Hardwaremaster

I think this song is highly appropriate for this thread, in that it attempts to diagnose this exact problem, also it manages to sum up what I think the original poster was getting at, which I personally believe is more based how one defines their environment. My thoughts are as follows, I have repeatedly wondered about this same thing for a long time, I think it really comes down to what you define as wealthy and what is poverty, I have seen some of the most wealthy people on this planet money wise, who are miserable, then I have seen homeless people who are the happiest people on earth. I have also noticed that the more money people acquire, the more people tend to spend for some strange reason, all one needs to do is look at government for example. Edit: I think one of the reasons greed, is often used in the negative sense, is because it can be parasitic feeding off of others for personal gain. However the same can also be said of the poor, who can be a drain on the rich, so it really comes down to what someones morals are at the moment, and what they think is the supposed right or wrong thing for those morally ambiguous. Song Lyrics: Eddie Vedder - Society.

Well I've been watching this thread for a while, because I sort of raised this very issue a while back, but I can't recall where it was exactly. Therefore I shall drop a few of my thoughts in here for consideration, In my opinion, I don't believe there even is such a thing as truth let alone anything as indisputable. Because of the simple reason, that you can argue about anything you want to, you don't even really need a reason for doing so either, often times what is true for one person is not true for someone else. Take for example the simple act of trolling, is fundamentally arguing for the sake of arguing, regardless of the evidence to the contrary. Also of interesting note is the result that people have believed in, and will continue to believe in inaccuracy's, which is what Joseph Goebbels task was for instance. I suppose in a way, truth is basically more subjective then objective, and more accurate then the word relative, which is more to the actual problem that people will believe, whatever they want to believe, and here is the debate. I'm going to quote from the movie the Matrix here, to expound on what I'm trying to get at, substitute the word real for truth and you get my point. In conclusion this is a complicated problem that stems more from information rather then a thought problem.

The thing is you can basically substitute this post for America all you will need to do is change the names. Here is my question; if this is all supposedly over terrorism, every single country they happen to be spying on, has their own intelligence and security services, so why not cooperate with them and have them report their information directly, rather then scrutinize everything, which leaves me to believe there is a lot more to this then terrorism. I would link some articles that might elaborate on the matter, but there seems to be a massive campaign of cover, denials, and backtracking followed by general confusion on the subject, which leaves me wondering what is actually going on here and whats the ultimate objective, considering there has been lot of domestic spying going as well.

I'm going to leave a comment here, with my opinion and experience, because I have been debating whether or not I should post this but I'm curious as to what peoples thoughts are on the matter so I decided I will post it anyway. This is my own personal experience, I've known several people who happened to be bullied at school, when one of them got in the bully's face. He retorted in the most vulgar of euphemism and a fight ensued, which unfortunately for the bully resulted in him on the floor. This began to get real interesting when the fight ended, because the bully tried to do a curved punch, and my friend dodged doing a strait punch right into his Thoracic Diaphragm which knocked the breath out of him. Eventually he got in trouble for the fight and was threatened with suspension, however what was entertaining was when he told the school board, if they cant protect the students; then the students have the right to defend themselves, after he made that statement, the school board dropped the issue. After the fight the school changed its regulations, and did a investigation into the situation, what came back was extremely revealing. Which I believe to merely be a symptom of a larger problem that people instigate themselves. This is were it gets interesting, as it turns out after the fight the bully never bothered that person again, but the thing we came to find out was that the bully had a very dysfunctional family, and his father constantly berated him and abused him, which he took out on other people. Therefore I think that bully's act the way they do because of personal issues, and that there happens to be no consequences for their actions, as well as no reprieve either.

Hmmmm. To be honest this isn't something I have actually given much thought to, but now that you happened to mention it, I suppose its because people want to know strictly from a scientific perspective, sex without reproduction doesn't have much of a point. So I guess they want to know why Homosexuals in general are attracted to the same gender in regards to evolution. However now that I come to think of it you have a point, I find myself wondering why people care about this anyway, especially if its none of their personal business and doesn't effect them in anyway.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm merely trying to point out that all arguments in this thread, are basically: Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Which would have been acceptable, had there not been confusion about the topic in question, which has been going on for a long time. Therefore your post, in a manner expounded on my original point back a few pages, that it only really matters how people feel about it; not how much scientific information there is, which many people either don't know about or refuse to read, because of their personal opinions or feelings on the matter.

