Anataron

Thanks for that Link and the Correction of my Statement - honestly didn't know it - but now that it is brought up here - maybe another suggestion: add it to the benefits on the overview page you are taken to on the Main Site; just as a suggestion? :wink: From what I can gather from the first post of Dark0ne there it seems that the benefit for Premium is simply a double of non-premium .. as in 5 images for members; 10 images for premium. So while corrected on the Information concerning the current limit I still would say Premium would have to be adjusted acordingly - keeping with the same ratio - so if members get a new limit of 1 instead of 5 the limit should be reduced for premium to 2 instead of 10; still a 1:2 ratio for premium; still the same "benefit" they had before over members but without the possibility of "members" bringing up that the change was only implemented as a means to encourage to buy Premium from the Nexus Staff side. Maybe extend premium a bit more to accomondate for the Supporter Side aswell - so 2normal/2sup instead of 10 total for Premium and 1 normal instead of 5 total for members .. (of course only example numbers). At least in my opinion; might be biased as neither way would influence me at all as I very rarely even upload more than 1 image a day anyways. However I do like the concept of a cooldown aswell; might again be biased as it doesn't affect me personally in any way; as it is many that post several images per day do so within a very short amount of time; which indeed is the "most obvious/direct" increase in flow causing some images to be overlooked; especially for new users that have not a lot of people already tracking them. Once again thank you for going to the length of search that Thread and linking it; very much appreciated - the more one knows and all that.

I might be wrong; but as far as I recall the amount of uploads or the Like is not tied in with Premium as it is right now - all that is tied in is DL speed capacity; PM capacity; access to sup side; acess to prem servers and more customize options for the display of images on 1 page .. as I can't recall any upload limits being in place right now concerning numbr of images per day and can't find it with a quick scan over the "premium what you get page" (edit: for reference; this page: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/users/premium/?) so in my memory a premium member didn't pay for extended upload of images and I think that wouldn't be a good way to deal with the "open" image share .. maybe make it so that prem/sup get 2 uploads a day 1 sup side 1 normal side to keep in line with their current benefits .. :wink: All that said I might be wrong in remembering that little detail .. edit: especially considering that I rarely if ever upload more than 2 on the same day .. Edit again .. gosh; gotta keep those edits in check: And regardless - even if there is a limit I never noticed; which honestly might be the case .. I'd say if the "members" are restricted to X number of images - lower than it might currently be - I think prem should be regardless of what it was previously at most X times 2 to keep in line with current regulations .. or else it would turn into un-balanced regulations so to speak - which in turn could be read as a "this change was only implemented as a way to make premium more appealing"

Very well worded Wolfgrimdark; while I fully agree concerning the subjective nature of "Quality" I think there are some points to be made that are comparably objective so to speak - HUD Elements Cluttering the View - FOV choices that do not show any detail whatsoever in a shot .. to make examples - a facial portrait at fov 90 isn't the best idea and a landscape panorama style shot doesn't work too well on fov 5 ... a modded hud fully cluttering the image and hiding half of the Image - things Like that :wink: I also agree on your points concerning the Social Nature; but I think a combination of several changes might work to "counter" that .. for one make the Top Images; if they are kept; not rotate on a monthly but a weekly basis - limit the amount of top images to 1 / user(edit: if possible only for skyrim to avoid hitting other; less rapidly flowing/active parts of the nexus from being hit unreasonably hard) - limit the amount of images to 1 / day + 5 / week .. that way the overall trafic is slower; already increasing chances that a greater variety of users get a chance to have their work seen; limiting the amount of spots a person can take up in the top images and having them cycle quicker through .. But of course all of that would have to be carefully adjusted - just throwing out a few numbers to make a point about Ideas .. but as you said; there is no real solid or easy answer for it ... If there is even a way that can not be used/abused in some way or another.. Guess we will all have to wait and see what the Nexus Staff will eventually decide on and implement :wink:

