Skyrim Saves starting out at around 6 to 8MBs.

[tnu]

Is this normal for a modded install of Skyrim? this seems quite large for a new game just being made. If anybody could point me in the right direction of if maybe certain mods are cuasignthis or if this is just normal it would be greatly appriciated.

 

My laod order is thus.

 

Masters for: Save 227 - Shido Kage Prison Cell 00.08.31.ess

 

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Dawnguard.esm

03  HearthFires.esm

04  Dragonborn.esm

05  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.3.2c]

06  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.2]

07  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]

08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]

09  Chesko_Frostfall.esp

0A  AK- Placeable Statics.esp

0B  AK- Placeable Statics - Hearthfire.esp

0C  craftablegold.esp

0D  craftingplusv2.esp

0E  craftplusweaponssteam.esp

++  Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp

0F  shrewsburyskyrimcookbook.esp

10  smeltdown_ingots_osr.esp

11  smelting mod by soto.esp

12  RaceMenu.esp

13  RaceMenuPlugin.esp

14  WetandCold.esp

15  WetandCold - Ashes.esp

16  SkyUI.esp

17  DragonSoulConverter.esp

18  Melt_Down_Everything.esp

19  Lock Overhaul.esp

1A  DeadlyDragons.esp

1B  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.2]

1C  When Vampires Attack.esp  [Version 1.0.2]

1D  wizDynamicThings.esp

1E  Customizable weights.esp

1F  Command Dragon.esp

20  BatTravel.esp

21  Sneak Tools.esp

22  Sit Anywhere.esp

23  DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp

24  EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

25  EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp

26  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.3a]

27  CharacterMakingExtender.esp

28  EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

29  Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp

2A  Atlas Map Markers.esp

2B  Atlas Blackreach.esp

2C  Atlas Dawnguard.esp

2D  Atlas Dragonborn.esp

2E  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

2F  alchemy_ingredient_recipes.esp

30  craftable gemstones.esp

31  LightElderScrolls.esp

32  SellThoseElderScrolls.esp

33  WearableElderScrolls.esp

34  SKMP.esp

35  SleepingDangers-SandsofTime.esp

36  SOT_ViljaPatch.esp

 

 

I'm experiancing a lot of instability even with a tweaked INI. and i'm thinking it may be due to save bloat.is there anyone who could help me pinpoint it?

[Georgiegril]

6 MB is not large, it's quite normal for early in the game, and you should expect to get around 15 MB. However, "instability even with ini tweaks" suggests you are having problems--probably related to mods or said tweaks.

 

Can you describe with more detail what problem you are having? Is it related to any particular action, place, time? Has it always been a problem, and if not, what changes in your game just before the problem appeared?

 

Please replace your mod list with the BOSS log text file, and enclose in spoilers. If you are not using BOSS that could be the problem.

You can get BOSS here. Its a regular program not a mod.

 

Also please copy/paste your prefs.ini and ini files (enclosed in spoiler tags) Your game specs-- Game version, game settings, if you use the workshop or NMM for mods, or both, and how you launch.

And your computer specs-- processor, RAM GPU, VRAM, graphics driver version.

[tnu]

6 MB is not large, it's quite normal for early in the game, and you should expect to get around 15 MB. However, "instability even with ini tweaks" suggests you are having problems--probably related to mods or said tweaks.

 

Can you describe with more detail what problem you are having? Is it related to any particular action, place, time? Has it always been a problem, and if not, what changes in your game just before the problem appeared?

 

General instability. Crashes rather often, scripts don't seem to be working properly (Frostfall is reporitng heavy lag in the games scripting or something) saves becoming corrupt and causign crash on load errors,

 

Please replace your mod list with the BOSS log text file, and enclose in spoilers. If you are not using BOSS that could be the problem.

You can get BOSS here. Its a regular program not a mod.

 

 

 

BOSS

Version 2.1.1

 

 

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Summary

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Plugin Type Count

Recognised (or sorted by user rules) 58

Unrecognised 9

Inactive 12

All 67

 

 

Plugin Message Type Count

Warning 1

Error 0

All 13

 

 

* Your masterlist is already at the latest revision (r6981; 2013-05-28). No update necessary.

* No change in recognised plugin list since last run.

