"The Truth" commercials

[evilkoal]

but yeah, i (and i am sure a lot more people) would like to see the research to back up the claims that these commercials make. i wonder if there is any way to make the government display the credentials for their claims.

Why would they start doing that now?

 

As for the confusion, the reason why the claims are so broad is because they are often not mentioning or targeting any single drug. Instead they target the idea of people letting their friends decide everything about them, or turning to drugs instead of looking for more positive outlets.

 

i have no idea, because everything that government based organizations seem to say nowadays have nothing to back them up.

 

in the commercials that i see theyusually directly target marijuana whose active ingredient, THC, is harmless to the human body if it is not smoked or ingested in extremely large quantities.

 

i just think it is unfair that they can say things like "pot hurts everyone around you" and not give a single reason why.

 

 

you know PETA stands for "People who Eat and Torture Animals" right? lmao

[Birrii]

Hmm, that's not new to me.

In Norway they always tell that "try the new Swiffer duster, because it's better and the old one is bad for the human" and that stuff.

But they are very tricky, you see. they make their products more infamous, or just some random.

Well, I don't have any problem with this though, now that I always ignore commercials on the TV. the only thing that annoys me when we're talking about commercials, is that they always need to make a commercial break right in a movie, and it always ruins the excite of the movie.

 

 

Birrii

[PureSnipe]

ehh, they play alot down here in california.

 

i dont know why some parts of our government work the way they do. who even voted for them to run that way? they should be impeached hahaha.

It's a document called the Constitution. Let me paraphrase the tenth amendment for you:

Those powers not delegated to the federal government are restricted to that of the state.

Translation:

If the Constitution says the government can't do it, then it's up to the states to decide.

Here in Texas, we see very few of those commercials, but then again, I rarely watch TV. But let's be honest here. If a kid, pothead, crackhead, meth addict, heroin addict, whatever, sees the commercial and is just presented with the facts, how many of them are going to roll their eyes and say "that isn't going to happen to me?" I know for a FACT that at least 95% of them do, for that's how friends of mine that I know are abusers react to seeing that stuff. It's an attempt, no matter how stupid or futile, to keep people from straying down the wrong path. And something about pot, guys? It reduces testosterone levels. I don't think I need to get into the details of what that causes. I'll even get a medical report that someone found for me to give to some pothead friends of mine. Now, I'm in no way shape or form defending the commercials, because frankly, I think they're stupid too.

 

ATI is run by National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, a special interest group. IT IS NOT the government.

 

Now that I've briefly touched every aspect of this, if I need to go more in depth, do let me know. I've got a copy of the Constitution saved as a text file on my phone.

[IxionInc]

Has anyone else seen the new one that they are crapping out about steroids? The one that says "Use steroids and everyone will know what you really are. A fake, a fraud, an asterisk. Don't be an asterisk." Downright pathetic.. And where in the nine hells did they get the whole asterisk thing from?

 

They really need to stop airing these things, they make my head spin. Especially since in Oklahoma, there are more severe things, such as meth, that are worse than pot and 'roids.

 

Also, in all honesty, if your going to do drugs and all that other junk, do it in MODERATION. Emphasis on that big word. Be smart about it, don't over-indulge. That's the reason why these people wind up turning into feral beasts. They succumb to their primal urges, and let it take over. And what irks me about it is that it's the stupid people who do that, people who are extremely weak. Just because some idiot decided to light up a joint, and then run over ten people in a car, doesn't mean every pot smoker does. The same goes with school uniforms. Just beacuse some moronic thug want-to-be wants to join a gang and get shot for wearing blue doesn't mean everybody wearing a blue shirt is in that gang and is that STUPID!!! >:( >:( >:(

 

But, then again, what is my word going to make a difference, other than proving a point? I mean, the First Ammendment states freedom of speech, and freedom of press.. So they're not going to take those commercials off the air.. But honestly, I wish they would, because they are simply stressing the same point over and over, and it is not reaching anybody. They should conserve their money for... cuddly kittens, or a cure for cancer.. or whatever..

 

ARRGH! Discussions like these always fire me up so much, and it makes me feel like i'm the only sensible one around.. :wallbash:

 

And for those of you with paranoia, I am NOT advocating any of these substances in any way.

[PureSnipe]

Would you rather them not do anything at all?

 

Let me relate this to something that is a little easier to understand. On 99% of go-karts, and racing karts, there's a governor that can be adjusted to prevent certain speeds.

 

Now, what is responsible if the kart gets in a wreck? The driver or the speed? Speed contributes to the damage done, but it's operator error that caused it. If you regulate the speed, when/if they wreck, it does less.

And just because meth is popular where you live doesn't make it that popular everywhere. Weed is the most commonly used illegal drug, and is usually a stepping stone onto "harder" drugs.

