mods! Gives detailed information about dirty edits, mods, and incompatibilities! SkyUI: http://skyrim.nexusm...com/mods/3863/? Download using manager, and go through the install. Many mods use the MCM interface that comes with SkyUI. Mod Configuration Menu is found in the menus. Escape Key(default)-> Mod Configuration You can configure the settings of other mods through the mod configuration menu. Unofficial Skyrim Patch and DLC Patches: Bug fixes before and after 2013 Legendary Edition that have not been fixed by Bethesda! DO NOT UNINSTALL or it may break your save. There are no unsafe changes. Unofficial Skyrim Patch: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/19/? Dawnguard DLC: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/23491/? Hearthfire DLC: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/25127/? Dragonborn DLC: http://skyrim.nexusm...m/mods/31083//? High Resolution DLC: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/31255/? Safety Load http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/46465/? Newer mod that blocks infinite loading screen bug by fixing memory allocation. Wyre Bash: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/1840/? Installation: A pretty self-explanatory installer. To make a bashed patch 1. Open, click "Mods" tab find "Bashed Patch, 0.esp" 2. Right click and click on "Rebuild Patch" 3. Click "Build Patch" This makes mods more friendly and compatible with each other. Wyre Bash also discovers missing masters(esm) or missing plugins(esp). Just go to Mods Tab: If anything is "Red", you can find a fix! Save Game Cleaner: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/31724/? Install manually, and extract. 1. Load your save file. 2. Open the console using the ~ key on your keyboard and type the following: save mysave 1 3. The game will make a dump file, so wait a few minutes. "mysave.ess.txt" AND "mysave.ess" 5. Run SKYRIM Save Cleaner.exe 6. click on "fix all REFR's", Follow the prompts "mysave.ess.txt" AND "mysave.ess" are in your skyrim saves folder Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Saves 7. once finished load "mysave.ess" from in-game skyrim load menu. The application resets a lot of references, removing dead bodies etc. Use for bloated saves for much faster load speeds. May also fix broken "saves". Skryim Configurator: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/814/? Install manually, extract and run. Change the settings to what you want. It saves changes to .ini files, just choose and click "Apply". Much more convenient and thorough than the default launcher. Changes graphics, sound and controls. Hialgoboost: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/15123/? Graphics card booster, reduces lag and significantly decreases loading times. Extract into ...\skyrim When it's running: there's a pop-up before Skyrim start, and a logo at the top right when playing. Hialgoboost improves render performance by reducing resolution of pixels selectively. When you would normally lag and receive a FPS drop, Hialgoboost instead reduces the pixels and keeps your FPS steady. Project Optimization: http://skyrim.nexusm...m/mods/32505//? Extract and run. Improvements to interiors, increases performance. Makes everything you cannot see, not run. ...|skyrim Generate FNIS for Users: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/11811/? Adds animations to game. Download, and install. ...|skyrim Run Generate FNIS for Users after installation, and go through the options. Creates and changes animations in game to your liking. SUM: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/29865/? Unifies all SkyProc patchers for patch adding. Download, and run the java program to patch the game for mods like Skyrim Redone(SkyRe) and Dual Sheath Redux. Optimizer Textures: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/12801/? Optimizes textures via compression. Download, and run. Click under "Profiles" and choose your optimization *minimum(safe), medium, maximum* Optimizes textures by making them compressed(and smaller) without reducing much or sometimes any noticeable quality. TES5Edit: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/25859/? Download, and run. Use the application only if you know what you are doing. Usually used by mod creators to find out if their mods have dirty edits, you can use it to to alternatively fix some old dirty mods. For "simple" mod cleaning: 1. In the master/plugin selction, right click and select none. 2. Use LOOT, and check which mods have dirty edits *SELECT ONLY THE MODS THAT ARE DIRTY*. 