DesertRanger111

Yes I am necroing a 2.75 year old dead thread but I just wanted to say THANKS!!! For this. I was having this same problem and it was driving me insane! lol Kudos given BlahBlahDEEBlahBlah (nice name choice btw)

What I'm saying is go into the female MESH folder, grab the femalebody.nif and femalehands.nif files and drop them in to your unique player MESH folder. I'm betting that fixes the issue

Ok that looks like your mesh and texture dont match. You said you are using cbbe body? Make sure the mesh in your unique player female folder is correct. That is the same file structure I have. I'm guessing you didnt manually replace your unique female bodies. You have to do that for your character as well as the meshes and textures for all the other female characters. That is definitely a mesh and texture misalignment though. Looks like your mesh is not cbbe.

Ok, you lost me, there is a unique redux interface in looks menu?? Can you take a screen shot that shows that interface and shows what your skin looks like?

This is the best one: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21956?tab=description FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS!

Ok. Did you mean your FACE is discolored or everything is? What textures are you using in the basehumanfemale folder? Body and face textures.

What version of Transfer are you using? does that version line up with the blueprint? That might be a good place to start. Are you using a scrap all mod?

I've been there. That doesn't even count as a crash lol nothing is happening! Can you post your load order? What mod manager are you using? Did the game load BEFORE you used LOOT but AFTER you updated all those mods?

Word! Also see: https://www.youtube....h?v=ARtSJ_B4Mwk https://www.youtube....h?v=iDAdvZZXfyA Those say exactly what Jeir said but it has a video as well to show you.

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For starters, what mod manager are you using? When you installed FSM, what options are you selecting in the options part of the install? Are you making sure that your unique character's texture files are the same files that FSM has installed in the basehumanfemale folder? xedit won't tell you anything, it's just a texture file not a plug-in.

1) Everyone's faces or just yours? Who's are being affected? 2)What mod manager are you using? 3) Make sure the resolution of the femalehead_D,N,S.dds files are the same and that they are the same resolution that the game is trying to load. 4) Are you using HD-DLC? 5) Are other mods that add facial overlays at a different resolution than what your femalehead_D,N,S.dds files are at? Eyes, lips, makeup, etc? 6) That mod hasn't been updated in 3 1/2 years, it may still be using 512x512 resolution instead of 1024 like HD-DLC does. Try using Valkyrie 2.0 instead and see if you are getting the same issue. You don't have to keep the mod knowing the answer to that question will help with figuring out what is going on. LAST) Are you using any "Unique player" mods?

Some other guy 2: "Don't remove it mid-game you will f*** up your save game or you will have to clean it*. There is a lot of orphan scripts that will still be on after that" *See next post about "cleaning" a save. Don't use a mod or program to clean your saves unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing, the mod/program may think it is removing an orphan that is actually a scripted instance from something else or something the entire game engine is depending on to function. And it could be as simple as removing ONE LINE from a Papyrus command in a 1,000 line script and it will no longer load that save or will CTD as soon as you load.