I think overall it would be a great Idea to get an easy to access Guide compiled that covers both the technical aspects of what the Nexus is capable of doing in the Image Share section concerning Images in the Description / several Images in one Post aswell as possibly even Screenshot Taking Tips and Tricks and a Story Board Guide included in it; as for those the only "guides" on the Nexus I'm aware of are two comparably old and more or less rarely visited Forum Threads. I really appreciate that it seems that such a project is in the works as I think it might prove very usely for both new users of the Image Share/Nexus aswell as more seasoned Users that do not (yet) know how to go about making Sets of Images or how to best get started in a Story Line. Now; while I can't say I have read every post in this Thread there are some points I would like to state my own opinion on. Beginning with the one that struck me most as I personally tend to link several Images in the Descriptions of my Image Uploads; at times going "slightly overboard" with it. Kaldaar did mention that a certain length limit should be added for the overall length of posts; and there I strongly disagree. All such a limit would do is force people that would exceed it with their Sets to post several posts at once; split up over the Images. As it; in my mind; would not discourage those longer Sets but simply get people to post two; three; four smaller sets in a very short amount of time and therefore adding to the overall speed of Image Section Flow instead of slowing it down. I can understand that it might be tedious for a Viewer to go through a Set of 20; 30; 40 or even more Images in an seemingly endless Stream of Images - but here is the Thing - if such a Set is compiled by a User that User has the intention to post those Images - so imposing a "length limit" of say 10 Images would just mean that the overall amount would be spread over several Posts; which in my mind is even more "tedious" to watch if the Intention to watch those Images is present. I think the length of a post should be up to the individual uploader; and only to that Uploader. For those that do not want to; or can not afford to; go through such a lengthy post there is already a simple solution in place - simply skipping that particular Image Post once it is clear that it exceeds the Viewers "reasonable amount" of Images. At least that is my view on that particular matter. Concerning the Limitation of 1 Image per Uploader in the Top Image Section - I personally think such a change wouldn't solve any problems; as already mentioned. In an active Share like the Skyrim Image Share it would widen the Amount of Members in the Top Section to 27 instead of 5-15 depending on the current Month/Day. With the overall amount of People posting Images that is hardly a change that Matters; in my honest opinion. Neither do I think any limitations imposed on the way the System works would change anything. As I see it - those using (and possibly abusing) the current System do so for one thing - Internet "fame"/"recognition" - with that in Mind; I do not think the Amount of Images in the Top Section Matters - having even 1 Image in there matters. From that Viewpoint it doesn't change anything. As I see it: As long as there will be any kind of "Highlight" System in place there will be People around that will find a way to use that System to get their "recognition" fix for the Day/Week/Month. What I'm trying to say with all that is basically this: Any System that Highlights Images posted while being based on User Input; no matter it's Restrictions in Place; will be used the same way it is now; only with a marginally broader base of People that benefit from it. So in my mind there are two ways to deal with the Issue(given; it is only really an Issue in the Skyrim Image Share - but that is part of Skyrim's far more active Image Share): 1) Remove Top Images alltogether - do not replace it with anything - simply let the Images flow through the normal share. That way there is no system to be "inside the selected few" and no real reason to "abuse" the System that is based on User Input - as there is no "best circle" to aim for. 2) Leave the System as it is; as I think even a 1 Image per User Restriction will not fix the Image Share for Skyrim; but will hit the other Parts of the Nexus unreasonably hard. Where I do however agree is that it might be necessary to overhaul or improve the Rules for Posting. I do in particular think that a List of Mods/Armors (in particular for Skyrim) that are not allowed to be posted should be compiled and kept up to date; easily accessable; as I find it a bit .. shall we say .. discomforting .. if one can not be certain if an off site Armor is allowed to be shown. As a User it is nearly impossible to keep up with all the "underlying" problems that might be relevant to a certain Amor/Mod and as such it can be like walking a Mine Field to post Armors/Mods that are not