* Note: Latest BOSS thread ("http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1457307-relz-boss-for-skyrim/")

* Note: The BOSS team has been overwhelmed with the popularity of submissions of unrecognised plugins from the BOSS Log and the number of outstanding unique submissions. As of 26 April 2013 we are at over 5500+ plugins to add to the Masterlist dating as far back as September 2012. If you are interested in helping to get these plugins added to BOSS's masterlist, please PM Aellis (Bethesda Softworks Forums ("http://forums.bethsoft.com/user/364024-aellis/") or Nexus Mods ("http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?showuser=65745/")).

* Note: Your SKSE is up-to-date.

 

 

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SKSE Plugins

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SKSE Version: 0.1.6.13

 

CharacterMakingExtender_plugin.dll

 

Fuz Ro D'oh.dll Version: 5.1.6.112

 

SKSE_Elys_Uncapper.dll Version: 1.15.0.0

 

Smart Souls.dll Version: 9.0.6.405

 

 

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Recognised Plugins

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These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

 

Skyrim.esm Active

 

Update.esm Active

* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

* Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").

 

 

Dawnguard.esm Active

* Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").

* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

 

 

HearthFires.esm Active

* Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").

 

 

Dragonborn.esm Active

* Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").

 

 

HighResTexturePack01.esp

 

HighResTexturePack02.esp

 

HighResTexturePack03.esp

 

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

 

 

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active

* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

 

 

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active

 

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active

* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

 

 

Chesko_Frostfall.esp Active

 

AK- Placeable Statics.esp Active

* Contains dirty edits: 7 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").

 

 

AK- Placeable Statics - Hearthfire.esp Active

 

craftablegold.esp Active

 

craftingplusv2.esp Active

 

craftplusweaponssteam.esp Active

 

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

 

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp

* Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch ("http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/26230"))

 

 

shrewsburyskyrimcookbook.esp Active

 

smeltdown_ingots_osr.esp Active

 

smelting mod by soto.esp Active

 

the woodcutter.esp

 

Mart's Savegame DeBloatifier.esp

 

RaceMenu.esp Active

 

RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active

* Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.

 

 

WetandCold.esp Active

 

WetandCold - Ashes.esp Active

 

SkyUI.esp Active

 

DragonSoulConverter.esp Active

 

Melt_Down_Everything.esp Active

 

Lock Overhaul.esp Active

 

DeadlyDragons.esp Active

* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

 

 

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

 

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

 

When Vampires Attack.esp Active

 

SleepingDangers-SandsofTime.esp Active

 

wizDynamicThings.esp Active

 

Customizable weights.esp Active

 

enchanting freedom.esp

 

Command Dragon.esp Active

 

BatTravel.esp Active

 

Sneak Tools.esp Active

 

Sit Anywhere.esp Active

 

DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp Active

 

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp Active

 

EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp Active

 

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active

 

CharacterMakingExtender.esp Active

 

EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp Active

 

Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp Active

 

Atlas Map Markers.esp Active

 

Atlas Blackreach.esp Active

 

Atlas Dawnguard.esp Active

 

Atlas Dragonborn.esp Active

 

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

 

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

 

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Unrecognised Plugins

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The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed.

 

alchemy_ingredient_recipes.esp Active

 

craftable gemstones.esp Active

 

LightElderScrolls.esp Active

 

SellThoseElderScrolls.esp Active

 

soulgemcrafting.esp

 

weapon smelting.esp

 

WearableElderScrolls.esp Active

 

SKMP.esp Active

 

SOT_ViljaPatch.esp Active

 

 

 

 

Also please copy/paste your prefs.ini and ini files (enclosed in spoiler tags) Your game specs-- Game version, game settings, if you use the workshop or NMM for mods, or both, and how you launch.

And your computer specs-- processor, RAM GPU, VRAM, graphics driver version.

 

 

INI

 

 

[General]

sLanguage=ENGLISH

bUseThreadedTempEffects=1

bUseThreadedParticleSystem=1

bMultiThreadMovement=1

bUseThreadedMorpher=1

 

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

 

[Display]

fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0

fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0

fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

bAllowScreenshot=1

 

[Audio]

fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0

fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

 

[Grass]

bAllowCreateGrass=1

bAllowLoadGrass=0

 

[GeneralWarnings]

SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

 

[Archive]

sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

 

[Combat]

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

 

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0

bEnableLogging=0

bEnableTrace=0

bLoadDebugInformation=0

fUpdateBudgetMS=800.0

fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800.0

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0

iMinMemoryPageSize=2000

iMaxMemoryPageSize=255

iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=153600

 

[Water]

bReflectLODObjects=1

bReflectLODLand=1

bReflectSky=1

bReflectLODTrees=1

 