Take AmazingFollowerTweaks (AFT) for example. Adding AFT mid-game will probably be ok. To be safe, dismiss anyone that AFT will be managing. The mod author MIGHT know whether or not the companion they created will be recognized by the AFT process. They are in no way obligated to know so don't get mad if they don't. Maybe they don't know anything about AFT. Anyway, dismiss and and all, and once you have dismissed your companion do a HARD (manual) save of the game, add the mod, load the save back up, and re-recruit the companion along with others. That way there is less new stuff going on, the environment is being affected less, so it should work. Now if you REMOVE AFT mid-game, here are a couple of scenarios: 1) you didn't dismiss your companions first and when you removed the mod and loaded the save back up, assuming it loaded at all, then your companions all wander off and become unrecruitable or interactable for the remainder of the game, OR, 2) if you dismiss them first, save, then remove it, they SHOULD be ok. The conditions that the mod created are not currently directly affecting any character. BUT there are exceptions to that which are even more complicated than what I have already said. Some other guy: "Be careful with big scripted mod like AFT" me: Right Some other guy 2: "Don't remove it mid-game you will f*** up your save game or you will have to clean it*. There is a lot of orphan scripts that will still be on after that" *See next post about "cleaning" a save. me: Right. As long as nothing the game requires to function requires those scripts to load, the save SHOULD load up. Assuming you used their vanilla recruiting method and not by using AFT to recruit them as long as nothing IN the game is affected by the conditions in those orphan scripts than you shouldn't notice anything. All references in the game need to be removed from the mod though. SO if you were ONLY using AFT to have multiple companions and not for the million other things it can do, as long as you dismiss them first, it shouldn't be a game changing issue. No moving piece in the save is referencing the orphaned script so it shouldn't break. You WILL have longer load times though as the save tries to process those scripts on loading and can't make sense of what that scripted instance/condition is talking about. Some other guy 3: "Yeah, but if AFT was only for the companion recruit part is fine but you can do a lot to your companion with AFT" me: Good point. AFT is potentially a complicated one because of how much stuff it can do. If it ONLY changed the rule that you can have more than one follower at a time, than it should be fine as long as you don't have more than one follower when the game tries to reload without the mod. The game is still going to lag trying to figure out what those missing scripts were when its reading a save to load it though. But AFT can do so much so there are so many different things it can affect. So bad idea is to remove mid-game. It SHOULD be safe to add mid-game though. We are assuming though that OP is not replacing one companion framework with AFT though like Unlimited Companion Framework, (UCF), for example, or there is a mod already doing something that AFT is going to also try to do when you add it to the game. That last one is a conflict though, not necessarily because of a script change. Is it safe to add AFT? Yes, IF: you are not using it to replace something else, and as long as nothing AFT has the ability to change is not being done already by a different mod, especially if it is done a different way. If you have cheat terminal before aft, boost your special to all 10, and then add AFT, it will recognize that all your special stats are at 10. If you were using a mod that uses a script for example though to boost all your stats to 10 and then tried to add aft and change your stats through aft then you might ctd because two different mods are using two different methods to do the same thing and suddenly the game is trying to do something two different ways at the same time and it hangs up on running that script and crashes because it cant read the scripts that come next. That's just one example of many scenarios though. Op: "I understand the risks associated with running mods but AFT in Skyrim Special Edition is very buggy. If installed mid-game usually breaks stuff." Me: So a couple of things, AFT on Skyrim has not been updated in 6 years. The SSE version is a port of the oldrim version by a different person that was created in 2012 and hasn't been updated since 2013. Not taking anything away from what the SSE version authors have added, changed, or went through to get it to work for SSE, just saying, the SSE is relying on a framework created by someone a LONG time ago. AFT for FO4 has been updated, by Dheuster himself, within the past 6 months. A lot of the mechanics for how AFT works for Skyrim vs FO4 are different as well, for example using MCM vs using an in game interface like a holotape. As far as installing mid-game, that should not be a problem if there are not other issues like I mentioned about using it to replace or do what UCF or other mods have already done up to that point in your game. That said, if used to its maximum, AFT will break your game even if it's on a fresh start if not used word for word the way it was INSTRUCTED to be used. That is 9 people's problems out of 10. Don't force recruit or force AI onto a follower that doesn't follow the extremely generic dialogue framework. Custom companions and companions like Serana for example would be a "no use" thing. Doesn't mean you cant have AFT, just don't use it on them. Followers like Lydia or Mjoll should be fine. Same for Fallout. Don't use AFT on custom followers unless they follow the completely generic dialogue and behavior systems. If you do, you will basically overwrite their AI and have to start a new game to get that AI back to how it was originally designed by the companion mod author. The mid-game issue by itself though should not be a problem. AFT isn't buggy, it changes scripts as you use it and once you do that you have to follow the specific instructions for how to manage the game or it will break things. It is also very script HEAVY so it can conflict with a lot of things. Don't worry about installing it mid-game if it is not going to conflict with another mod. BUT, it just depends on what you are using it for. Using it to have more than one companion and that is it would not be an issue. In Fallout 4, AFT doesn't even manage MOST custom dialogue followers or even recognize them in your 5 companion limit unless you force recruit them. And if you do that, you just overwrote their custom AI and custom dialogue and now they are just going to give generic responses assuming that it doesn't break the companion mod in the least or just all out crash the whole game. OK, hopefully that gives an idea for what I want this thread to be about. Feel free to chime in, agree with me, disagree with me, whatever floats your boat just try to be constructive. Note that I have not addressed Load Order for AFT or many other issues, this is just a little bit on the basic side to give people an idea.

