CaiMcLean

I'm having a different problem again (so many problems with this quest) I got back to Jorvaskr, followed Vilkas, finished the ceremony thing but now everyone just stands there instead of going about their normal business & suddenly I can't move or jump or unsheath weapons or access my faves menu or the skills/items/map/magic menu, or do anything at all except pan the camera around & go into the menu for quest/general stats/systems

Oh finally no more purple! Postal001 you are a life saver :smile: http://www.nodiatis.com/pub/23.jpg

Ok so I'm doing a Bosmer playthrough & I decided to have as little wooden furniture in my house as possible just as a challenge to see how far I can get. I'm mostly achieving this by raiding Dwemer/Nordic ruins via Jaxonz Positioner but some things like book shelves for example seem to be either wood or nothing so I was wondering if anyone could do a little retex-ing for me? Cheers CM

Oh I agree 100% with everything you said..uh typed, (the lumberjack hookers idea was a particularly interesting concept, I wonder if that's what prompted Faendal & Gwilin's move to Skyrim, I also noticed that for being from a race of people who don't ingest any form of plant life, there's a curious amount of vegetables growing in Faendal's garden.) but I wasn't looking to make an 'ultra lore-friendly' play-through or anything like that, it'd be totally impossible. It was more along the lines of 'can it be done? & if so how far could you take it?' as regards to furniture only. I definitely think the Green Pact is a ridiculous religion to be following, considering all the restrictions it effectively puts on...well practically everything. There are several actual religions that have dietary restrictions associated with them, some of which were understandable at the time they were placed, if not any more, but some I find to be just strange. For example some religions forbid the consumption of any pig meat like bacon, ham, pork etc. & at least one that I know of, also forbids the consumption of any form of shellfish. But at the time of these rules being introduced it was more a matter of public health & safety regulation than just a "god (or Y'ffre in Bosmer's case) says you can't." kinda deal, as then there were a lot more kinds of diseases running rife that could easily be transferred from pigs to humans & the average person collecting shellfish at a beach probably couldn't tell some of the good, safe shellfish from the poisonous kinds, so it basically boiled down to a case of "don't eat this, you'll live longer." which was perfectly logical at the time, but now in most countries you can go to the supermarket safe in the knowledge that the...I dunno say... mussels you bought actually WERE mussels, so it's not as necessary a rule as it once was, & the same with the pigs. But some of the other religious dietary restrictions are just...weird, like some very devout Catholics refuse to eat red meat on Fridays...ONLY on Fridays! the rest of the week they could be so carnivorous they put all Bosmer to shame, but not Fridays, mustn't do that, oh no! that's pescatarian day, my book says so! There is no possible logical explanation for this, but at least it only effects their diet & only in a small way, it's kinda like a reverse cheat-day, nothing as hugely lifestyle changing or...is 'oppressive' the right word?...to almost everything they can do with, say architecture to name a major thing. No I find the idea of strict adherence to something as restrictive & universally limiting as the Green Pact to be puerile stupidity, but for something as simple yet essential as basic furniture, it begs the question of "How would it work?" Leading to the submission of this request. Apparently I'm just too curious for my own damn good. :D

Ok so we know Wood Elves don't like cutting down their trees or making anything out of wood unless absolutely necessary right? Especially things they can easily make from something else. They *can* use timber as long as it's sourced from outside of Valenwood BUT they spend their whole lives avoiding the use of wood in general unless required for something important like bows (& even then, they outsource it), & well, old habits die hard. Which brings us of the Bosmerically inclined in Skyrim to a problem, specifically with the furniture...like ALL the furniture. I never realized how many things in Skyrim were made with wood or plant based materials until I actively went looking for things that WEREN'T. Even if I were to go on an...'appropriating spree' with Jaxonz Positioner (and can I just say Hell Yes for that mod? if I could endorse it more than once I'd have done it a dozen times over by now) all through High Hrothgar, Ravenrock, Markarth & every Nordic & Dwemer ruin ever, I'd still be inundated with wooden furniture, hence this request. Pretty pretty please will someone make a mod that provides furniture that's made of something else? ANYTHING else? Vanilla resources can be used to replace some things, the problem is things like smaller tables, drawers, cupboards, wardrobes, shelves etc where you have 2 choices: wooden furniture, or empty house. So umm...help? please? Cheers CM

ugh I've added the contents of this comment to the original post, so how do I get rid of this comment? I can edit it but where's the delete button?