Well, people could also say this is how Homosexual Behavior actually works as well, children experience something then try to do the exact same thing. However here is the technicality, what is acceptable and what is not is based on predilection, meaning you will not to convince someone differently when they have already settled on the response. I suppose this is why it has always been a debate, and probably will be, until science can accurately state what is the real cause. Which has been in dispute for hundreds, if not thousands of years, so for now any excuse will work. :wink:

This is exactly what I'm talking about if we assume Homosexuality is based on genetics that causes an attraction to your same gender. Then what causes the following: Pedophile, Bestiality, Necrophilia. I think its safe to say these exist and are not based only on attraction. I have often wondered, if people mistake sex and love for each other, or the other way around. To put it another way, do we want to be satisfied, or do we want the satisfaction of being satisfied. If you to know what I'm talking about you can see this with everything that Humans Beings happen to do. This is not to even mention Bisexuality, which others have already addressed, that kind of reminds me of this story.

This is an interesting topic, and an extremely complicated one, that connects to practically everything there is. I read a lot of conspiracy theories to pass the time when I'm board, so I've heard of the gay agenda, I'm going to try to be neutral as humanly possible. Also keep in mind that society has rapidly changed normals from a few decades ago, where this behavior was punishable for whatever reasons that were used by people back then. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien003.gif Now where to begin, well, I think we should begin at Homosexuality History and why it is actually a taboo to criticize or even examine into. Many people like to cite other things as to why this behavior is normal, or acceptable, going from everything in the Animal Kingdom to Ancient Human History, giving examples such as Animal Homosexuality, to Ancient Human Cultures doing it even down to Genetics. There are problems with each and everyone of these of course, such as in the Animal Kingdom Homosexuality is a form of domination were by males compete over who is the strongest, you can see this because its usually the male animals who are the Homosexuals. The problem with Ancient Human Cultures doing it is that is there are a hole other lot of things they did, that are considered barbaric whilst everything from pedophile and bestiality were socially acceptable, to various other strange things that shall not be named. The Genetics is the most interesting because modern scientists are in a conundrum, they have spent massive amounts of money trying to find the Genome that makes people Homosexual, and they cannot say they have found it because they are not sure they actually have. Therefore the modern scientists are inside two different mind sets, on one hand they have the scientists that state its a mental issue, and its impossible to be born that way, then there are the other scientists who say that they merely have to look in the right place for it in order to find it. The interesting thing is when you step back and objectively look, why do we really care about what other people think is because Humans are a social animals; we need the validation of the rest of society to be socially accepted, you can see this with everything. This all really depends on what a person thinks is right or wrong and what he can and cannot do; technically pedophile is a sexual preference so is bestiality, which comes down to freedom, what you can or cannot do and what you can or cannot get away with, really depends on what other people happen to think. There is something else happening here that you can see in politics as well, when you give a certain group special privileges the other groups are going to see that and demand the same type of special treatment, otherwise they are being discriminated against. This type of behavior is peculiar, in the sense that what is happening is that we are normalizing everything that Humans will do as acceptable, meaning that we can effectively normalize deviant behavior as being discriminatory, against those type of individuals whom or who it may not associate with it. I'm only listing what I have seen and heard, my opinion is I couldn't care less, than what I do at the moment.