3. Right-click where the form ids are, and click "Apply Filter for Cleaning" 4. Afterwords, right-click again and click on Undelete and Disable References Remove "Identical to Masters" Records A.K.A. UDR records and ITM Dirty edits do not always need to be cleaned, usually LOOT automatically sets load orders to work perfectly. However, mods with many dirty edits are mods that cause the most crashes. Project Stability: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/32363/? Ini Tweaks and other stability fixes. Useful walkthrough(not a mod!). A huge source for this guide. ENB: http://wiki.step-pro...ab=Introduction A helpful guide for ENB! Graphics enhancing mods typically don't need that much troubleshooting, and the step by step guide is there. Usually, it's just like installing an ordinary mod but if you have any graphical issues, check that guide. Use this link to get good mods. Sorted by endorsements(2013): http://skyrim.nexusm...earchresults//? Click on "sort by endorsed" The best mods are usually the most endorsed. Check them all out! Recommended Gameplay mods for a Vanilla like Skyrim: SkyUi, A Quality World Map, Unofficial Skyrim Patches, Fores New Idles in Skyrim(FNIS) - animations!, Ultimate Follower Overhaul or Amazing Follower Tweaks, Convenient Horses, T3nd0s Skyrim Redone - one of my personal fav gameplay overhauls!, iHUD Immersive HUD, interesting NPCs, auto-unequip ammo - well someone had to do it, glowing ore veins 300, Run for your lives, Guard dialogue overhaul, immersive patrols, better dialogue controls or better messagebox controls, Achieve that - Player created achievements that optionally give you stuff!, dual sheath redux, sounds of skyrim, SKYTEST, Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2, safety load, Inconsquetial NPCs, even better quest objectives AND SO ON! Check by most endorsed! Anything Cosmetic or texture-based: You pick! Mods to avoid(last checked 2013) ALWAYS CHECK DESCRIPTION: Claralux v2A: Last update was June 2012. Broken and no longer supported. Warzones v5B: Last update was June 2012. Broken scripts, dirty edits, and no longer supported. Imaginator v1c: Causes savegame bloat over an extended period of time. Crimson Tide-Blood v2-2: Unstable, with "cloaking" scripts. Skyboost: Outdated performance fixes Tytanis: Last update was June 2012. May be broken. Please find another overhaul. Be wary of these mods(last checked 2013): Painstakingly went through 30+ pages of most endorsed mods, all of them were not updated for legendary(1.9) edition. Very popular mods that may not be good. In italics are mods that MAY be used instead. Skyrim HD - 2K Textures: Isn't this unnecessary due to the OFFCIAL HD DLC? High resolution dlc Categorized Favorites Menu: Replaced by SKYUI v4.0 SkyUi Immersive Skyrim Thunder: old climates of tamriel High Quality 3D Map: Old A Quality World Map - With Roads Brawls Bug Patch: unneeded already in another patch unofficial skyrim patch Nude Females: ??? Old <insert other XXX mod> Main Font Replacement: in another mod skyui DSpSoB - Dual Sheath plus Shields on Back: Outdated, slower, buggy Duel Sheath Redux QDInventory - Outdated and better alternative skyui Skyrim Performance Plus: Outdated performance enhancing mod highalgo boost PISE: Outdated ASIS Deadly Combat: Outdated Duel - Combat Realism Rich Merchants: WAAAAAY Outdated. superseded by many mods economics of skyrim Faster Mining: outdated and somewhat broken Populated Cities: Haven't been updated in a long time, broken Inconsquetial NPCs Better Followers: Outdated any up-to date follower mod Dungeon Quest Awareness: Doesn't work with dawnguard or dragonborn Even Better Quest Objectives KenMOD - Skip Bethesda intro: already done by Skyrim Configurator Uncapped Perks - Outdated Skyrim -Community- Uncapper Immersive Armors for NPCs v2 - Outdated Immersive armor Brawl Bug Plugin - Superceded Patch updates Dynamic Merchants - Outdated Economics of skyrim Legendary Smithing Upgrades - Outdated skyrim redone etc. Arrowsmith - Reupload - Outdated skyrim redone etc. Faster Horses - Outdated Convenient Horses Werewolf Perks Expanded - Dawnguard: Dirty Edits, outdated Another Werewolf overhaul mod 100x Your Carry Weight - or 10x or 25x - Outdated, may not work anymore. BYOG Skyrim Universal 4GB Memory Patch - Outdated, already patched. unofficial patches PerkUP - Ultimate Perk Mod - Outdated Skyrim redone etc. Hypothermia - Outdated Frostfall Same Walk and Run Speeds - Outdated Midas Magic: Unsupported/abandoned. there is a Sharlikrans Compatibility Patch Better Magic Better Sorting: No longer supported however, there is a Sharlikrans Compatibility Patch Smithing Perks Overhaul: No longer supported, there is a sharlikrans compatibility patch. Lost Art of the Blacksmith: No longer supported, there is a sharlikrans compatibility patch. Vals Crafting Meltdown: no longer supported, there is a sharlikrans compatibility patch. More Craftables: no longer supported, there is a sharlikrans compatibility patch. Babette's Feast - no longer supported, there is a sharlikrans compatibility patch. Sharlikrans Compatibility Patches: http://skyrim.nexusm...om/mods/26230/? Fixes for old mods. STEP: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/11/? Brilliant work for a better vanilla skyrim modding experience. Credit due for a lot of the mods. GEMS: http://www.skyrimgems.com/ Useful for finding great mods. Having "G.E.M.S." means this mod is really good and updated. and... i'm done (AGAIN! dejavu)