Does anyone know of a retex for Lakeview Manor that just turns it from a wooden building to a stone one without adding all kinds of other stuff to it? I'd do it myself if I had any idea how, but sadly when it comes to making mods I know so much nothing I make Jon Snow look like a walking encyclopedia :sad: Or if someone could possibly just direct me towards a youtube video or website with comprehensive instructions that would be awesome, I've been looking for one but haven't found anything as of yet. Cheers CM

Haven't tried starting a new playthrough yet, also haven't removed anything that I can recall & I've only added a couple of cloak mods & 1 that adds a few shrines for Aedra/Daedra that you can add to your campsite. I also ran WryeBash, good news: I can actually start the game more often than not. Bad news: I now seem to get more frequent CTDs in-game. Can't have everything I guess. Thanks anyway CM

Hi guys, I need a bit of help from someone, I can't even start my Skyrim anymore *cries* I open the game, press continue, it shows the loading screen for a while then just crashes :( pretty sure it's a load order problem or maybe a conflict somewhere, there's no missing masters warnings, I've ran LOOT several times but can't seem to find anything. Help please? Here's my load order. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm 7 7 Campfire.esm 8 8 WM Flora Fixes.esp 9 9 VHVP.esm 10 a ETaC - RESOURCES.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp 11 b SkyUI.esp 12 c LeftHandRings_1stPersonView.esp 13 d NpcDeathAlert.esp 14 e Footprints.esp 15 f UnreadBooksGlow.esp 16 10 UIExtensions.esp 17 11 RaceMenu.esp 18 12 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 19 13 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 20 14 AMatterOfTime.esp 21 15 NARC.esp 22 16 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 23 17 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 24 18 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 25 19 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 26 1a Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp 27 1b ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp 28 1c Differently Ebony.esp 29 1d Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 30 1e Glass Variants.esp 31 1f ETaC - Rorikstead.esp 32 20 Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp 33 21 RealShelter.esp 34 22 BirdsHF.esp 35 23 Birdsofskyrim.esp 36 24 skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp 37 25 Artifact Disenchanting.esp 38 26 Immersive Whiterun.esp 39 27 Immersive Solstheim.esp 40 28 DivineCloaks.esp 41 29 milkingthecows.esp 42 2a Skyrim Unbound.esp 43 2b Hunting in Skyrim.esp 44 2c daedric weapons alt version.esp 45 2d JaxonzEnhGrab.esp 46 2e Campfire Addendum.esp 47 2f Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 48 30 Socially Alert Guards (Guard Dialogue Tweaks).esp 49 31 Point The Way.esp 50 32 Beards.esp 51 33 CACO_USLEEP_Patch.esp 52 34 casual_skyrim.esp 53 35 lanterns.esp 54 36 ShutUpBoutDawnguard.esp 55 37 WetandCold.esp 56 38 WetandCold - Ashes.esp 57 39 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 58 3a GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp 59 3b Fortify Enchanting necklace.esp 60 3c CeltickAlchemyLab.esp 61 3d DrinkingGivesYourBottles.esp 62 3e lighterdbs.esp 63 3f wizDynamicThings.esp 64 40 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp 65 41 SimplyKnock.esp 66 42 Convenient Horses.esp 67 43 One With Nature - DG+DB.esp 68 44 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 69 45 HOPv - Horses On Patrol - Vanilla.esp 70 46 Run For Your Lives.esp 71 47 Cloaks.esp 72 48 Hunterborn.esp 73 49 Immersive Patrols II.esp 74 4a DaedricCloaks.esp 75 4b Dr_Bandolier.esp 76 4c D13ShoutToSpeech.esp 77 4d Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp 78 4e Hunterborn Campfire Patch.esp 79 4f Frostfall.esp 80 50 Signs_of_Skyrim.esp 81 51 DigUpDragonBones.esp 82 52 DLCIntegration.esp 83 53 draugrweap_repl_en.esp 84 54 Campfire Shrines.esp 85 55 Tentapalooza.esp 86 56 LeftHandRings.esp 87 57 Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp 88 58 Drunken Huntsman Redone.esp 89 59 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Lite.esp 90 5a Cloaks - USLEEP Patch.esp 91 5b WellsOfSkyrim.esp 92 5c PerkusMaximus_Master.esp 93 5d Pre PaMa WAFR CCOR Patch.esp 94 5e PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp 95 5f PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp 96 60 imp_helm_legend.esp 97 61 DragonbornDisenchanting.esp 98 62 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 99 63 Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp100 64 FaelCampingStuff.esp101 65 Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp102 66 Hunterborn Jerky Recipes.esp103 67 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp104 68 Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp105 69 ScrimshawExpanded.esp106 6a ScrimshawExpandedLeveledLists.esp107 6b Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp108 6c ZZNoLeavesv1.2.esp109 6d hired thugs if detected.esp110 6e SuperSleeves.esp111 6f LPBards.esp RSPatch.esp112 70 JaxonzRenamer.esp113 71 silvercraft.esp114 72 Bounty Gold.esp115 73 PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp116 74 FluffusMinimus_Legendaryish.esp117 75 Perks Unbound - Merged.esp118 76 Abundant Enchantments.esp119 77 disenchantment_font.esp120 78 Enchanting Pagan Table.esp121 79 iNeed.esp122 7a Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp123 7b FormsEdit.esp124 7c CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp125 7d Shoo_SummonBlacksmith.esp126 7e Weapons & Armor_FasterArrows.esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp127 7f 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp128 80 Open Face Guard Helmets.esp129 81 PerMa-CACO.esp130 82 PerMa-Hunterborn.esp131 83 PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp132 84 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-NoGuards.esp133 85 Infinite Gold For Merchants.esp134 86 PatchusMaximus.esp Please help so I can play instead of watching re-runs of House? Cheers CM

