Raiden60

Installed crash fixes, set all the parameters after trial and error, all lead to CTD on save. If I start a new game and save then, it doesn't crash even when waiting for a long period of time but ANY save games crash when I try to save now. Idk what to do really. FNIS shows no errors and I'd really f*#@ing hate to start the whole thing over again, and if I did, I'm gonna need a mod list that is concrete and will DEFINITELY work. If that's the case and I need a new mod list, what would you recommend?

Tried everything you mentioned to no avail. God this pisses me off so much

Thanks for the reply, and for each of your inquiries/points: 1: You mean deleting orphan scripts and null instances, right? Save game scalpel seems like the go-to thing for that. But yeah, after the catastrophe with the last game I had I decided to keep my mod list relatively static. 2: I tried disabling and re-enabling to see what effect it had. Not much (or any) change, still crashes after an allotted period of time(~60sec), or multiple saves 3: Which patches? I've installed the update, if that's what you mean, I think it replaces one of the .esp/.esms, but I DID forget to add this in my old instance of Skyrim. 4: I'll get right on this. I usually use LOOT to automatically sort my load order, and think nothing of it, but I will definitely change my load order to this and report the effects. EDIT: Ignore the 3rd point, I just saw the patches and I'm gonna install them now.

I've tried EVERYTHING to resolve this issue. Looked on the internet for probably over a month for a solution, started new games, reinstalled the game, started COMPLETELY afresh, but with a very similar mod list, so I assume some of these are conflicting, causing issues. Problem is, I simply cannot pinpoint the issue. I initially thought it was save corruption, as the 'player.kill' method for solving this was working, and this was quite a while ago on my old save, which I assume is now completely lost due to many reasons. At any rate, the issue that caused me to abandon my old save game has arisen again all of a sudden, and I really mean like, out of the blue, I didn't change anything, and reverting to older saves doesn't rectify the problem. Something must have changed in the game files. At least, that's the only way I can make sense of this. Old load order: http://pastebin.com/W2KszxFk New load order: http://pastebin.com/rPK4ThDB On my new load order, the hdtHighHeels.esm won't activate, probably because I was farting around with it trying to fix this issue (someone said that uninstalling this solved the problem for them. Obviously it didn't with me). Regardless, this .esm is present on the old load order so it's likely not the cause. Anyone got any idea? This is irritating beyond belief, and if I have to start a new game again with a COMPLETELY different load order, I'm gonna sacrifice a goat to Barry the Bee. If you need any files uploading, please notify me.

Bump. Problem still not solved and experiencing issues on new save, such as CTD at Whiterun Stables (I assume that's to do with ETaC)

Ok, here is my latest Papyrus log. Short because I saved to test that it still crashed. Yep. https://mega.nz/#!RQMkDQIY!4kO3CwTWyLxkmcpA2iVVhb_K_-byx1kfZN8Ax78hKus