Q: Is it safe to add _______ mid-game? A: No, it is not safe to change the mechanics of your game once you have started it. Will it BREAK your game? Probably not. Is it SAFE? No. Its not as bad as REMOVING a mod mid-game though. Also, we need to be more specific about what we mean by "mod". The only things some mods do is change textures and/or meshes for example. They don't change the location the core game and game engine reference materials from. Mods that add SCRIPTS ESPECIALLY, and mods that change reference locations are going to be the riskiest. They are changing how the game operates/functions. They are changing the "rules" that the game follows. It is less unsafe, generally, to add conditions mid-game than it is to take conditions away. A save relies on running and reading everything that has happened up to that point and all the scripts involved in order to load. If you add something in, as long as it doesn't conflict with anything else or create conditions that force the engine to operate beyond its boundaries like: jumping through the map, bashing 1000 plugins together so you meet the 255 limit, making extreme values like a 1,000,000 strength stat, have 15 people following you and entering new cells with you, etc... it typically won't cause a problem. If you REMOVE a mod midgame though that has created a new condition from the base game then the save may fail as it tries, and continiously fails, to reference that condition that no longer has any references in the game. As the save is processing for load, "reading" those references are gone so those conditions cannot be satisfied for the load process to move on to the next condition it has to process. That causes a crash, or crash to desktop (CTD), or at the very least, breaks something in your game.

There are a million threads on Nexus asking this question, you wonder about a mod, google if it will crash your game, and get a lot of hits but they are from three years ago and that mod has been updated 15 times since then. Let's discuss if and why a mod will break your game. This is a place for people to ask about mods as of 2019 breaking Fallout 4, Oldrim, or SSE as well as a place to get a basic on the "mechanics" of the game and modding. I am in no way the expert, I'm just someone who has been using a lot of mods for awhile and want to open up a fresh discussion of Q/A from new and seasoned modders to discuss mod mechanics and if specific mods will break their game. I just spent entirely too long writing a Discord post about whether or not a mod would "break" the game so I figured I would start a fresh thread. This is a SAFE place so please don't let this dissolve into something stupid and try to stay on topic. That said, if you disagree, feel free to, I do things the way I do them and it works for me, maybe it will help someone else too. If there is a different strategy for getting mods to work feel free to chime in at any time. *** Contributing any of your time to this thread is COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY

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Sorry, last thing I promise, specs: Display: 55" 4K UHD CPU: I-7 6700 3.40 GHZ GPU: 1080 Ti GTX RAM: 32 gb DDR4 Drive: 500 gb SSD game settings: resolution: 3840x2160 all ultra, farthest LOD, medium god rays/flares, and medium shadows FPS: On average around 50-60. If it starts to get laggy at all I completely exit out of the game and restart and the problem has always gone away.

For those just starting out, by bashed patch I mean downloading Wrye Bash and then running your mods through it. PM me for questions regarding wrye bash. Once you have done it, leave the bash patch at the bottom of the load order (last in order). ANY TIME you download a mod, rebuild your wrye bash patch.