It appears as if some US government workers are protesting the shutdown which they are not going to achieve anything substantial. Because governments are artificial constructs, they provide services for special statuses, this is what citizenship was supposed to be about. In exchange they require employees to sustain the privileges they provide, now unless the United States Federal Government has its employees sign a written contract that states the following: Full payment will be received on time and every time for the hours of work solicited under the stated amount of payment. Then they have no legal ground to stand upon, the government has made no promises of any verifiable denomination, that they would be payed regardless of the circumstances. Therefore it has no obligation to keep paying them for their employment that it doesn't require it at the moment, as a matter of fact, it can fire them when ever it deems necessary. And will likely proceed to do so if it has the required information for the situation. Meanwhile everyone else on this thread, is still hung up on the pointless argument, that there is actually a tangible difference between Republicans and Democrats despite both being run by Human Beings with agendas. That are not connected to their political affiliations, all one has to do is merely look at the content of most political scandals. The Governmental Default is a completely other problem although the debt is hovering around: 16,000,000,000. At the time of this writing it is supposedly reported that the number in question is only in funded liability's. Allegedly the unfunded liability's is some where around: 150,000,000,000. Although the United States Government states otherwise, I cannot find a source that states whether or not that this is or isn't, counting the Federal Reserve Interest on top of the debt or is it merely counting derivatives from the Interest. However it matters little as of the seize of the debt anyway, the government could have defaulted anytime it desired, regardless who expected them to pay off a debt this seize anyway. At the current rate its mathematically impossible to payoff with the current modern system in place today. Unless they actually want to use American property and or other assets as collateral to payoff the nations debt. Most likely they will raise the debt ceiling, which really doesn't do anything, other then allowing them to borrow more and more money. That will only serve to push the United States further and further into debt. The Mainstream Media is proclaiming that the Federal Shutdown has put 800,000 workers on furlough. That sounds large until someone looks at the size of the government as a whole. The current size of the Federal Government is 4.4 million. The Federal Government has been boasting that it has reduced the size of government, but as is always the case, this is a bit of a hodgepodge, as jobs formerly done by Federal Government employees have been transferred to contractors. Exact numbers of Federal contractors are hard to come by because one contract can mean multiple workers (who are paid on average 1.83 times what equivalent private sector workers are paid), however even the best conservative estimate is that there are between 7 million and 7.5 million Federal Contractors. Now adding that together should give us a rough estimate of the Federal Work Force: 4.4 million plus 7.5 million is 13.9 million. So putting 800,000 workers on furlough is only a tiny fraction of the total Federal Government, about 6%. Private companies are shaving single digits off of their work forces every day, but they don't get massive media headlines proclaiming a disaster. And, of course, the additional 21 million state and local government annoyances are open for business as usual today. Also compare that with the total national population of the United States of America which is around 316,776,000 and I'll let you guys subtract that by the 800,000. With that in mind how many people were effected, in relation to the complete population of the United States of America, is a marginal number.

I'm sure you are aware of this, but there is a difference between a Government Shutdown, and a Government Default. During a Government Shutdown, debt continues to be paid and obligations met. In a Government Default, which we have not yet experienced in the United States, debts are not met and financial obligations are not met. Therefore I have no idea of what you are talking about, when you basically wrote that your extended family was going to suffer for this, which I don't understand how that could actually happen. Depending of your Federal Employment you are more then likely, being paid above the National Minimal Wage, this time you will have to wait for your paycheck. Since Nineteen Seventy Six the Federal Government has been shut down Seventeen Times, and each time Social Security checks were sent out, this would be Eighteenth Government shutdown in United States history. During each shutdown many citizens were inconvenienced, but Social Security checks Medicare and Law Enforcement obligations were continuously honored and maintained. Even in the event of a Governmental Shutdown, Social Security Beneficiaries will still find their checks in their mailboxes, and doctors and hospitals will receive Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. One reason Americans will get their entitlement checks: A Government Shutdown would not hit the operations of the United States Postal Service. Government agencies that the Treasury Department does not directly fund, like United States Postal Service, would be relatively unaffected in the short term by a shutdown. While some postal employees would very likely face furlough, but, it wouldn't be enough to completely close down the entire agency. There are many others that will continue as well, that are not intrinsically tied to each other. Generally speaking, nobody comes out looking clean when the government shuts down, regardless political affiliations are irrelevant anyway. All bureaucratic coalitions are monotonous, they state whatever the public wants to hear, they are two wings of the same eagle. The functions of government has always been to the beneficiary that helped them into their positions contrary to popular belief. This is situation is all about Medicare a socialist concept for a welfare nation that cannot afford it because of its ridiculously high debt which should tell you a lot about it. This is my way of saying, that this masquerade is absolutely redundant, the government will continue to function.

