naomis8329

Good morning. I can see that you have, once again, been discussing meaningful and earth shattering topics once more..... Oh my mistake, wrong topic :woot:

Why what happened?...Oh yes I remember, I thought you were being humorous I found it quite funny really. Don't worry about hurting my feeling or anything if you need to vent on anyone i'm your man, I have a thick skin (guess that's one of the reasons they call me ironman) :thumbsup: You've confirmed it, you really have. Men only have ONE feeling. Now is that the one that goes with what happens in the trousers of said males or is it the one that relates to the tummy region.... Hmmmmm.... decisions, decisions :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You're definitely NOT helping :wallbash:

I'd get our screen wipes out for sure if you do that :D

Sweetheart I hate that word "crippled", you're not you are physically challenged or disabled, but you are most definitely nothing else. You have an amazing mind, an insight into yourself and others that would rival many a psychologist. I love how you look at things and find joy in something as wonderful as 3D TV :) Never lose that part of yourself I, for one, love it.

Does that qualify as having deep pockets?

I agree and have said similar earlier, education is the key. For me it shouldn't just be about guns and/or other weApons, it should also include some sort of education with regard to a moral and ethical code including, but not limited to, right and wrong, handling certain events or confrontations. Role play could also play a part here enabling kids to act out a given scenario and then discussing the rights and wrongs of their interpretation. Whilst the above would wok for older children younger ones must receive education in the difference between right and wrong. How to behave acceptably, how to get help on different situations, whom to go to, the right way to do things. Kids need grounding in the basics before we add to it. Learning about the proper way to handle guns, the correct usage, storage and when a gun should be used as a last resort. The education system is stretched as it is but it mUst take up the slack and teach those who aren't getting the guidance they need from family.

If it was made compulsory that, if you buy a gun, you must also purchase gun insurance then that would surely make people think twice on two fronts: 1. whether they actually NEED a weapon 2. the costs regarding the purchase of both In the UK the police enforce the insurance of cars rigorously. The penalties are severe with the car often being inpounded and/or crushed, the driver being heavily fined and having points issued on their driving licence. You often see the licence and tax vans on major roads and at junctions all around the UK. These vehicles are equipped with tracking equipment that can nearly instantaneously ascertain which vehicles are taxed and insured and which are not. Police vehicles then stop the cars that do not have the above requirements and the drivers are processed instantly. This crackdown has ensured that the majority of cars on the roads are now properly insured and taxed, there are of course, a few that are not but that number reduces every year. If the same type of things were applied in the US surely they could be policed as rigorously as here? If purchasing a weapon, then surely having to purchase insurance at the same time could act as a "hey do I really need to have this as well as......" type of thing. Surely rates could be kept at a reasonable rate to encourage people to purchase insurance to safeguard against accidental shootings, or in case a weapon is stolen or taken by a third party with either legal or illegal access to the house. If a weapon is stolen and then reported as such to the relevant authorities, then the insurance would not necessarily be used if the gun was discharged during a felony? I hope I'm making sense here and the at you can follow my reasoning :)

I think I've left mine lying around somewhere as I have no idea where it is :D

The likes of Ghogiel has outright stated that you will need luck on your side strolling in the wrong part of towns and cities at night in the UK for if not you may well be getting your head kicked in. I've been stabbed. A mate of mine was stabbed, robbed and had a punctured lung about 50m from where I was cut. Won't bee seeing many guns though. :) Luckily I have never been threatened with any weapon, just beaten in my own home. A place I should have been safe. I think Ginnyfizz was saying that had I been in the US, she would have supported me if I had used a gun and killed the guy for what he did to me. I lived in Manchester for a number of years and used to stroll through the city without a care in the world, especially the back streets to get to China Town. I never felt threatened nor unsafe. I was never approached by anyone and thoroughly enjoyed window shopping in the less "savory" parts of the city. Looking back I suppose I was very foolhardy as anything could have happened to me and if my children did something similar, I would ground them until they were 30 :) My daughters regularly go to London (as do I) and I worry incessantly about them, but nothing ever happens and they could get hurt here in Chester just as easily. Sometimes I think we fixate on the bad things to the exclusion of everything else which is not good. We really should look to change if we want things to improve both here in the UK and over the pond in the US. I may not live there but I keep up with policies, laws and regulations that are under consideration. If I don't understand then I research or ask those who can assist me. I am not a political animal, but I am a parent, a grand parent and, I hope, a responsible member of society. I'm not saying I'm lily white because, unfortunately, I'm not, but I do know right from wrong and I do learn from my own and other's mistakes. The tragedy of Sandy Hook and Dunblaine should be used as an educational tool. It should be recognised as a tragedy brought about by disturbed individuals who had access to automatic and non automatic weapons. It should also be be recognised that even if these weapons had not been legally owned, if the perpetrators wanted these types of weapons, then they would have gotten their hands on them some how. Any type of gun reform, no matter where it is being discussed needs to consist of a number of things. 1. The restriction of access to certain types of weapons. 2. The education of all as to the use and proper treatment of such weapons. 3. Proper penalties for weapon abuses. 4. Proper penalties against those who sell these weapons illegally. 5. Insurance being required by anyone who owns or sells guns in the event of unlawful killing by either themselves or a member of the public who has access to them. Proper deterrents will make people think twice. Proper sentences for the commission of crimes must also be enforced, and proper policing of the internet and reading materials to ensure that weapons are not being sold illegally must also be enforced. On saying all of this however, if someone wants to kill somebody else they will, if they can find a way. I guess at the end of the day it is up to us, members of the public, to remain vigilant and report any abuses of the law to the proper authorities.