Sorry to necro an old thread but thought I would post this in case you are still having trouble and also for people making similar searches about load order and other issues like oldrim vs. skyrim special edition as well as sex mod and sexlab issues (notice me keywording stuff there for google searchers). I have been modding skyrim for a long time as well. I use NMM not MO, and I don't use loot. Even without those I have no crashing issues. I have found SSE to be a LOT more stable than LE. One of the big things I do which I'm sure you probably also do is make sure my mods are clean and fully converted for SE using creation kit, havok and se converter, sse nif optimizer, wrye bash, and SSEEdit. A lot of times older mods that are "converted over" per claims by mod author or someone acting with their permission are NOT properly ported over so their are faulty animations or meshes, or orphans, or not form 44, etc. For new modders: MUST USE SKSE (SKSE64) Skyrim Script Extender ** Make sure your version of the game per steam updates matches your version of SKSE. *** Turn off auto-update in steam so it doesn't break your skse, pick a runtime and skse version that works for your mods (usually animation or FNIS related) and stick with that ****PM me if needing help rolling back sse version to your skse version and TURN OFF auto-update on steam As I said, I have had a lot more stability with SSE. That said, I have never used any sex mods on sse. When I DID use them on LE, this is what happened: I had never used sex mods and had a stable game (for oldrim anyway), I tried out sex mods and noticed an immediate emergence of instability, I uninstalled all sex mods, manually rooted out all of their scripts, animations, etc, and started a new game and all the problems I had with them were gone. Main thing was getting rid of those scripts. I can't even imagine how problematic genuinely converting those over from LE to SSE would be. You would need to be a legit programmer to do it without it causing major in-game issues. Yaddy yaddy all that said I noticed that you and I have substantially different load orders. I don't get any CTD's and I use all the physics, face, lip, eye, body, companion, etc mods I can find (that I like or haven't tried), I have quite a few armor and weapon mods, and every retexture mod I can find that actually looks good). I try to avoid mods that add scripts at all costs and am often reluctant to add mods that add animations. Check your load order vs. mine. I posted my LO from wrye bash and also exported from NMM in case they are different at all. Bear in mind that I have a LOT of retexture mods that are not plugins so not in the list. I am currently running 171 plugins and 294 active mods altogether. I have a lot more modded files that I manually did so they don't show up in my active mods count (294) at all. Maybe try mine out. By the way, when I can change textures without using the mod manager for the mod I do and manually download the mod instead and then cut and paste files (usually .dds textures) into the appropriate folders to overwrite, for example, I use a cbbe body, xpmsse skeleton, and body slide, but my textures are Demoniacs 8k body textures which I downloaded manually then dropped the files into my textures/actors/character/female file (hence why I said I actually have more than 294 mods. SKSE version: Current SE build 2.0.15 (runtime 1.5.73) Wrye Bash LO: Masters for Save839_CA154934_1_4D75697269_Tamriel_052138_20190619061210_116_1.ess: And from NMM:GameMode=SkyrimSE Skyrim.esm=1Update.esm=1Dawnguard.esm=1HearthFires.esm=1Dragonborn.esm=1Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1ApachiiHair.esm=1ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1ApachiiHairMales.esm=1RaceCompatibility.esm=1MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm=1Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl=1BBLuxurySuite.esm=1SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp=1MajesticMountains_Moss.esp=1MajesticMountains.esp=1SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp=1Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1BDS - MM Patch.esp=1BlendedRoads.esp=1S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp=1SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp=1Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo - FlowingLakes.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp=1RWT Lod Fix.esp=1Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esp=1dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp=1SolitudeTempleFrescoesSmall.esp=1SolitudeTempleFrescoesExpanded.esp=1SolitudeTempleFrescoesBig.esp=1SolitudeTempleFrescoes.esp=1PilgrimsDelight.esp=1SexyMannequinsFemaleHF_SSE.esp=1SexyMannequinsFemale_SSE.esp=1SexyMannequinRythleen_SSE.esp=1Mannequin Message.esp=1Battle Vixen Loadscreens.esp=1IcePenguinWorldMap.esp=1HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp=1Enlightened College of Winterhold.esp=1CampfireFix.esp=1ImprovedHearthfireLighting.esp=1Better Face Lighting.esp=1SkyUI_SE.esp=1Windhelm Bridge Overhaul.esp=1Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp=1Dragonborn Crafting Hall