CakeeMaster

Yes that's why, FormID only shows the equipped items - weak tool Anyways, I started a new game because I removed other mods, ULs, etc. ; now I want to test if it was a random bug or a script bug, so is this the right way to test? : EDIT: I get getStage --> "20.00" or something with this method, and Lucien Lachance doesn't spawn to me UPDATE: I restarted the game, and I killed a beggar at the waterfront, I slept in the Abandoned Shacks, and guess what.. Lucien Lachance showed up with the peasant outfit.. (I didnt load your mod of course Cake-masta) prid 177d2 MoveTo Playerbtw, I remembered that I had deleted all of my saves from my first playthrough manually (not with the game interface), I just deleted the "Saves" folder, could that have caused anything with Lucien Lachance? It was simply the location of Lucien Lachance at the time (Two Sisters Inn, Skingrad) btw, your lil esp also modifies "Calc min = 1" in "ACBS Configuration", what's that for? vanilla is 0 The way you tested it on a new game was fine. As for "Calc min = 1": I edited it by accident (basically in the CS if you open an NPC's settings there is a small check box titled "PC Level Offset", it was off for Lucien, I accidentally pressed it which caused Calc min to change from 0 to the default 1. However, I disabled that check box afterwards which means the game ignores that value for Lucien anyway, so it doesn't matter.) Btw, the reason I asked you to add a picture of the lower part is that the 'referenced by' tab for Lucien Lachance in your pictures shows that the bashed patch references him in the Dark01Knife quest page. This is interesting since this means that some merged mod in your load order changes that quest somehow, in a way that references Lucien. I'm willing to bet that if you find which mod it is, you'll be able to find the source of the bug.

Actually, afaik Lucien 2fd77 and Lucien 177d2 are both present in the vanilla game, they are just used at different times in the DB quest line. Lucien 177d2 is the one which appears first (at the start of the quest line). They both use the same baseID which means they're basically the same. As for why FormID Finder won't show the Black Hand robes, as stated in the FormID Finder modpage - "If the object is an NPC/Creature with equipped inventory, the scroll will also document the information for the equipped inventory." Since the Black Hand robe is not equipped, FormID Finder doesn't include it. I do however agree that this bug is most likely caused by a script (I think it might possibly be caused by an AI Package too, but I'm not sure).

Could you add a picture of the lower part of the Dark01Knife quest page in TES4Edit?