[backgroundLoad]

bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=1

bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=1

bUseMultiThreadedFaceGen=1

bBackgroundCellLoads=1

bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1

bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1

bUseBackgroundFileLoader=1

 

[Animation]

bMultiThreadBoneUpdate=1

 

[HAVOK]

iNumThreads=5

 

 

Prefs INI

 

 

[General]

fBrightLightColorB=1.0000

fBrightLightColorG=1.0000

fBrightLightColorR=1.0000

iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1

bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0

bUseThreadedParticleSystem=1

bUseThreadedBlood=1

bUseThreadedMorpher=1

bUseThreadedTempEffects=1

bUseThreadedTextures=1

bUseThreadedMeshes=1

bUseThreadedLOD=1

bUseThreadedAI=1

bUseThreadedMorpher=1

[imagespace]

bDoDepthOfField=1

iRadialBlurLevel=0

[Display]

iBlurDeferredShadowMask=0

fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000

fShadowDistance=2000.0000

iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

iShadowSplitCount=2

iMaxAnisotropy=1

fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=3600.0000

fGamma=1.0000

fDecalLOD2=1500.0000

fDecalLOD1=1000.0000

fSpecularLODStartFade=200.0000

fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000

fLightLODStartFade=200.0000

iTexMipMapMinimum=0

iTexMipMapSkip=1

iWaterMultiSamples=0

iMultiSample=1

iShadowMode=3

bTreesReceiveShadows=0

bDrawLandShadows=0

bFull Screen=0

iSize H=600

iSize W=800

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000

fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=3072.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=4096.0000

iScreenShotIndex=2

bShadowMaskZPrepass=0

bMainZPrepass=0

iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=0

iMaxDecalsPerFrame=0

bFloatPointRenderTarget=0

sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS "

bFXAAEnabled=0

iShadowMapResolution=512

fShadowBiasScale=0.5000

iShadowMaskQuarter=4

iAdapter=0

iPresentInterval=0

iShadowFilter=3

bShadowsOnGrass=1

bTransparencyMultisampling=0

bDeferredShadows=1

bDrawShadows=1

[Grass]

b30GrassVS=1

fGrassStartFadeDistance=0.0000

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

[MAIN]

bGamepadEnable=1

bCrosshairEnabled=1

fHUDOpacity=1.0000

bSaveOnPause=1

bSaveOnTravel=1

bSaveOnWait=1

bSaveOnRest=1

fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000

[GamePlay]

bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1

bShowQuestMarkers=1

iDifficulty=0

[interface]

bDialogueSubtitles=1

bGeneralSubtitles=1

fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000

bShowCompass=1

[Controls]

fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000

fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125

bAlwaysRunByDefault=1

bInvertYValues=0

bGamePadRumble=1

bMouseAcceleration=1

bUseKinect=0

[Particles]

iMaxDesired=750

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000

[AudioMenu]

fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000

fVal7=1.0000

uID7=0

fVal6=1.0000

uID6=0

fVal5=1.0000

uID5=0

fVal4=1.0000

uID4=0

fVal3=1.0000

uID3=94881

fVal2=0.4000

uID2=466532

fVal1=1.0000

uID1=554685

fVal0=0.8000

uID0=1007612

[Clouds]

fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000

fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000

fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000

fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000

[TerrainManager]

fTreeLoadDistance=12500.0000

fBlockMaximumDistance=75000.0000

fBlockLevel1Distance=25000.0000

fBlockLevel0Distance=15000.0000

fSplitDistanceMult=0.4000

bShowLODInEditor=0

[NavMesh]

fObstacleAlpha=0.5000

fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000

fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500

fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000

fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500

fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000

fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000

fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500

fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000

fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000

fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000

fEdgeThickness=10.0000

fPointSize=2.5000

bUseThreadedMeshes=1

[Trees]

bRenderSkinnedTrees=1

uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20

bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1

bShadowMaskZPrePass=1

[Decals]

uMaxDecals=0

bDecals=0

bSkinnedDecals=0

uMaxSkinDecals=0

uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=0

bDecalMultithreaded=1

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultObjects=2.5000

fLODFadeOutMultItems=1.0000

fLODFadeOutMultActors=2.5000

fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection=1

bShowAllResolutions=0

uLastAspectRatio=1

[blurShaderHDR]

bDoHighDynamicRange=0

[blurShader]

bUseBlurShader=0

[Water]

iWaterReflectHeight=512

iWaterReflectWidth=512

bUseWaterDisplacements=1

bUseWaterRefractions=1

bUseWaterReflections=1

bUseWaterDepth=1

[backgroundLoad]

bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=1

bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=1

bUseMultiThreadedFaceGen=1

bBackgroundCellLoads=1

bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1

bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1

 

 

 

Version: 1.9.32.0

Settings: Low Quality windowed mode.

