Last Ditch Effort (Help with Load Order + Other Issues)

[ERASERhead1]

Well, I broke the cardinal rule: install/uninstall mods one at a time and test before proceding to the next.

 

Anyway, here's the problem: Interiors work and load up no problem; as soon as I try to load exterior cells, the game ctd, meaning anytime I try to go outside the game crashes.

 

Before this problem occurred I uninstalled Project Beauty, so I reinstalled it. Didn't work.

 

Before this problem occurred I cleaned Unofficial Fallout 3 Broken Steel patch. Reinstalled it. Didn't work.

 

After this problem started occurring, I "verified integrity of game cache". Said 60 files were missing and replaced. Still doesn't work.

 

I had heavily tweaked .ini files which were both set to default after verifying integrity of game cache. Other than ugids I didn't try to redo it all. Can't imagine this being the problem, because...

 

When I try to start a new game, I got the same problem... can start a new character but as soon as it's time to head outside... ctd.

 

I will post my crazy load order for anyone with the patience to go through it. When I run FO3 edit it does not prompt me that I have any errors/conflicts.

 

Any help would be much appreciated, and just to eliminate any suggestions about hardware:

 

OS: Windows 7

CPU: i5 2500K

GPU: GeForce GTX Titan

RAM: 16gb

PSU: 650W

 

LOAD ORDER:

 

(Recognized Plugins)

 

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
StreetLights.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
aHUD.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
xCALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm
[DC RANGER ARSENAL v3 MASTER].esm
AWorldOfPainFO3.esm
Mothership Crew.esm
EVE.esm
Apocalypse Armory.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
DCInteriors_SideQuests.esm
RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_VanillaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_AnchoragePlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PittPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_BrokenSteelPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PointLookoutPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_ZetaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Pitt_NewRifleSights.esp
RH_IronSights_PL_NewItems.esp
Existence2.0.esp
NotSoFast.esp
BlackWolf Backpack.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Vanilla Big Guns Fix.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Anchorage Gauss Rifle Fix.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Zeta Drone Cannon Fix.esp
StreetLightsaddendum.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers (Optional)- Crowded Cities.esp
NPC Height Randomizer Less Variance.esp
DCInteriors_DLC_Collectables.esp
UndergroundHideout.esp
Apocalypse Armory.esp
Apocalypse Armory - CRAFTing.esp
Apocalypse Armory - CALIBR.esp
Apocalypse Armory - xCALIBR.esp
Apocalypse Armory - DLC Enhancements.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Halftime.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Realtime.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
RH_FWE_Bridge.esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
Apocalypse Armory + WMK.esp
7_HolsterForHandGunsV1_1.esp
Akira - Simple Silenced SMG.esp
ZL-ACR.esp
[DC RANGER ARSENAL v3] - DLC GEAR.esp
[DC RANGER ARSENAL v3] - ITEM GENERATOR.esp
Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp
DragonskinBonusPack.esp
Burnification.esp
EVE.esp
EVE Operation Anchorage.esp
Apocalypse Armory + EVE.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-More Gore-The Pitt.esp
dD-More Gore-PointLookout.esp
dD-More Gore-Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore PointLookout.esp
F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp
xCALIBRammo_FWE.esp
FWE(v.5.04)+WMK_weapons_xCALIBRified.esp
FWE+WMKexcalibrified(Anch).esp
FWE+WMKexcalibrified(Pitt).esp
FWE+WMKexcalibrified(Lkout).esp
xCALIBRammo_override.esp

 

(Unrecognized Plugins)

 

TSC Expansion.esm
Laulas More Food.esp
Imperfection.esp
USMC_WeaponsLD.esp
BaelAmalgamationIronSightsCompatibility.esp
Paradise Lost.esp
TrentonTowers.esp
enhanced 3D flesh.esp
TFH Rugged Race.esp
Beards.esp
RealisticBulletsWMKtracers.esp
FO3_WRP.esp
HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp
More Food - Broken Steel Patch.esp
More Food - Distributed.esp
WW2Uniforms.esp
Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp
M61FGR.esp
S&W 5906 DLC02 10mm Pistol replacer.esp
S&W 5906 10mm Pistol replacer extended.esp
SMG Mod.esp
Deadly Explosions.esp
More Prewar Books.esp
00ILove3rdPersonCamera.esp
JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
RH_IronSights DLC Fix for FWE and EVE.esp
Fallout 3 merged patch 61.esp

 

-Per mod author requests for Laulas More Food and Imperfection, those usually get moved up below my .esm files. Never had a problem doing that before.

 

 

 

[M48A5]

You say that FO3Edit does not show any conflicts. You are not using FO3Edit correctly. You need to get the training manual and read it to understand what you are doing and how to properly make a merged patch. http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/8629 FO3 Wanderers Edition alone will show hundreds of conflicts as it changes so much of the game.

TSC Expansion.esm needs to be placed with the other .esm.

[ERASERhead1]

Hey M48A5,

 

Thank you for the FO3 edit tutorial... spent a couple hours looking over it tonight. Very well put together and tons of info.

 

TSC Expansion.esm normally is with the other .esm's in load order, but I was missing the Enclave Commander mod for it to work anyway. I took it out for now.

 

I've always made new merge patches without a problem.

 

I'm almost feeling like this is a texture mod issue at this point, considering that in Megaton there is a huge Slimer green square surrounding the bomb that goes well beyond the radiation puddle and in my underground hideout I can see the water outside near Rivet City... a big rectangular piece of water.

 

If I could compare it to anything it would be like having Archive Invalidation off, which I use through the mod manager, and have tried toggling on/off. No success.

 

It looks like I would need some more time to go through the sea of red background/red text mods I have. I guess that I'm unconvinced that this exterior cell crash is related in the sense that I've had all these mods in for a while. Why would it crash like this now?

 

Still, I'm very thankful for that guide and will be using it if I can get back in the wasteland exterior.

 

Could verifying integrity of game cache have messed this up?

 

One thing that I've noticed that strikes me funny is after I did that I noticed my Fallout 3 - HD Overhaul wasn't working and the default FO3 music was playing at the menu screen. After reinstalling it I overwrote different files and got it working again.

 

Just weird... I didn't mess with that mod at all.

 

One more thing is I've tried the FO3MasterUpdate and subsequently MasterRestore after reading a lot of people saying that it's not a good idea to flag all your mods as .esm's. That tutorial and your statement seems to contest that. Good to know.

 

But anyway, first things first, gotta figure out why I can't go out in exterior cells anymore. Maybe try reinstalling NMC's texture pack?

 

Or do you think reverting back to default .ini's from heavily modded ones could make this happen? I'm trying to rule out these as possibilities.

 

I unchecked all my mods just to see the capital wasteland, and that worked, so it's definitely mod related somehow.

 

What would you or anyone else for that matter start sniffing out first?

Edited June 11, 2013 by ERASERhead1