I open the game, press continue, it shows the loading screen for a while then just crashes :sad: pretty sure it's a load order problem, there's no missing masters warnings, I've ran LOOT several times but can't seem to find anything. Help please? Here's my load order. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm 7 7 Campfire.esm 8 8 WM Flora Fixes.esp 9 9 VHVP.esm 10 a ETaC - RESOURCES.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp 11 b SkyUI.esp 12 c LeftHandRings_1stPersonView.esp khajiit race balance.esp 13 d NpcDeathAlert.esp PedssMannequinsFMKhajiit.esp 14 e Footprints.esp 15 f UnreadBooksGlow.esp 16 10 UIExtensions.esp 17 11 RaceMenu.esp 18 12 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 19 13 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 20 14 AMatterOfTime.esp 21 15 NARC.esp 22 16 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 23 17 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 24 18 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 25 19 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 26 1a Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp 27 1b ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp 28 1c Differently Ebony.esp 29 1d Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 30 1e Glass Variants.esp 31 1f ETaC - Rorikstead.esp 32 20 Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp 33 21 RealShelter.esp 34 22 BirdsHF.esp 35 23 Birdsofskyrim.esp 36 24 skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp 37 25 Artifact Disenchanting.esp 38 26 Immersive Whiterun.esp 39 27 Immersive Solstheim.esp 40 28 DivineCloaks.esp 41 29 milkingthecows.esp 42 2a Skyrim Unbound.esp 43 2b Hunting in Skyrim.esp Honeyside Ratway Tunnnel.esp 44 2c daedric weapons alt version.esp 45 2d JaxonzEnhGrab.esp 46 2e Campfire Addendum.esp 47 2f Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 48 30 Socially Alert Guards (Guard Dialogue Tweaks).esp 49 31 Point The Way.esp 50 32 Beards.esp 51 33 CACO_USLEEP_Patch.esp 52 34 casual_skyrim.esp 53 35 lanterns.esp 54 36 ShutUpBoutDawnguard.esp 55 37 WetandCold.esp 56 38 WetandCold - Ashes.esp 57 39 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 58 3a GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp 59 3b Fortify Enchanting necklace.esp 60 3c CeltickAlchemyLab.esp 61 3d DrinkingGivesYourBottles.esp 62 3e lighterdbs.esp 63 3f wizDynamicThings.esp 64 40 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp 65 41 SimplyKnock.esp 66 42 Convenient Horses.esp 67 43 One With Nature - DG+DB.esp 68 44 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 69 45 HOPv - Horses On Patrol - Vanilla.esp 70 46 Run For Your Lives.esp 71 47 Cloaks.esp ranger's valley lodge.esp 72 48 Hunterborn.esp 73 49 Immersive Patrols II.esp 74 4a DaedricCloaks.esp 75 4b Dr_Bandolier.esp 76 4c D13ShoutToSpeech.esp 77 4d Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp 78 4e Hunterborn Campfire Patch.esp 79 4f Frostfall.esp 80 50 Signs_of_Skyrim.esp 81 51 DigUpDragonBones.esp 82 52 DLCIntegration.esp 83 53 draugrweap_repl_en.esp 84 54 Campfire Shrines.esp 85 55 Tentapalooza.esp 86 56 LeftHandRings.esp 87 57 Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp 88 58 Drunken Huntsman Redone.esp 89 59 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Lite.esp riften hideout.esp 90 5a Cloaks - USLEEP Patch.esp 91 5b WellsOfSkyrim.esp thieves hideout.esp masterthievesden.esp 92 5c PerkusMaximus_Master.esp 93 5d Pre PaMa WAFR CCOR Patch.esp 94 5e PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp 95 5f PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp 96 60 imp_helm_legend.esp 97 61 DragonbornDisenchanting.esp 98 62 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 99 63 Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp100 64 FaelCampingStuff.esp101 65 Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp102 66 Hunterborn Jerky Recipes.esp103 67 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp104 68 Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp105 69 ScrimshawExpanded.esp106 6a ScrimshawExpandedLeveledLists.esp107 6b Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp108 6c ZZNoLeavesv1.2.esp109 6d hired thugs if detected.esp110 6e SuperSleeves.esp111 6f LPBards.esp RSPatch.esp112 70 JaxonzRenamer.esp113 71 silvercraft.esp114 72 Bounty Gold.esp115 73 PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp116 74 FluffusMinimus_Legendaryish.esp117 75 Perks Unbound - Merged.esp118 76 Abundant Enchantments.esp119 77 disenchantment_font.esp120 78 Enchanting Pagan Table.esp121 79 iNeed.esp122 7a Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp123 7b FormsEdit.esp124 7c CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp125 7d Shoo_SummonBlacksmith.esp126 7e Infinite Gold For Merchants.esp127 7f Weapons & Armor_FasterArrows.esp128 80 1nivWICCloaks.esp129 81 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp130 82 Open Face Guard Helmets.esp131 83 PerMa-CACO.esp132 84 PerMa-Hunterborn.esp133 85 PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp134 86 PatchusMaximus.esp Thanks in advance CM