 

most of my mods are nexus but some are Steam Workshop.

 

I launch with SKSE.

 

 

AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor that runs abt about 4.0 GHz

 

 

OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600)

 

RAM 16 GB though due to my OS its only registeirng abotu three GB.

 

 

Video Card: GeForce 8400 GS

[Georgiegril]

If I understand you, you are using Windows with XP with integrated graphics, and you are using the lowest possible settings...

 

Option 1: At the very least...

 

The first thing I would do is remove the multi-threading forces in your ini files.

I could be wrong, but I don't think they are going to be helpful with your hardware and OS, and they might be making your situation worse.

 

Then I would make sure to use the native resolution for your monitor, not try to force another resolution through windowed mode (if that is what you are doing)

 

Then I would disable the official hi-res textures. Your graphics card is below minimum specs, and even people with more powerful graphics cards sometime find they make the game laggy.

 

Option 2: (My preferred option) But honestly...

It seems like a lot of things you have done have been to address problems (like the threading tweaks and the save game cleaner)--but they may have just make the situation more complicated without actually helping.

So...

I would start an clean installation and a new game, with complete defaults.

No hi-res textures, no mods (except alternate start, if you want to use it)

Make sure to disable FXAA and AO.

 

THEN,

read carefully any mod or tweak you are considering. Look especially for low-res options.

Add one or two at a time, run BOSS and play a bit for stability. If there is a problem, address it immediately. Do not continue adding things or playing until you are sure you are stable.

Then add a couple more, repeat the process.

I also would not use the workshop at all. Workshop mods will update (or be removed) without your permission, and that can break your game. Since you are trying to urge a stable game out of a below-specs system, I think you wil benefit from not having changes made without your knowledge and control.

 

If you are trying to take some of the weight off your drivers, you might try forcing physx onto the CPU (You can do that in the NVidia CP PhysX area). May or may not help, though I think more likely to be useful when the GPU is much worse than the CPU.

 

When making changes with the ini files, make sure to have a backup. Then I would look for ways to lower the game's resource requirements, rather than try to force more power out of your hardware.

This is an old guide, but it does have some good info on tweaks for low-end systems and how they will effect your game.

[tnu]

But...the high resolution pack IS disabled. Unless it requires mroe then disabling the ESPs to disable that perticulR MOD. aS FOR MY NATIVE RESOLUTION i'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD BE. i HAVE IT SET TO 800x600 because thats the easiest for me to see with my eyesight problems
As for MultiThreaded Forces is that anything with "MultiThread" in the name?

Edited May 29, 2013 by tnu

[blitzen]

I didn't think you could run Skyrim on that video card. But since you are running with 32-bit windows (I assume), make sure that you have enabled the 3 GB switch, or you are going to have game crashes from the 2 GB RAM limit. And get some monitoring tools, such as GPU-Z or Skyrim Monitor so that you don't have to guess if a resource is hitting a hard limit. You will know. Edited May 28, 2013 by blitzen

[Georgiegril]

I'm sorry I missed the hi-res textures thing.

Unfortunately your post is not all readable; that sometimes happens with the fast edit.

Would you mind opening and then closing it again in the full editor? That should take care of it.

[tnu]

fixed it sorry I don't know how that happened. i'll take a look at the guide. oddly enough the video crd and maybe the OS are the only thigns that are really "low end" about my computer.but yeah I should have looked in to what those ini tweaks were for.

[Georgiegril]

By multithreading, I meant the tweaks you added--the new lines related to multithreading. I don't recall any default ini lines that relate to multithreading, but there are a few other "multi" lines (like multisample) so you will want to look at the default in the data folder, just to be sure.

 

The post formatting thing...not your fault, it's a glitch with the forum. It's happened to me a few times, that's how I knew how to fix it.

 

Yes, your CPU seems quite nice. Sadly this game relies a lot more on the GPU. That was why I suggested seeing if forcing physx to your cpu might help.

My card is not much newer than yours...I'm hoping for some cashflow sometime soon!

[tnu]

how would I force physx to my CPU?