Skotte

while it's great that it works wonderfully for you but the fact remains that it's not the best option for everyone & after my personal experience with Steamworks I would love typical offline DRM especially with a disc-based game.

& the staff here don't delete profiles they lock 'em & making a second profile would be a bad idea. Also since the GECK is supposed to be available at launch the mods should start coming in soon

I agree KDS my beef isn't really with Steam in of itself but with the "Steam exclusivity" of Steamworks

But KDS would have to dl the steam client updates & that can take many hours on a slow connection before even getting the chance to install the game.

So people can't sell what they paid for. wont say "bought" because that implies ownership

I guess all we can do is chip at Steam's Midas-like image to show people the ugliness within then maybe people will start voting against Steam with their wallets. though it still feels like Beth is giving us the "finger of meanness +1" (was playing a D&D game earlier)

Amazon.com has PS1 & win 95/98 versions of ODT

though some games may not work in offline mode

Yeppers I think that would be the best option but if this article is accurate the incentive is strong for publishers -> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_245/7285-Steam-A-Monopoly-In-the-Making Now you get it.

I agree, to be a Steamworks game, all versions that can go through Steam must. if Beth released a Mac version it too would have to go through Steam as well. but at least Beth warned us. not all publishers do that

Front Mission Evolved, It came out the 28th & I got it on the 2nd of this month & no I didn't download it. Steam started patching it as soon as it installed so I had to let that play out before I could play myself. Stability: by unstable I mean I could just drag a steam window a little bit & steam would go into a un-responsive state & have to force windows to shut it down. it did that quite a bit actually (the unresponsive state) & before anyone say it "Offline"mode just keeps me from using this particular game (I have no other Steamed games to see if it differs)

my problem with Steam is that IMO it's garbage.... Yesterday I got a game I pre-ordered It was listed as not being a Steamworks title but after I popped the disc in my Puter I noticed icons with Steam's armature graphic stupidly I decided to try it because I really wanted to try the game.then I noticed the Steamworks designation in small print on the back of the DVD case It took from 11:30 PM to 4:00 AM to set Steam up in a somewhat usable form (it was still very unstable) so I could even think of actually installing the game. & it took till 4:30 PM before I was allowed to actually try the game (Steam just had to update it first). it was about the worst time I have had with a working computer ever. So no pre-ordereing games in the future for me & a lesson that not all publishers are as forthcoming about what DRM is used in their games as Beth is. the game was cool but I feel like Steam stole a kidney from me

did you try having the npc's in a .ESM (as opposed to .esp)?

& a 64 gb drive can sure hold a lot. @Shaein, I agree, if Steam was optional, maybe with a "Steam access" key for the disc version to get the added features I wouldn't have a problem with it, but as it stands I don't know if I should even try getting the game.

Woot?! there's a small chance I could actually play NV? maybe I'll keep an eye the situation & decide if I want to get it after the new year.