What historical inaccuracies and false assumptions, exactly, I'm sure there were many, I caught a few myself, I'm not sure what ones you are talking about specifically so I'm curious. Here is my main question, how important is the Petrodollar in reality, was it as important as he was making it out to be, because I only have a rudimentary knowledge of economics, so I can't say for certain. Which is why I was wanting a second opinion, in comparison to all the other factors involved in this political entanglement, It seems sort of insignificant in relation to other details. Hypothetically, if the Petrodollar was so important to the United States Hegemony why was France so eager to intervene, what would they gain from keeping the United States Dollar as the World Reserve Currency. Again if we look at the United Kingdom, they trade in Pounds or Euros depending on the situation, so I don't really understand whats their motive. To name a only few country's: Germany, Canada, Spain, Italy, and Poland with several others. Now Russia's and China's makes much more sense, to me at least, when in context of the video I posted, also it does leave out some rather crucial details. That he may have done on purpose, to keep it from being all over the place, such as the local history of the Middle Easts Religions, or Israels and Saudi Arabia's involvement, literally the bureaucracy over there is such a massive catastrophe. I think you could have a several hour long discourse, and still not cover everything, like the fact that almost everyone is supplying weapons to everyone else. That place has historically been a disaster since the Third Crusade, even before, if you go back to Alexander the Great. I sometimes think that it would be better, if everyone cut their loses, and left the region to its own devices and populations. Edit: If I recollect correctly, I believe that even though European countries exchange in their local currencies, or the Euro depending on the situation, the value of those currencies are based upon the value of the United States Dollar. Which might help explain why they would care about what happens to it, because if the Dollar devalues or is replaced they would get effected by it. Along with other factors, such as inflation and debt if you can't pay for what you are spending, but then again so would the all other Countries as it is the World Reserve Currency that everyone measures theirs by. Unless I am confusing this with something else, as it is easy to confuse with something else. P.S Awesome video by the way, connects everything together, I was originally going to Hyperlink it, but was concerned with the audio quality. It would be interesting to discover what is actually the defining feature here.

This is sort of weird time to respond to a comment that's about a month old, but your comment reminded me of a video I saw a long time ago. That also took me a long time to actually find, somewhere on YouTube, addressing the issue of the Blank Slate Theory which can arguably tread a fine line between Eugenics, Science and Hate Speech. The videos are in three parts, ten minutes each, totaling thirty minutes in total, I'm only going to be posting one. If you want to watch the rest you will have to find them on YouTube, I found that they covered the problems in that particular theory, and how it is often misused. Also on a related topic, your comment only further enforced the point I made a while back. "That It doesn't matter what is true or not, demonstrating once again that proof is not a synonym of truth, it is all conditional on the data you are willing to contain." I'm also going to be linking a video, that sort of expounds, the point of this thread, about the difference and relation between Hate Speech and Free Speech. I think most people regard Eugenics as the origin of Hate Speech so it's difficult to tell where one starts and ends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao8W2tPujeE

I found an interesting video on YouTube; I would like to see if I could get a second opinion on this matter, it's about a month old now, and he does basically examine everything we already know, then he attempts to put it together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRsAOKJhH8

I'm wondering why the buttons, and the general layout of this thing looks so complicated, the placement of the buttons appears like it would be difficult to use and would be uncomfortable for certain types of games. Also why would anyone buy this thing when the Xbox 360 and Dualshock controllers, are more then capable for current gaming, beside the SteamOS I can't really see a reason to do so. As for the Trackpad and Touchscreen, my own preference is I favor Analog Sticks myself, especially with Shooter Sticks in First Person View. However, some websites seem to be making the statements that this contraption will revolutionize, the way gaming will work. I think, please correct me if I am wrong; but didn't some controllers have Trackpads way back in the 90s, or am I remembering something else. Because if I recollect correctly, I am almost certain we had Virtual Reality Headsets back then too, like the Oculus Rift only much more technologically inefficient. There is one last thing I would like to point out as well, where is the Directional Pad on this thing, some games are better with one and even require one.

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Well, I must say this redundant education argument has been amusing, but I do believe I have found something more entertaining and interesting. This explains my point even further as to why, Democracy doesn't actually work, because of superfluous politics and bureaucracy. I sincerely hope that none of these laws actually exist, but from what I've read, there are still some laws on the books that are really weird and archaic. Which I think they need to remove as soon as possible, on account of them being totally ridiculous, and useless at the same time. To me this is beginning to look like a convoluted counterproductive endeavor; to validate a swollen governments pathetic employment. We really don't need laws for most of this stuff, if not all of them, some of them appear to be common sense or plain normal decency. When you couple this with some of the other, and I hate to use this word that way, retarded news stories of completely stupid situations. It really makes one wonder whats going on in society anymore, I feel as if all these laws were created for some weird entitlement civilization that can't handle irritation. Which to be honest, some of these laws, look like they were passed because of personal annoyances, rather than real legitimate problems. Then there are those that completely don't make any sense, whatsoever, in comparison to other really strange policy's and laws. That I will let you people decide for yourselves, what I happen to be talking about.