Fnis is an 3rd party application that you need to run. It's outside of skyrim and fixes animations It's called "generate fnis for users" since you downloaded the mod fnis, it should be in your skyrim folder. Run the application and allow it to patch

Have you used "generate fnis for users"? It's an application not a mod. It should be in your skyrim folder. It fixes all animations

1. Requiem should work with all dlc, it's been updated in April and according to comments: no problems. 2. Mod organizer is pretty useful. Go ahead and use it. 3. Brawls bug patch is already fixed in unofficial skyrim patch, I found out using BOSS. Go ahead and get BOSS. Hialgoboost is all you need. also most other "performance enhancing mods" are old, and most like skyboost have already been patched by bethesda. so no need to download that. Also here's a downloads and do not download mods list. http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1015916-ultimate-skyrim-nexus-mod-management-guide/ 4. There's no guarantee on save games, since nmm uninstalls in the same way, mo does. MO is still very useful, cuz of the multiple save game profiles. There is a save game cleaner, might work, might not, go try it out(check the forum link post I put up there)

Odd, I never had this issue. The moth priest becomes hostile, and you have to fight him. After fighting him and "killing" him he becomes non hostile and the scene runs. Um, you did do that right?

@trisamid I haven't used MO: but your statements are misleading. If you screw up your save game, it screws up, and usually cause of mods(doesnt matter what "setup" you have, scripts could still stay in game even after uninstallation.) either way, multiple save game profiles are awesome and just on that I would recommend it. I would also recommend skyre. It's ridiculously good for the better vanilla experience. Requiem for the hardcore game experience I guess.

Hey before you overclock your gpu, there is a mod alternative. Hialgoboost http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/15123/? Improves gpu and framerate. Just read the description. Safer for your computer too.

@guarfighter I recommend getting skse and skyui. Its a very good mod for inventory and favorites menu overhaul. Also hialgoboost. Read the installation: it's not through nmm. Performance booster if you get more mods. You can prolly put higher graphics settings on your pc afterwords without lag. Skyrim configurator, for configuring skyrim without a launcher(and more detailed changes)

@lordmonkus Imaginator doesn't really have an alternative, its one of a kind. it hasn't been updated in over a year(so there might be a few bugs). However It's such a simple not really scripted mod that it shouldn't be a problem, and the mod author hasn't completely given it up(updated the page recently). So, if you haven't had problems with it, keep using it. It'll probably be fine

@GrandBulwark check the mcm for sky ui. You can change fonts there. A high quality 3d map hasn't been updated in a while, so not sure if it works perfectly. @shubal no problem, I ran into some mod issues too, found out that some mods don't like to play nice xD @grimybunyip, deadly combat hasn't been updated since August 2012. That's a huge warning sign, and the guy who created it apparently broke both his legs, so he won't be fixing any bugs. (Read the main page) That was before dragonborn even came out at version 1.7. Who knows how many bugs could've piled up since then?

Nope, it definitely does not speed things up, I would know, I was looking up ini tweaks thinking those allocations were for the game itself, not realizing it was just for papyrus scripts :smile: Well, mods like skse versions of dual wield parrying and tk dodge were still a little slow, and in addition to that, my game kept crashing. The problem here is, what I could do in mods like dwp I can do in vanilla, parrying, and well, vanilla is of course responsive. HOWEVER, the entire reason a lot of us needs mods like dwp, is written all over it's name, "dual wield parrying", and tk dodge is also very useful. I'm not quite sure... I've tried it, and some mods i had issues with i.e. hunterborn definitely sped things up. According to this page: http://www.creationkit.com/Papyrus_Introduction#What_is_Papyrus.3F "Papyrus is the scripting language used to make Skyrim." Correct me if i'm wrong, doesn't that speed up most if not every script?

Sorry wrong forum

Isn't UNP simply clothes for the unp body, not UNPetite? If i'm not mistaken UNP body and UNPetite body is different. Also, do you have skse?