Here's my load order, it's not near finished yes because I had to start fresh & download everything again a week or 2 ago :sad: I haven't even got the Book Of Silence yet *cries* my armour is so fugly! lol 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 MFVM.esm 7 7 Night Eye Overhaul.esm 8 8 HighResTexturePack01.esp 9 9 HighResTexturePack02.esp 10 a HighResTexturePack03.esp 11 b Cutting Room Floor.esp 12 c SkyUI.esp 13 d RaceMenu.esp 14 e RaceMenuPlugin.esp 15 f Beards.esp 16 10 ZZNoLeavesv1.2.esp 17 11 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp 18 12 BetterQuestObjectives.esp 19 13 EBS - Base.esp 20 14 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 21 15 BrighterTorchesBiggerMagelight.esp 22 16 MarriedKhajiitXtras.esp 23 17 RiftenThiefEdition.esp 24 18 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 25 19 BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp 26 1a Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 27 1b Artifact Disenchanting.esp 28 1c BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp 29 1d Skyrim Unbound.esp 30 1e Honeyside Ratway Tunnnel.esp 31 1f fine goods from morrowind_gray quarter.esp 32 20 Point The Way.esp 33 21 Atlas Legendary.esp 34 22 Run For Your Lives.esp 35 23 Cloaks.esp 36 24 Blowing in the Wind.esp 37 25 ranger's valley lodge.esp 38 26 D13ShoutToSpeech.esp 39 27 Daggercross_Alley.esp 40 28 Riften Docks Pathways.esp 41 29 Signs_of_Skyrim.esp 42 2a Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp 43 2b The Scratching Post.esp 44 2c DLCIntegration.esp 45 2d openthecanal.esp 46 2e LakeviewManorNoTrees.esp 47 2f draugrweap_repl_en.esp 48 30 Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp 49 31 imp_helm_legend.esp 50 32 DragonbornDisenchanting.esp 51 33 Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp 52 34 FormsEdit.esp 53 35 Pauldrons.esp 54 36 kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers.esp 55 37 MFVM_ChildrenFight_Patch.esp 56 38 MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp 57 39 EBS - CCO Patch.esp 58 3a daedric weapons alt version.esp 59 3b khajiit race balance.esp 60 3c NpcDeathAlert.esp 61 3d PedssMannequinsKhajiit.esp 62 3e riften hideout.esp 63 3f Socially Alert Guards (Guard Dialogue Tweaks).esp 64 40 Khajiit_Eyes_Extended.esp 65 41 BlackMarketV2.esp 66 42 ajd_morekhajiit.esp 67 43 Fish Market Rustic.esp 68 44 thieves hideout.esp 69 45 PullMastry.esp 70 46 khajiitearrings.esp 71 47 jknjbTavernBrawls.esp 72 48 masterthievesden.esp 73 49 fine goods from morrowind.esp 74 4a riftenfire.esp 75 4b UnreadBooksGlow.esp 76 4c BCS - OB Patch.esp 77 4d EBS - Book Covers Patch.esp 78 4e Organized Books v2.0.esp 79 4f Book Covers Skyrim - Skill Books.esp 80 50 ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp 81 51 BCS - RALSS Patch.esp 82 52 BCS - CCOR Patch.esp 83 53 EBS - Cutting Room Floor.esp 84 54 Rapport - Same Sex Discount Perk.esp 85 55 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp 86 56 Open Face Guard Helmets.esp 87 57 sandboxcylinderheight.esp 88 58 DynamicAutoSort.esp 89 59 wizDynamicThings.esp 90 5a KhajiitSenseOfSmellEV.esp 91 5b NEO Longer Lasting Potions.esp 92 5c NEO Longer Lasting Scrolls.esp 93 5d NEO Persistent Spell.esp 94 5e NEO Tint 5.esp 95 5f Night Eye Overhaul.esp 96 60 NAZZEMTHESHAMED.esp 97 61 Fortify Enchanting Spells.esp 98 62 Fortify Enchanting necklace.esp 99 63 JaxonzLightsPlease.esp100 64 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp101 65 JaxonzRenamer.esp102 66 JaxonzOutfitter.esp103 67 JaxonzSmartLooter.esp104 68 JaxonzZoom.esp105 69 Better Horses.esp106 6a IcePenguinWorldMap.esp107 6b Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp108 6c 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp109 6d Civil War Cleanup.esp110 6e AMatterOfTime.esp111 6f disenchantjestergloves.esp112 70 disenchantment_font.esp