So, this has been a problem for quite a while now. I used to be able to solve the CTD on save issue by using the old save, player.kill, new save, player.kill method, but now that only works for the first save. I'm not wholly sure what causes it, but I think the game is unable to save manual saves properly. I suspect this as: 1. If I load an incremental save (autosave manager), I can manually save the game. 2. If I try to save after this, the game crashes. 3. I can sometimes save repetedly, but as soon as I leave the game and try to save again, it crashes on save. 3. The game will crash if I save the game after loading a (recent) manual save 4. If I clean a manual save by removing orphan scripts, I can then load and save in that instance, but if I try to save again I will crash. So, this is quite bizarre. I can't really do anything as the game crashes as soon as I save by travel. I realise that my save game is pretty far gone and I'll probably need to start afresh, I'm kinda prepared for that in terms of keeping up to date with levelling, weapons, etc... But I don't want to start a new game until I can identify the problem and deduce what is causing the corruptions. This is what I have done so far as to try and solve this problem (using this as a guide http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/846944689806896570/#c846944689808330265) 1. Uninstalled the game from steam. Deleted the whole Skyrim folder and reinstalled. Then reinstalled my mods and the DLC as well as downloaded subscribed mods on the workshop (this whole step seemed to actually reduce some script lag I had) 2. Cleaned every single .esp for ITMs and undelete and disable references (TESVEdit) 3. Zeroed the Papyrus section to ensure it is not a script issue. 4. Modified ENB parameters to try and reduce crashes. 5. Cleaned the saves with both Save Game Script Cleaner, PDTWrapper (Save game scalpel) and a save cleaner that removes a certain formID (0001AC0C) 6. HOURS of research trying to find a solution. In any case, I have my WHOLE skyrim folder (the old one) zipped and if anyone wants to see it, I can probably upload it to MEGA, but I'd really rather not. But I'll just upload a zip of my enb inis, Skyrim.ini, SkyrimPrefs.ini and anything else I can find. Ah, there is an interesting point I should mention. I uninstalled the ReAnimate mod (can't remember why) but regardless there are still scripts appearing for the ReAnimate mod. I know I said it probably isn't a script issue but at any rate, because of this anomaly, I will also include my Papyrus logs. Well, this is a bit unfortunate, but I disabled the Papyrus logging to reduce script latency. So, I'll get right on that. I'll include the Papyrus parameters that I have at the moment, however. Also, XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect usually has a lot of seemingly stuck threads when I analyse the savegame in PDTWrapper: 30 threads ( OnObjectEquipped) were created by one single instance with ID 1159214320#Self: 1159214320, which belongs to class XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect#Class: XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect from XPMSE#Resource: XPMSE. This looks suspicious. Please, ensure that these threads are not stuck. You can play a bit and check if these threads are finished or not. Note: the engine was executing the following instruction at the moment of writing the savegame (is this instruction stuck or it just needs some time to finish?):I2: call<method> Restyle, self, NoneVar, 0; 30 threads is quite common, but it is sometimes more. Usually another instance will throw another 25 or something. Oh, and here's my load order. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 Campfire.esm 7 7 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 8 8 Inn Girls Resources.esm 9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 10 a ApachiiHairFemales.esm 11 b ApachiiHairMales.esm 12 c ApachiiHair.esm 13 d hdtHighHeel.esm 14 e JSwords.esm 15 f dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp 16 10 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 17 11 ETaC - Complete.esp 18 12 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp 19 13 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 20 14 lordship.esp 21 15 NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp 22 16 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp 23 17 KS Hairdo's.esp 24 18 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Immersive Wenches.esp 25 19 OBIS.esp 26 1a Immersive Whiterun.esp 27 1b Immersive Solstheim.esp 28 1c iHUD.esp 