hosted here for whatever Reason the Author might have had to not host them here. Another Point is that Nudity as such might need Revision; either under the Adult Tag as it is; or under a new Tag "non sexual Nudity" (bad name for it; but the point should be clear) - Images depicting Sexual Content should stay on the Supporter Side; but I think it is unreasonable to have Images of beheadings and generally Violence of some excessiveness allowed under the Adult Tag; but for example a Character taking a Bath after a Long Day of Traveling is an Issue? That to me makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe that is related to specific UK Laws; as I understand that the Nexus has to uphold those; which I as a non UK-based User am not aware of. If that might be the Case I would appreciate if those Laws in their specific Statements would be included in the Rules to make it easier to understand the reasoning behind those Regulations for the Image Share. And before this gets any longer I will stop myself here. Aftertought Edit: Where I do however see a benfit in a X number / user restriction is overall Posting in the Image Share - specifically Skyrim. If say a User could only post once a day with a limit of 5 posts per Week I think that would slow down the Skyrim Image Share quite a lot; and therefore allow some great Images that are easily missed now a chance to be seen while encouraging the individual poster to only post what they see as their best - and not just anything just for the sake of posting - but maybe that might just be me who already doesn't post "too much" in regards of "time against uploads".

I had planned to Keep myself out of this mess of an Ordeal entirely. But I simply can't. To voice my thoughts at this Moment in time; with the knowledge I posses and the rather lacking grasp I have of the world a Modder works in; I will make this comment here. Take it as it is: Feedback of a concerned Mod user; and fan of Skyrim and mods for Skyrim. As the Point has been made at least once; that modding is a form of Artwork; that is compareable to any other hobby-craft like making Jewelry; painting; any Kind of those Artworks. Yes. In a sense it is. It is Creative Artwork. With one; to my knowledge; Major difference. As of now I can not Name a single tool or ressource NEEDED for modding a Game like Skyrim that is not available as a sort of Freeware. Not one. If a Modder decides to use advanced Tools to ensure Quality of his Mods that are pay to use it is up to that Modder as an Individual to make that Decision. But as a General Rule for most you do not spend anything aside from Time making a Mod. Period. Even if you feel compelled to make a certain Mod or fix an existing one with your knowledge and ideas concerning that matter it is up to you which Tools you use. So comparing Modding to any other form of "semi-professional" - aka Hobby-Artwork is lacking; in my honest opinion. Because be it making Paintings; Pottery; Jewelry; Photography or anything I can think of as of now you do NEED Tools and Ressources that are not freely available. So you do spend Money to even being able to do what you want to do. And that is not the Case for a Modder. Yes; you did spend Money to buy the Game; but so did the Users of your Mods. If you decide to opt for advanced methods and Tools that is your decision. That is a Point where you decide that for you personally Quality of your Mod is above considering that a tool might have a prize tag. That renting a Recording Studio for better Voice Acting has a prize tag. You make that decision out of compasion; not out of necessity. And that is not the case with other Artforms; in most cases. So I personally think that comparison is lacking - at best. So in a sense and to my understanding of the matter all you do with adding a Prize-Tag to your Mods is making people spend Money on something you generated while only being "forced" to use your time. Nothing else. If you decide to use your Money to create a mod that is your decision; not something you Need to do. Another Point I have a Problem with is the Comparison to Youtube; or rather the Suggestion to make a similar System to the Revenue for Youtube. You can make a great Overhaul Mod of the Gameplay without spending a single <add your local currency> for it; which in result would grant you add-revenues under a System similar to Youtube. For basically spending Time doing it. While a Youtuber has to spend the same amount of Time; if not more; for his Videos. But on top of that those Guys have to buy decent Computers; because nobody would watch a lag-Frame by Frame Video of Gameplay or Reviews; or bad Quality Videos. The same goes for Audio and editing Equipment. A Video with High Video Quality but crappy Editing and Audio Quality won't get any Kind of Views. My opinion; take it as it is. So once more a Youtuber has to put Money up front into it to even start it; which in turn doesn't gurantee sucess. While the Argument