Ok so I have BCS & OB along with a few other mods that include something to do with books, but just those 2 don't seem to want to co-operate for some reason, I've got the patch already & I've run LOOT several times & fiddled with the order manually but obviously I must be doing something wrong because currently BCS is working but OB just refuses :sad: anyone got any ideas?

There is no possible way that sneaking should be that hard, you gotta be doing something weird. Crank up your sneak skill, get all the relevant perks (which for detection is pretty much all on the left side of the tree) & if you don't have an aversion to using magic, remember: illusion & enchanting are your friends :) invisibility & muffle spells as well as muffle & fortify sneak enchantments on every piece of armour/jewelry you can possibly stick them on! & make sure it's always LIGHT armour! or else Imperial soldiers won't be the only thing that clanks like a kitchen :D http://www.nodiatis.com/pub/11.jpg

Ok I think most bound weapon users can agree that Soul Stealer is a very useful perk, but most solid weapon users will say that if they absolutely HAD to choose between Soul Trap & Fiery Soul Trap a lot of them would go with fire either for that little bit of extra damage or possibly they just have slight pyro tendencies :smile: Which got me thinking...why can't we have Fiery Soul Stealer? If anyone can do this, You. Are. Awesome! I would try it myself but I have less than zero clue how to go about it. Hell if anyone can just give me step by step instructions on "Perk tweaking for dummies" if they don't have time to do it themselves I would be very happy.

Hi guys Anyone know the name of the mod that adds more choice of material varieties for vanilla weapons? eg. Imperial swords made of glass/orichalcum/ebony etc? it comes with books you need to read to learn the different smithing techniques to make the new weapons. All the book titles start with "Smith:" like the dwarven one is called "Smith: golden steel - on Dwemeri arms" & I think the Imperial one is called "Smith: arm of the Empire" I used to have it but I had to start my mod list over & I now I can't find it again to re-download it.