ArtMurder: Thanks for your reply, yeah discovered 'crossing over' body mods damage everything the hard way with Oblivion mods... only just trying out the modding stuff even though I have been playing Oblivion since 2007! Mainly because I have a PC that can handle it now (having 'done' everything that vanilla can throw at me on the xbox 360)... I think I will try out CBBE the desc states that it was made using HGEC as a reference point, trying out Skyrim mod usage as I have done everything within the xbox 360 version)... Thanks again :)