SE.esp=1Lakeview_Extended.esp=1BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp=1BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp=1LakeviewBathhouseSSE.esp=1LakeviewCellarFullyUpgraded.esp=1WindstadUpgraded.esp=1WindstadCellarFullyUpgraded.esp=1Sanctuary Reborn.esp=1BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1DarkBrotherhoodMotivations.esp=1thievesguildexit.esp=1ShadowmereX.esp=1FasterBows.esp=1FasterShadowmere.esp=1Harkon's Sword Buffed and Disenchantable.esp=1No Falling Damage.esp=1Unlimited Shouting.esp=1GetMoreMoneyFromTheDarkBrotherhood.esp=1DBRewards.esp=1Unlimited Training.esp=1eu3fan_teleporter.esp=1Shadow Step.esp=1Vampirelordroyal.esp=1AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp=1Better Vampires.esp=1BVandRoyalBloodline_Patch.esp=1Better Vampire NPCs.esp=1DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp=1AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1Better Followers - P.esp=1Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp=1_s23_BetterMeleeAI.esp=1SofiaFollower.esp=1Ambriel.esp=1MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp=1EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp=1EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp=1zMirai.esp=1TrueHel.esp=1Hel.esp=1SuperbSerana.esp=1Delphine Makeover.esp=1Babette.esp=1MBWSNPCReplace_karliahnohood.esp=1Skyrim Ladies - Astrid.esp=1Gabriella.esp=1Veronica&George.esp=1DJQ_RayyaReplacer.esp=1Krooman-Brelyna (remake of Beans).esp=1Krooman-Warriors_of_Jorrvaskr.esp=1Krooman-Women_of_Whiterun_part1 (Femmes de Blancherive).esp=1Krooman-Women_of_Whiterun_part2 (Femmes de Blancherive).esp=1Krooman-Women_of_Whiterun_part3 (Femmes de Blancherive).esp=1SkyDreamKittens.esp=1TheDBInitiates.esp=1TGBC.esp=1CL BladeofWoe.esp=1CL Chillrend.esp=1corvussword.esp=1WeaponsOf3E_SSE.esp=1dragonslayerarrows - temper.esp=1For the Brotherhood Daggers SSE.esp=1ScoiataelBows.esp=1KatanaCrafting.esp=1MithrodinSword.esp=1Raven Swords SSE.esp=1Haladoonbows.esp=1Sugaruya Katana.esp=1Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp=1Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp=1Unique Uniques.esp=1Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1LADX_SSE.esp=1TeraRogueCBBE.esp=1Guild Duelist Armor.esp=1KarliahArmor2.esp=1OvThiefArmor.esp=1OvLeatherArmor.esp=1DarkStandalone.esp=1Light Elven Armor.esp=1Mara Thief Armor.esp=1TrissArmorRetextured.esp=1Demon Armor.esp=1RogueSorceressRetextured.esp=1LustmordVampireArmor.esp=1Reoutfitted Guards and Soldiers.esp=1Facial Piercings.esp=1HN66_Earrings.esp=1Immersive Jewelry.esp=1Carry Weight x100.esp=1WeightlessGoldCoins.esp=1CBBE.esp=1True Orcs - Extreme.esp=1Metalsabers Beautiful Orcs of Skyrim.esp=1KS Hairdo's.esp=1TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1BVFE.esp=1RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp=1RaceMenu.esp=1RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1CharacterMakingExtender.esp=1EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp=1HavoksLipPatterns.esp=1StojaMakeupPack.esp=1Joy of Perspective.esp=1JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp=1FNIS.esp=1FNISSexyMove.esp=1FNISspells.esp=1VioLens SE.esp=1SINful CBP.esp=1GoToBed.esp=1Skysan_BBLSBeds.esp=1Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp=1XPMSE.esp=1Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1ADEC_SuccubusArmor.esp=1altvamplord.esp=1Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1 My load order logic for my esp's: - textures - game changers/fixers and texture modifiers that significantly change the game like a new map, mannequins with cbbe bodies, and my load screens - interface (skyui) - locations - cheats, new spells, other types of modifications that make me or the world faster, smarter, strong, etc - NPC mods starting with game changing such as multi-marriage and AFT, then better follower type stuff, custom follower mods, then mods that change existing NPCs in some way - weapons - armor (the more it changes the game the earlier in the LO it goes - body mods like cbbe, hair, eyes, etc - race menu and enhanced character edit (yes I know using both of them makes a mess of things but this is my personal preference) - Joy of Perspective - FNIS - FNIS add-ons like spells, sexy moves, kill moves, and THEN body physics - Dual Sheath - skeleton (xpmsse) - Alternate Start - mods that MUST be placed at bottom per mod author - bashed patch (ALWAYS LAST) Hope this helps if you are still having issues. Another reason for me necroing this thread is because people googling this topic and finding this thread will hopefully find the thread still useful and relevant.

If you want to share anything you did that was different than I I said please let us know!

I promise that it works

Thats wierd because it worked for me. Have you opened DSR in the creation kit so you can port it to SSE?

thanks, hope you got it working.

ok, Im glad Im not the only one with this experience. I agree about the mod availability being too spartan though. I am considering knocking my LE mod list down to nothing and rebuilding from the ground up (knowing now what I didn't know then). I agree that LE looks better than SSE. Its crazy how much better it looks.