could be made that a Modder does Need a decent Computer aswell to make Mods. Well; the same applies to the Mod user. As without a decent Computer many Mods won't work well for your System because they just eat up to much ressoures due to their high Quality. And as a last Point something more General. In the Case of Skyrim; so a Pay to Play Game to begin with; anybody able to Play the game "legaly" has already paid for the game. Period. The same amount for everybody; give or take; taking into account sales of DLC Content and Bundles of the Game. So there has already been Money involved. While it might not be a Problem for Many to Pay more for some Mods they really want it is a Problem for Others. They did spend a large Portion of their Liquid Money for the Computer to handle the Game; and another smaller Portion to even get the Game. To then add a pay or don't get mods barricade is just wrong; in my opinion. Especially with the supposedly large Cut going to Valve/Beth. They already had their share of the Game; they sold it on the market; making most likely more then they did spend on it. Not sure about that; just my Feeling. I can understand this whole System for a Free to Play Game to begin with. There the Developer and Publisher puts all their Cards on the Game; and if they then can get some back through user-created Content that is fine for me. But basically the System as it is now on the Workshop reads to me like double charging for a Game. And that in itself just sounds wrong. And not to speak of the amount of cash somebody would have to spend to get the same amount of Mods running under such a System as before. While for some a few mods are more than enough others tend to mod the living hell out of their Game. And even if each of those mods would only be 1 <add your currency here>; it still would easily add up to an amount of 100++ .. which is in my honest opinion a tiny bit besides the Point; especially for Sykrim where the User already paid 60++ for the Game and Official DLC Content. As a closing word. I do not blame Mod Authors going for the Chance to earn something for the work they spend while doing something they enjoy. There is nothing wrong doing that. And I think I will still Support Mod Authors to the best of my abilities. I just will not have the Option to enjoy Skyrim the way I did before. Or any new released Game following the same Patterns as it has now been implemented for Skyrim. Simply because I personally can't justify spending "double-Money" on a game to make it work the way I would prefer. Call it selfish; call it greedy on my End. But as a Result of all this I might have to think not twice but more often about buying a Mod-able Game if I end up being forced to pay for the "best" mods for said game; Mods that add a large amount of replayability to a game that otherwise would have been good; but not Holding it's own for so Long. Sad that it had to come to such a hatestorm over the past couple of hours and I just hope the current System will be revised. I don't demand Mod Authors to not take Advantage of this Chance. I honestly think some should recieve Money for their Work. Some should be paid for all the benefits they add to a game. But on a "can" Basis that works; and not a "have to" Basis like the current System. And if the Feedback and donations they recieve isn't enough in their Eyes. I honestly think there is always the Chance to say "that's it. It was fun as Long as it lasted; but in this climate I can't see me doing any more for the Mods I released" - or even going so far to pull their work and quit modding; going for a career path with the experience they collected on the way. Correct me if I'm wrong; hate me for what I said. But as it is this not supposed to be a hateful comment; but just concerned thoughts about the matter. Thanks for reading this monstrosity of a post.

Well, first off I'm very thankful for all the work that is going into the Nexus Sites in General, and the possibility to upload Images and even embed them into the Description. The new Editor Function in the Image Posting Section is a great and a very useful addition aswell and the Idea of "aligned" Images with the Content Box is great, but I personally would have prefered it very much if it would be a optional Feature for the time beeing or not implemented until the Site's layout had been reworked to use the "full space available" (if that is indeed planed that is great!). Because at least I would very much prefer to keep my Images on the Nexus Sites and not use the clickable Images to link to another Image Hosting Site, because I personally find it more enjoyable to read or look at a Story-based Image post in one go with the Images in there, without the Need to visit another Site to see them in a somewhat "larger" scale :) Take Care, and thanks again for all the hours of work that have been used to build the Nexus Sites and are still used to improve and maintain it, great work! :) Anataron