29 1d XPMSE.esp 30 1e Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp 31 1f ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp 32 20 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp 33 21 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 34 22 Convenient Horses.esp 35 23 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 36 24 SkyUI.esp 37 25 RaceMenu.esp 38 26 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 39 27 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 40 28 Clanking Armor.esp 41 29 FNISSexyMove.esp 42 2a VioLens.esp 43 2b FNIS_PCEA2.esp 44 2c ArshesNeiBikini.esp 45 2d Zipsuit.esp 46 2e UIExtensions.esp 47 2f AddItemMenu2.esp 48 30 Dark Ebony Valkyrie Armor.esp 49 31 N7 Metroid Armor.esp 50 32 imp_helm_legend.esp 51 33 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 52 34 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 53 35 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 54 36 NK_EyeCusomizationOverhaul.esp 55 37 Facelight.esp 56 38 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 57 39 SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp 58 3a BrawlSkip.esp 59 3b OCR-Fixes.esp 60 3c Dr_Bandolier.esp 61 3d Ballet Boots.esp 62 3e Bikini-MTM.esp 63 3f FNIS.esp 64 40 Dual Sheath Redux.esp 65 41 Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp 66 42 LeftHandRings.esp 67 43 LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp 68 44 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 69 45 Inconsequential NPCs.esp 70 46 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp 71 47 Cloaks.esp 72 48 BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp 73 49 SMIM-Merged-NoDragonborn.esp 74 4a Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp 75 4b ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 76 4c lightweight potions and poisons.esp 77 4d Shout-tastic_no CD.esp 78 4e Immersive Patrols II.esp 79 4f ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp 80 50 New Hand to Hand Skill by Budcat.esp 81 51 CaranthirTowerReborn.esp 82 52 Osare Underwear.esp 83 53 Akhaziir.esp 84 54 Extended Slider Colors.esp 85 55 WetandCold.esp 86 56 Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp 87 57 arodsinventorycontrol.esp 88 58 Frostfall.esp 89 59 CiFRPG.esp 90 5a Phenderix Tool - Teleports.esp 91 5b Killable Children.esp 92 5c Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp 93 5d Midas Magic Expanded.esp 94 5e TrissArmorRetextured.esp 95 5f Phenderix Tool - Spell Edit.esp 96 60 Sweet&Sexy Lingerie.esp 97 61 dragonpriestmaskquestmarkers.esp 98 62 Sneak Tools.esp 99 63 Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp100 64 TallonOverworld.esp101 65 iNeed.esp102 66 FalkreathSkyscraper.esp103 67 My Home Is Your Home.esp104 68 GypsyEyesCaravan.V.2.esp105 69 Commonwealth Shorts.esp106 6a iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp107 6b WKBendTime.esp108 6c ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp109 6d Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp110 6e Shiny Catsuits.esp111 6f Equipping Overhaul.esp112 70 Neo's Selene.esp113 71 dovahkiinrelax.esp114 72 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp115 73 LayerBikini.esp116 74 Differently Ebony.esp117 75 Breast Size Scaling for NPCs.esp118 76 AchieveThat.esp119 77 wdUI.esp120 78 vAutosaveManager.esp121 79 NoDisarm.esp122 7a DeadlySpellImpacts.esp123 7b CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp124 7c OBISDB.esp125 7d Ghosu - Project Flintlock - Ammo Addon.esp126 7e WeaponsOfTheShogunate.esp127 7f LostLongSwords.esp Footprints.esp purewaters.esp128 80 barenziahquestmarkers.esp129 81 MainMenuReplacer.esp130 82 NpcDeathAlertSLAE.esp131 83 arodalchemyanalyzer.esp132 84 arodsinventorycontrol_dlc_hf.esp133 85 arodsinventorycontrol_dlc_db.esp134 86 arodsinventorycontrol_dlc_dg.esp135 87 [ENG]No Weight for Ingots and Ores.esp136 88 dD - Easy Lift Bodies and Objects.esp137 89 AlmostEveryoneIsAnAdventurer.esp138 8a No NPC Greetings.esp139 8b BetterFreeCamera.esp140 8c Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp141 8d Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp142 8e chargenexport.esp143 8f Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp144 90 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp Sorted by LOOT Like I said, I'm using ENB, specifically V0.308 w/ Sharpshooter ENB V5.5, both of which are not included in the load order. Here's a link to a ZIP containing my most recent saves: https://mega.nz/#!Vcly2RBS!DzG1mx-Ram7W2SByYSyPBsnpdLxvkHxy6nUuCirragc And here is the ZIP containing the ENB and Skyrim INIs:

I started experiencing a really sudden save problem, where the game would take a full minute to save. Since this happens every fast travel, it's pretty awful. It's any save too. I have encountered this issue before and I used to be able to rectify this problem by using autosave manager, and using incremental saves instead of autosaves. But now even this doesn't work. I had a look in my skse save files and there are a lot of repeated instances. Not sure if this is normal or not. But if it isn't, how can I clean it? Or is it unsalvageable? I've also tried emptying the save folder. And the Papyrus Script Scalpel doesn't detect any script problems. https://mega.nz/#!sQExwTBC!VvrpTvLFftj0GFGN_VlsABy32lXZeGLJufHFtE7n2Eo is a link to the save files.

Thanks. After a little experimentation, it seems it's only the Caranthir Tower dorm where this particular crash occurs. My suspicion is that there is something absent that I need to build, so I'll try that, and if that doesn't work, I will check the CTD in cell link.

So this has been happening since yesterday. I went into Caranthir Tower dormitory (CTR) with Serana because of fatigue from the iNeed mod. As soon as I loaded in, I crashed. I then loaded in again and after about a minute, crash. I'm about to zero the papyrus section of the file to verify that it is not a script problem, but I don't think it is because last scripts mentioned do have any rhyme or reason. Apart from the equipping overhaul one, but either way the time isn't even close to the crash. Here is my load order(146 mods): 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 ApachiiHair.esm 7 7 Campfire.esm 8 8 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 9 9 hdtHighHeel.esm 10 a JSwords.esm 11 b ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 12 c ApachiiHairMales.esm 13 d ApachiiHairFemales.esm 14 e SkyUI.esp 15 f iHUD.esp 16 10 XPMSE.esp 17 11 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp 18 12 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 19 13 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 20 14 ETaC - Complete.esp 21 15 NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp 22 16 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp 23 17 Realistic Lighting.esp 24 18 Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp 25 19 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp 26 1a ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 27 1b WetandCold.esp 28 1c Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 29 1d Clanking Armor.esp 30 1e AchieveThat.esp 31 1f KS Hairdo's.esp 32 20 OBIS.esp 33 21 Immersive Whiterun.esp 34 22 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 35 23 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 36 24 lightweight potions and poisons.esp 37 25 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 38 26 Immersive Solstheim.esp 39 27 Killable Children.esp 40 28 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 41 29 Dr_Bandolier.esp 42 2a FNIS.esp 43 2b RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 44 2c Dual Sheath Redux.esp 45 2d RaceMenu.esp 46 2e RaceMenuPlugin.esp 47 2f HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp 48 30 Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0 non glow.esp 49 31 barenziahquestmarkers.esp 50 32 N7 Metroid Armor.esp 51 33 Convenient Horses.esp 52 34 OCR-Fixes.esp 53 35 BrawlSkip.esp 54 36 Breast Size Scaling for NPCs.esp 55 37 No NPC Greetings.esp 56 38 NoDisarm.esp 57 39 CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp 58 3a FNISSexyMove.esp 59 3b Bikini-MTM.esp 60 3c SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp 61 3d WeaponsOfTheShogunate.esp 62 3e LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp 63 3f chargenexport.esp 64 40 Differently Ebony.esp 65 41 Dark Ebony Valkyrie Armor.esp 66 42 WKBendTime.esp 67 43 Zipsuit.esp 68 44 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 69 45 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 70 46 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 71 47 Remodeled Armor.esp 72 48 Ballet Boots.esp 73 49 PlayRandomIdle.esp 74 4a UIExtensions.esp 75 4b AddItemMenu2.esp 76 4c LeftHandRings.esp 77 4d DeadlySpellImpacts.esp 78 4e ArshesNeiBikini.esp 79 4f NpcDeathAlertSLAE.esp 80 50 MainMenuReplacer.esp 81 51 VioLens.esp 82 52 Inconsequential NPCs.esp 83 53 Cloaks.esp 84 54 UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp 85 55 SMIM-Merged-NoDragonborn.esp 86 56 Shout-tastic_no CD.esp 87 57 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp 88 58 New Hand to Hand Skill by Budcat.esp 89 59 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 90 5a CaranthirTowerReborn.esp 91 5b Frostfall.esp 92 5c arodsinventorycontrol.esp 93 5d Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp 94 5e Midas Magic Expanded.esp 95 5f dragonpriestmaskquestmarkers.esp 96 60 Sweet&Sexy Lingerie.esp 97 61 Sneak Tools.esp 98 62 TallonOverworld.esp 99 63 Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp100 64 iNeed.esp101 65 FalkreathSkyscraper.esp102 66 Phenderix's Magic Transcended.esp103 67 My Home Is Your Home.esp104 68 CinematicFireFX.esp105 69 ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp106 6a Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp107 6b Shiny Catsuits.esp108 6c Equipping Overhaul.esp109 6d Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp110 6e iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp111 6f Commonwealth Shorts.esp112 70 Extended Slider Colors.esp113 71 Akhaziir.esp114 72 HDT Capes.esp115 73 TrissArmorRetextured.esp116 74 GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp117 75 Neo's Selene.esp118 76 dovahkiinrelax.esp119 77 AlmostEveryoneIsAnAdventurer.esp120 78 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp121 79 UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp122 7a imp_helm_legend.esp123 7b Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp124 7c Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp125 7d Ghosu - Project Flintlock - Ammo Addon.esp126 7e LostLongSwords.esp127 7f wdUI.esp128 80 Withe01_GunArtsRifle_AC.esp129 81 arodalchemyanalyzer.esp130 82 arodsinventorycontrol_dlc_db.esp131 83 arodsinventorycontrol_dlc_dg.esp132 84 arodsinventorycontrol_dlc_hf.esp133 85 [ENG]No Weight for Ingots and Ores.esp134 86 LayerBikini.esp135 87 Osare Underwear.esp136 88 vAutosaveManager.esp137 89 Facelight.esp138 8a Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp139 8b ReAnimate.esp140 8c LWPlayerHeadTracking.esp141 8d Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp142 8e AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp Load order is sorted by LOOT, apart from AFT which is last due to apparent conflicts. Speaking of conflicts, I apparently have a lot, according to TES5Edit. The list goes on. I realise that this is most likely causing problems, but is there a faster way of patching this rather than the usual method? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEbW1Eqbus this is what I thought the usual method is) Also, some of my plugins are orange in Wrye Bash. Is this an actual problem? I did run the bashed patch but there was no change. Furthermore, I have checked memory block, all normal(512/256). The log doesn't end at the block size. I've even increased skse.ini memory allocation above normal(1024/512) to see if that would fix the problem. Instead, it just crashes on the splash. I've also enabled diagnostics in skse.ini, although I'm not sure how to access that. Can anyone tell me how to access it? Also, I've tried starting a new game, but, uh... the results were messy. There was a lot of neighing, we were all levitating, and I think the headsman was watching us from the hill. Weird. Oh, and that reminds me, I do have ENB and the FPS is locked at 60. I know some weird s*** can happen at high frame rates. But I checked. The game didn't actually crash, perhaps I should wait until the travel is finished. Or even better, load an older save. I don't know why that has never occured to me. BUT. Quite obvious that there is still a problem. I recently fixed (Well worked around) a saving problem. It would take a long time to autosave, but not to manual save. That's what Autosave Manager is for. Anyway, I'll wipe the Papyrus section now, and then when it crashes I'll load an older save. Oh, and also I installed Skyrim Performance Monitor, no useful data, I think. I'll attach my most useful papyrus log, the rest are too short to be useful. But like I say, the problem probably isn't scripts. I'll also include the enblocal.ini and enbseries.ini as well as skse.ini, skyrim.ini and the memory blocks log.