This post will be completely of topic as I would like to clarify what happened. I could not find my original post, due to some very weird page or website error, that I'm not quite sure what it was about. I thought I was linking back to my post, which it had stated it had been removed by a moderator, but after running some tests and going back through this entire thread. It appeared as if all the page numbers were scrambled, and everyone's posts were out of place. Which makes me believe it might have been either server side lag, or lag on my end, regardless, I'm going to be looking into that. Because I have never seen anything that weird before, and I would like to prevent a repeat of this embarrassing situation. My apologizes to Lisnpuppy, it was either entirely my fault, or the Internets fault. Also to further elaborate, what I mean by the pages were scrambled, was it appeared that posts and pages had been randomized. I only found out it was a bug, error, or some other problem; because when I came back all the threads posts had changed locations throughout this entire topic, which had actually massively confused me for a while. And to top it all off, here is my original post, not deleted, it was completely untouched, which makes me an idiot. Edit: The problem seems to have originated from a Mozilla Firefox plugin that allows the manipulation of scripts. After having disabled it, the problem seems to have corrected itself, so at least I know what caused my problem. P.S. I will be removing that section from my post above, to avoid any further complications, sorry again for any inconveniences I may have caused, which just goes to show, always be mindful of your source of information.

Thanks Harbringe, that is exactly what I was talking about, here is a list of extinct nations world wide, what type of government do people think they had. There is everything on this list from a Republic to Imperialism with everything else in between, there is not one difference between these governments when the ending result is completely the same. These nations were all a victim of the same thing: The Human Condition. Everything else is a symptom of a larger problem, this is such a massive topic you need to analyze it, then divide it down to its lowest common denominator, then attempt to chose what to you want to diagnose, if one tries to do so on the problem as a hole. You will face the same complication mathematicians have, and that is the obstacle of misconception, every time someone sees a issue, people should try to see the difference between the cause, the reaction, and the symptoms. A debate is pointless if everyone is not on the same page, therefore, I have no concept of what Colourwheel and everyone else is disputing, because it was merely a heuristic that was used to convey a botheration and a dilemma, which was in fact a technicality, that was mistaken for the actual argument. I happen to see this a lot in person and its annoying, and its because some people get attached to the technicality, because they somehow believed that it was the point that characterizes the issue, regardless of the intention of the writer happened to have in question. Anyway, at the moment there is certain several discussions that are running parallel to each other at the same time, that are nothing more then semantics and pedantics, that are being misconstrued as the quintessential foundation for the absolute problem of civilization. Which was distinguished as is Democracy on the Decline by the top title. Edit: I would like to expound my point, further by adding this Hyperlink here, which talks about political language.

You know, this is proverbially only me, but after reading several comments, I find a recurring theme and that is education. Which to be honest is a basically misnomer, it really doesn't matter what your taught but what you are willing to believe, some people seem to think that Democracy is literally the ultimate form of government and is the only one that can guide society to Plato's Utopian Fantasy and was probably the basis for most eugenics programs. Historically, every, single, government schematic, has not lasted more then a thousand years before the nation or culture collapses. All one would have to do, is look at how long most empires have lasted before they change to something completely different, in the hopes that the next one will work better. I would also like to add, that it doesn't really matter what government you have, for the simple reason being that Humans are the ones in control and you all know what that means. However if you would like to break down the problem even more, the Human Beings physiology and psychology is actually the problem, look at it this way, the more people a population has equals more variables to compute, adding more complexity to the problem to the point you have a big conundrum. To show exactly what I mean with this Hyperlink: If you happened to have three Humans in a room, there will be over six different opinions, withal here is the fundamental problem of all of them, which one is actually the correct one.

I think before you can say that whats declining, you need to accurately define what it is first. I think we'll find, that there is not much difference here between these, so what am I to assume about a Democracy. That it is somehow a composite of one or more schematics, but which ones are were to guess is the correct one, considering the framework that most people acknowledge as the reportedly appropriate definition of Democracy. To display an example, the Roman Empire was in actually all the above, that might seem contradictory but allow me to explain. Emperor Constantine was the sovereign of the Roman Empire, and at the same time held the title Pontifex Maximus, and the title Caesar, which means he was the High Priest and the Emperor, at the same time. Also Rome had a Parliamentary that was in the format of a Republic, with representatives of the people that could vote depending on your social status. This is were it gets interesting however; when Rome started, it was a Republic, then became a Democracy, and finally a Dictatorship. However it never changed its fundamental foundation principles, what I mean by that is, it still had, up until its collapse a senate that supposedly represented the people. Here is were is gets technical though, regardless of having a functioning senate, the Emperor had all the power, he could completely disregard the senate if he so desired. The Roman Empire all so had only one political party, with many wealthy families competing between themselves for prestige and power that their stations authorized, which makes it resemble a Monarchy and a Plutocracy to a certain degree. That's without even mentioning the spending the Roman Empire did on the public without absolutely owning businesses. Which is an amalgamation of socialism, capitalism, and communism with the way they operated their own economy, if we were to do it in modern politics. Now with all that established, this is why governments are a paradox, because you can have a republic that can be a dictatorship, which at the same time, have people who think they are free. I believe if you look thoroughly through out human history, you can begin to see a repeating pattern, with systems of governance being personally twisted. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin.