Pooky bear? :) Fluff? A hole? A.... no can't say that :woot: :wacko: :teehee: Last Monday's Lasagne leftovers? Not quite but close :D

Pooky bear? :) Fluff? A hole? A.... no can't say that :woot: :wacko: :teehee:

Whilst I would love to agree Colour, unless this stays in the public eye and remains a top story, there will be other more "meaningful" debates around in two years and this tragedy will have been forgotten, lost in the annals of time and space. I don't mean that disrespectfully, just a matter of fact. Two years in politics is a life time and other things will be more important. People will have moved on, the horror of these children's deaths will have subsided and the whole situation put down to a tragic mistake on the part of whomever and life will have moved on. It will more than likely be the state of the nation, the financial difficulties of the many, or some war or other that will be uppermost in congress's or people's mind by then. The deaths of 26 people will no longer be at the fore front of the Nation's thinking, time will have marched on and the Constitution will be safe from reform. Whilst you have people thinking and believing more about their "Constitutional Rights" than the rights and safety of others, nothing will ever change. The selfishness of the Constitution will reign supreme and more people will die as a result. In the UK assault weapons are banned, however, an advertisement was discovered in a gun magazine selling these weapons in the UK. I'm amazed that legislation was passed but no one is policing the sale of weapons of any description. What a joke. That does not mean I do not feel that certain weapons should not be readily available to the public. Why does a normal member of the public need an assault rifle? Why does a normal member of the public need an automatic or semi-automatic weapon? Are rats, cockroaches or other animals such a nuisance that they need wiping out with such things? To me those kinds of weapons should only be used by the army national or domestic not the general public. Illegal gun traders need to face stiffer penalties and reform must be made to safe guard out children and those unable to defend themselves from those who can purchase such weapons. Whilst the thought of this is wonderful, one must also be mindful that if a gun is not available there are other weapons available for sale for example hunting knives, axes etc. These are just as lethal and may one day need such reforms also, however if legislation is passed that the carrying of any such lethal weapon is illegal in public except by those whose job necessitates the carrying of such a weapon ie a gun, nothing will stop the type of tragedy that occurred at Sandy Hook. This is of course, my own opinion and may or may not have any bearing here. I do live in the UK even though I am an American citizen. I have never been confronted by an armed assailant although I was beaten up in my own home by someone who broke in intent on doing me physical harm. If there is a will there is most definitely a way, we need to educate our children into believing that threatening behaviour is not the way to resolve disputes or make a point. We also need to teach out children and others that we need to think of others as well as ourselves and become a more caring and thoughtful race.

I hope you can as I'm at a loss as to how you guys do it :) I'm off to my bed. Speak to you all tomorrow. Oh and if anyone knows which follower mod is better ie aft or UFO can you pm me? I also need something that'll let me have more than one follower. UFO only lets you have one but the options for followers seem quite in depth . Have done that much reading my head's about to explode ergo any advice would be welcome. Nite nite ya'll xxxxx

I always seem to end up coming on when there is nudity or questionable body parts being mentioned :woot:

Honey, it could have been worse, you could've been thrown out of the house with no clothes on :whistling: :P

Good Grief, sounds more like the Gastapo than a military unit... oh wait they were wont they :facepalm: Anyway you know what I mean yes. You've done nothing wrong except make a few extra quid and helped out your gf, can't see whey they would look at that as being a problem. Honestly red tape and beaurocracy what a crock. You'll get through I'm sure honey :D

@lv000 Thank you honey. Will sort it now @Werne You ok honey??

Thank you honey. Will look forward to it :D

That is great thank you. Can anyone create a little gizmo that can do a countdown that we can put in our sigs.... no excuse not to know then is there :D

Lol. I checked my statements yesterday and nearly fainted when I totted up the amount of money I spent on everyone. I know I saved like crazy and put money away for the season, but wow it still didn't hit me till I looked at it. It was great giving everyone a superb Christmas and New Year, especially after what was going on, but gosh I really will have to start saving again to make up for the shortfall in my savings accounts and my credit card lol. How many days till Christmas, does anyone know???

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It means the same there but isn't thought of as being an insult in any way. I've always liked the term "fanny pack" my mother got me one when I went over to Florida for a visit back in 2001. They are handy but the material was not great as it made me perspire something rotten :)

Isn't it our moral obligation and duty to look after our children and others? How many more disasters, massacres and deaths must happen before people all over the US stand up and say "No more!"? In the UK "Yes" if someone wants to find a weapon they can, but the penalties over here are becoming higher as a result. Just to be caught carrying a lethal weapon is a mandatory sentence of 5 years, no excuses, no passing go, no collection £200. Murder is a mandatory 15 years to life unless there are mitigating circumstances eg self defence etc. We have no death penalty and I must admit that I, for one, would definitely vote for the re-introduction of the death sentence for the killing of children and policemen and women. The death sentence to me should be implemented without question for any killer of a child or police person. We all too often are softer on the criminal than the victim, we let the criminal have more rights than the victim, the human rights of the criminal come before those of the victim often to the extent of when that victim is dead and therefore no longer has any rights as they were stripped from them by the offender. Where is our moral code then? Why do we continue to allow these atrocities? What deterants can be put into place to stop these atrocities? When are we going to stop fighting fire with fire and learn from the mistakes of the past? Without reform there can be no safety for others, without a change in one's constitutional rights there can be no safety for ourselves and our families, without compromise there can be no way forward and the offender will win every time. The time has come for Rights to take a back seat and for us to do what's Right for the sake of all.

You have just proved the points I was trying to make