 

And frankly, I don't give a flying *edit* how much you want to use. It's illegal. That's the big issue. Saying to use an illegal substance in moderation would be the same as saying to rob places in moderation, or any other crime for that matter. A crime is a crime is a crime, and is to be treated as such.

[evilkoal]

but most of the things are only illegal because of religious fundamentalists that shouldnt have a bit to do with government in the first place according to the separation of church and state thing. so in the minds of a LOT of people, not just people i know, that makes the entire thing null.

 

It's a document called the Constitution. Let me paraphrase the tenth amendment for you:

Those powers not delegated to the federal government are restricted to that of the state.

Translation:

If the Constitution says the government can't do it, then it's up to the states to decide.

Here in Texas, we see very few of those commercials, but then again, I rarely watch TV. But let's be honest here. If a kid, pothead, crackhead, meth addict, heroin addict, whatever, sees the commercial and is just presented with the facts, how many of them are going to roll their eyes and say "that isn't going to happen to me?" I know for a FACT that at least 95% of them do, for that's how friends of mine that I know are abusers react to seeing that stuff. It's an attempt, no matter how stupid or futile, to keep people from straying down the wrong path. And something about pot, guys? It reduces testosterone levels. I don't think I need to get into the details of what that causes. I'll even get a medical report that someone found for me to give to some pothead friends of mine. Now, I'm in no way shape or form defending the commercials, because frankly, I think they're stupid too.

 

i know why they run that way, i was talking about why the people that enact these rules are in power, i was thinking it would be read more like "why are the dumbasses that are in power in power in the first place? why are people stupid enough to vote for them?". sorry i wasnt clear enough

 

Would you rather them not do anything at all?

in fact, yes, i would very much like for them not to push their religious fundamentalist views on the rest of the united states. it is their body, they should be able to completely fxck up their body as far as they want. if they cant handle it, i shouldnt have to pay for an anti drug program or rehab or whatever just because they dont know how to moderate anything they do. it isnt my fault, why should i have to pay for it? i shouldnt.

 

i also shouldnt have to pay for people to live out of my pocket. i completely disagree with the entire concept of welfare, and all such programs. your problems have nothing to do with me, i am NOT going to give YOU MY money so that YOU can spend it on things I want. like that lady that has been all over the news with her 8 babies, i could give a crap less what happens to her, i shouldnt have to support her stupidity or her children. if she cant take care of them, that sucks. its called survival of the fittest, get used to it or die.

 

i would expect the same rules to apply to everyone, no matter who you were. if you are the president of the united states, you can *censored* it all day, drink and do crack for all i care as long as you keep it in moderation. if you overdose, oh freaking well, we get a new president or whatever the case may be.

 

but no, we are stuck in a degenerative state, helping all the lazy people become even more lazy, and that is keeping the achievers down. i mean, a superstar track runner isnt going to run his peak with a homeless person hanging off his back is he? obviously not.

[PureSnipe]

but most of the things are only illegal because of religious fundamentalists that shouldnt have a bit to do with government in the first place according to the separation of church and state thing. so in the minds of a LOT of people, not just people i know, that makes the entire thing null.

 

It's a document called the Constitution. Let me paraphrase the tenth amendment for you:

Those powers not delegated to the federal government are restricted to that of the state.

Translation:

If the Constitution says the government can't do it, then it's up to the states to decide.

Here in Texas, we see very few of those commercials, but then again, I rarely watch TV. But let's be honest here. If a kid, pothead, crackhead, meth addict, heroin addict, whatever, sees the commercial and is just presented with the facts, how many of them are going to roll their eyes and say "that isn't going to happen to me?" I know for a FACT that at least 95% of them do, for that's how friends of mine that I know are abusers react to seeing that stuff. It's an attempt, no matter how stupid or futile, to keep people from straying down the wrong path. And something about pot, guys? It reduces testosterone levels. I don't think I need to get into the details of what that causes. I'll even get a medical report that someone found for me to give to some pothead friends of mine. Now, I'm in no way shape or form defending the commercials, because frankly, I think they're stupid too.

 

i know why they run that way, i was talking about why the people that enact these rules are in power, i was thinking it would be read more like "why are the dumbasses that are in power in power in the first place? why are people stupid enough to vote for them?". sorry i wasnt clear enough

 

Would you rather them not do anything at all?

in fact, yes, i would very much like for them not to push their religious fundamentalist views on the rest of the united states. it is their body, they should be able to completely fxck up their body as far as they want. if they cant handle it, i shouldnt have to pay for an anti drug program or rehab or whatever just because they dont know how to moderate anything they do. it isnt my fault, why should i have to pay for it? i shouldnt.

