Even if you're trying to do a "budget" build, don't bother with anything less than a GTX 560Ti. By that time, a 570 might even be "budget" priced. I have a GTS 450 in one of my machines, and it plays Oblivion, Fallout, New Vegas, and many other games respectably, but it's not going to hold up to modern and future games as long as a 560 or 570 will. I guess I expected a few 'you must buy the game, play it now' comments and prompt some useful discussion e.g Lyanheart, instead of getting trolled by a few lamers questioning why I posted. This is an open forum, what are you 'the forum police'? sheesh Thanks for the budget build info Lyanheart. I am trying to be cheap.