I just did the PC gamer equivalent of throwing the controller in disgust myself. I don't know why, but I can't seem to get 30 solid minutes out of the damn thing without a lockup or a CTD. The odd quest bug doesn't bother me, or at least not as much as they get under my skin in Dragon Age 2, which is more character driven, but the fact that I can't play more than 30 minutes to an hour without randomly crashing for no apparent reason and losing 5-10 minutes worth of progress if the autosave hadn't run in a while. And each crash happens somewhat differently. So I'm to the point where, after 6 years of bugs with Gamebryo, I don't think Bethesda is ready to even -try- making a new engine. I can't wait to see how buggy TES5 is. /fume