 

i also shouldnt have to pay for people to live out of my pocket. i completely disagree with the entire concept of welfare, and all such programs. your problems have nothing to do with me, i am NOT going to give YOU MY money so that YOU can spend it on things I want. like that lady that has been all over the news with her 8 babies, i could give a crap less what happens to her, i shouldnt have to support her stupidity or her children. if she cant take care of them, that sucks. its called survival of the fittest, get used to it or die.

 

i would expect the same rules to apply to everyone, no matter who you were. if you are the president of the united states, you can *censored* it all day, drink and do crack for all i care as long as you keep it in moderation. if you overdose, oh freaking well, we get a new president or whatever the case may be.

 

but no, we are stuck in a degenerative state, helping all the lazy people become even more lazy, and that is keeping the achievers down. i mean, a superstar track runner isnt going to run his peak with a homeless person hanging off his back is he? obviously not.

 

-If that were a government run organization, then yes, you'd be paying for it. It's privately funded though. Point I'm trying to make is that if it were indeed the government running it, then I too would be mad as you are. It's not, I've done a bit of googling and came up with the conclusion that it's not yours, or mine, tax dollars going to fund this.

 

-Their website states they originated as an anti-smoking campaign in Florida, funded by the tobacco companies.

If that's religious fundamentalism, then that means everything is.

 

-And think about this for a second. Let's take religion out of the equation. Why are illegal drugs just that, illegal? Usually it's because a few dumb*edit*s went and screwed it up for those that don't go overboard. Really, that's where just about every law originated from. A few people abuse it, everyone loses it. Although I personally don't use them just because of what I've seen happen to people that abuse things like that, I think that, yes, those that don't go overboard on it aren't on the same level as someone that's stoned constantly, sitting on his/her couch all day long with no job living on welfare. Leave it up to a few to screw the rest.

 

-And the main reason I'm for the stance that if they're used in moderation/correctly then it doesn't hurt, as long as it isn't illegal? I take 8 pills in the morning and 8 at night for clinical depression, paranoia, schitzophrenia, and bipolar disorder.

 

-Drugs themselves aren't bad. Abuse of them is.

 

-If I weren't on these medications, or drugs, then I'd be a completely different person. Granted, this is a different situation than stuff like meth and crack, but I see what you're saying. I go in weekly for a blood test to make sure the medications aren't killing me. I have what's called a dependency on four of those, more commonly known as an addiction. If I need to get into more of it, I will, but I don't want to freak too many people out. Not many people like knowing they're discussing a matter with someone that's living a life only with the help of drugs.

 

-Back on the point of illegal and legal. Me giving the drugs I take to someone whom they're not prescribed for is illegal. Once again, it all boils down to abuse of the substance.

 

-I agree with you 100% on the rest of your post though. Nice to find a few more that don't have their head up their *edit* about the current administration.

[t3hf4ll0ut]

There are few drugs you can do in "moderation". Same with tobacco. It's a 75% chance you will get addicted to tobacco and about a 99.9% chance you will get addicted to any drug besides pot, and other drugs you can do in moderation without becoming an addict.

I support what TheTruth is trying to say, but Above the Influence should be focusing on keeping people away from crystal, heroin, acid, and that other assorted lunacy, rather then a harmless joint of weed. BUT weed DOES and CAN make you lazy if not done in moderation. Pot heads can reject it all they want, as they might not realize they are bums. But trust me... WE all do...

[PureSnipe]

There are few drugs you can do in "moderation". Same with tobacco. It's a 75% chance you will get addicted to tobacco and about a 99.9% chance you will get addicted to any drug besides pot, and other drugs you can do in moderation without becoming an addict.

I support what TheTruth is trying to say, but Above the Influence should be focusing on keeping people away from crystal, heroin, acid, and that other assorted lunacy, rather then a harmless joint of weed. BUT weed DOES and CAN make you lazy if not done in moderation. Pot heads can reject it all they want, as they might not realize they are bums. But trust me... WE all do...

 

I'd like to know those sources for those statistics, as I've been told and have seen otherwise.

[t3hf4ll0ut]

There are few drugs you can do in "moderation". Same with tobacco. It's a 75% chance you will get addicted to tobacco and about a 99.9% chance you will get addicted to any drug besides pot, and other drugs you can do in moderation without becoming an addict.

I support what TheTruth is trying to say, but Above the Influence should be focusing on keeping people away from crystal, heroin, acid, and that other assorted lunacy, rather then a harmless joint of weed. BUT weed DOES and CAN make you lazy if not done in moderation. Pot heads can reject it all they want, as they might not realize they are bums. But trust me... WE all do...

 

I'd like to know those sources for those statistics, as I've been told and have seen otherwise.

I have friends who have smoked 4-6 times a day, and it sure got them nowhere. One guy I knew failed a grade 3 times. He was in 6th grade driving his car to school. I used to smoke until it just got boring.