Joeblivion

In response to post #24608634. #24609314, #24612079, #24612614, #24613089, #24618249, #24624044, #24624654 are all replies on the same post. @TheKnightofRand "Though I think it is fair to say if each province of Beyond Skyrim were released for 10-20 bucks they would work a lot faster and we would see a product of like quality sooner, because money is important and devoting time, your most precious resource, with only intangible reward is disheartening." While I have a lot of problems with most of what you posted, this one stuck out to me the most. Do you know what other company creates content with the promise of compensation? Bethesda does and it dictates a lot of what they have done in the past, including what has happened very recently. So many companies will rush out products, well before they are completely bug tested in the hopes of capitalizing on the hype frenzies they spend so much money on in order to create the maximum amount of revenue. This is what they care about, not about the state of the game, but about how much cash they feel they can get upon release. I also find it concerning that you feel intangible rewards like respect, adoration, desire to improve, are all 'disheartening' when it comes to reasons for mod makers to continue modding. I cannot help but feel you put an overemphasis on the importance of the dollar. The dollar is important, yet it does not promote creativity like having a genuine passion for something. You claim there is no schism. Care to explain what will happen when mod makers have to choose between charging for their mods on the Steam workshop or letting them be free on the Nexus? I suppose a mod maker could post their mod on both, yet that would be self defeating. You are correct in that our freedom to download created content from modders has been a given for a very long time and is now being threatened. I do not feel that you are correctly representing the community when you claim that we feel that modders are entitled to NOTHING for their contributions to the modding community. "We" (and I assume this includes you if you have EVER downloaded any mods for free) download mods from makers to improve our experience and in return we pay for that with admiration for the mod makers. I have a list of mod makers who have made my favorite mods and I adore them all. (Was really saddened when I heard what happened to Chesko, an author to one of my fav mods ever) You displaying us as ungrateful, free-loaders is pretty offensive, especially since YOU are among our community. We are not stating that modders do not have a right to monetize their mods. They have every right. We are just expressing our right to criticize this idea and how it could have terrible ramifications for the future of the modding community for Skyrim. You then go on to compare the monetization of Skyrim to DOTA 2 and state that," What works for one will DEFINITELY work for the other." Then you try to achieve some neutral landing pad by stating that it is the right of the modder to choose what they want to do, which ironically we also agree with. We are trying to preserve our mod using freedom that we have had since Morrowind and beyond. We do not want everything for nothing. We appreciate and love our mod makers. We just don't want to have to give up appreciating their work because Valve and Beth want to cash in on their labors.

In response to post #24622219. Every modder has a right to choose to monetize his/her content as they see fit. This is something that I can support. I also support the idea that we are all entitled to criticize bad ideas. That said, I feel we all should be reserved the right to judge mod makers based on whether they want to charge for their content or not. We cannot turn a blind eye to unethical actions such as short changing mod makers so Valve and Beth can make some quick, easy cash based on those mod maker's labors. If we all adopt the approach of, " Well, that is a bad idea, but we can't say anything because that would be mean." If this were the case, then no one would be posting on the steam forums voicing their disagreements with this new policy. I think a better solution would be to allow them to make their own decisions, and allow ourselves the right to judge them based on THEIR actions.

In response to post #24597829. #24598674, #24599279, #24599624, #24621674, #24622339, #24622439 are all replies on the same post. @ Shadow_Dragyn I think the reason people are revolting against 'their' free content being taken away, is because the mod makers gave this free content up willingly to begin with. They did it with the pretense and knowledge that MANY people will not donate. If the mod maker was really serious about getting donations, they would not go through a service that makes it optional. I think (and hope) that most mod makers do it for some sense of personal satisfaction. I mean, if they didn't, then why would they do it? I think that is why the community is all of a sudden confused and frustrated that what was once given up freely, paid for in admiration and respect, is now being paid for with dollar bills. Your belief that we are all ungrateful, free loaders is pretty condescending. We love mods, we love the makers of the mods, only severe materialists would say that we can only show that appreciation by throwing paper at those mod makers.

In response to post #24616159. #24616314, #24616399, #24616454, #24616704, #24616799, #24616909, #24617019, #24617144, #24617304, #24617354, #24617394, #24617519, #24618004, #24618149, #24618159, #24618169, #24618264, #24618289, #24618509, #24618574, #24618634, #24619184, #24619264, #24619524, #24619749, #24619879, #24620069, #24620089, #24620334, #24620539, #24620654, #24620834, #24620854, #24620909, #24621039, #24621124, #24621969, #24622244, #24622359, #24622569, #24622584, #24622724, #24623239, #24623394, #24623524 are all replies on the same post. I think you are making a good choice in changing your mind to making all your mods Nexus exclusive. When I initially read your first post, I immediately decided that if I saw a mod with your name on it I would skip it and move on out of principle. I am very pleased that you changed your mind though. You have restored a little bit of my hope for the future of the modding community of Skyrim in general. I hope that you continue to get endorsements and praise despite what Valve and Beth are doing.

In response to post #24615349. #24615514, #24615539, #24615594, #24615744, #24615844, #24616559, #24616664, #24616684, #24616839, #24616949, #24617094, #24617659, #24617939, #24617944, #24618744 are all replies on the same post. @Axeface I have not been on the steam forums to witness, for myself, the extent of the response of the community to the actions of Valve/Beth and while I do not endorse over the top, negative responses, (ie. death threats, etc.) I can say that we cannot discredit the community's response because of the negative feedback. We are voicing our displeasure at this move by Valve and Beth. The majority of the community supports the FREE distribution of modded content and those modders who decide that they would like to take the 'Valve' approach and try to monetize that content are telling the community of users that they value the dollar over the enjoyment of expressing creativity, dedication and skillful prowess in regards to their modded content. Your position confuses me because in your first post, you support Valve's decision, claiming it will promote higher quality mods (which is debatable). Yet later in your responses you go on to claim that corporations are 'evil' and ALWAYS try to suck everyone dry. Despite this, you still support an 'evil' corporation, that is setting up an easy cash grab, that undermines the creativity of modders, short changes them for their efforts, moves us one step closer to eliminating free modding altogether, perpetuates pirating (now for mods, of all things) and is trying to remove our free exchange of content. Monetizing modded content will not create better content. People will find ways to maximize the amount of money they make, while putting in the least amount of effort. Don't believe me? Just follow what Beth and Valve are doing. Beth makes 37.5% of all profits for every download, while only having to pay for a game that they developed 4 years ago and no longer support. Valve makes 37.5% of all profits for every download, while only having to upkeep the workshop and overseeing every transaction/download. The people actually doing any work get paid only 25% of profits made per download. This is what happens when you put the importance of the dollar bill above the importance of creativity, community sharing, desire for prestige and passion for supporting something you love.