Putin in a letter to the NYT speaks directly to this point of America building hegemony in the world . In the letter there is a reference to the League of Nations and why it failed that i think is important . The Chinese a couple of weeks ago like wise issued a statement speaking to the same sentiment . This letter is an attempt by Putin to directly address the American people . Seeing as Speaker Boehner shut down the leaders of the Russian Duma (Parliament) from speaking to this in Congress (and the American people) . Americans should all read this , after all isn't hearing out what the other guy has to say, is what Democracy is supposed to be all about. You know, the more I think about it, the more the United States of America is beginning to resemble the Roman Empire in more ways then one. The Roman Empire was represented by an eagle, so is the United States, the Roman Empire was the largest superpower of its time, so is the United States, the Roman Empire had the largest and most powerful military in the world as does the United States. The Roman Empire had started out as a Republic, then became Democracy, the United States did as well. The Roman Empire had came into existence through rebellion against the Etruscan League, the United States came through rebellion against the British Empire. The Roman Empire had a senate and an Emperor, the Emperor couldn't act with out thee approval from most of the senators. The United States had fundamentally taken the senate concept, and, split it into the Congress the Senate and House of Representatives. However they still basically have the same function as the Roman Senate did, Roman senators represented the people of Rome and were suppose to keep the Emperors power in check. With the United States you have a President who needs congressional approval to do whatever he wants. Now that's all well and good, but what happens when the senators are bought off, like what happened with Caesar in the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire had a multiethnical and multicultural population that came from many other races and nations, the United States does as well the only real difference being how they acquired them, the Roman Empire had used slavery, so did the United States. I'm sure if i so desired, I could think of more comparisons, such as, has anyone noticed all our sports games are played inside Colosseums and Circuses, while most of our games resemble Gladiator and Olympic matches, without all the blood and gore but people still sometimes do occasionally die. The biggest comparison I can find though is that of where our military bases are stationed. Which makes me wonder why America is policing the world, when everyone else is just a capable: such as the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, Spain, Poland or anybody at all. Most nations are also fully capable of handling their own situation with out any help. The United States Military Map. :ermm: The Roman Empire Military Map. :ohmy: Anybody want to tell me whats wrong with this picture, considering this is the Information Age, not the Classical Age, whats the point. All these countries are so far removed from ours that they are thousands of miles away.

My apologies for the late reply, I had to change the second video as it wasn't the correct one I had in mind for this example, the first one is a scientific perspective the other one is religious, but basically its the Blank Slate Theory.

Thanks for confirming those sources, I've been trying to find out some more information, and I ran across a couple more articles. That paint a more complete picture of whats been occurring internationally, which is beginning to look like theres more going on then what we are being told. The following articles if assumed to be correct and accurate regarding the Dale Gavlak story are most disconcerting. Also about the chemical weapons that were supposedly used, napalm was used in also Vietnam which is a chemical agent, and people were gassed as well in Waco Texas by the United States Military which used it illegally against civilian targets, either intentionally or accidentally, and yet I don't see anyone complaining about what happened there. However I do distinctively remember about six months ago, there were news broadcasts about the Syrian rebels, whom had reportedly acquired chemical weapons. While I was searching through the Internet, I found this peculiar video, which I think most people have actually totally forgotten about. I am sure if you look through older archives you can find more instances of these arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJPxmAi2diU&feature=player_embedded So basically, we are going to invade a country to stop violence against its own people, by causing more violence from bombing and attacking them for other nations. Therefore should we remind certain people about the United States Humanitarian record in places like Falujah and countless other examples of Governmental Bureaucratic Assistants. Edit: The video is acting strange, if you're having sound problems, or other issues click on the YouTube link.