Thanks for the info, I changed some modes, that did not even pertain to the area, and finally able to get inside whiterun, and I could not get the jarl to surrender, he just kept getting up and start fighting again, I had to use the console command to go to the next quest, but now it keeps locking up on me in other parts of the game, so f*** it going to uninstall and reinstall with no mods, just the dlc and see what happens.