Follower RefID doesn't always match mod index

[Norstaera]

This is a weird situation that sometimes happens. It doesn't cause CTD, ILS, or any game bugs afaik.

BUT,

My load order is established. If I upgrade, I always makes sure my load order is the same as it was. Sometimes deploying the mods and sorting the plugins change the load order a bit, but I change it back. The mods that might switch places have absolutely nothing to do with each other, so the original problem shouldn't be an issue.

 

And I digress...

I have the following follower mods installed:

5b Kaidan

5e Kaidan fixes

60 Inigo

6b Buttons, the little dog follower.

 

Normally, if I open the console Kaidan's ID will be 5bxxxxxx, Inigo will be 60xxxxxx, and Buttons will be 6bxxxxxx. That's as it should be.

But sometimes, Kaidan will be 5Exxxxxx, Inigo will be 6Bxxxxxx, and Buttons will be 6Cxxxxxx. Mods that load before Kaidan might also show a change in their mod index, and at least one mod that loads after Buttons is the proper mod index.

 

These mod index changes are only reflected in game!!!! And only sometimes! I can double check the mod index in Vortex and LOOT; they correctly reflect 5B ... 60 ... 6B.

 

As I said, the game plays normally. I don't notice the change right away unless I need to do something in console, so I know that I have saved the game with the 'fake' mod index numbers.

The 'fake' mod index numbers are not permanent. I might have to quit to desktop and reload a couple of times, but I can get back to the correct mod index numbers. I save and continue playing until the next time I notice the shift.

I don't know if the other mods change to the same fake numbers, but Kaidan always changes from 5B to 5E. Inigo and Buttons are always bumped to the same fake numbers, as well.

 

I finally decided to lock the lad order for these followers in Vortex to see if it prevents the change from happening in the future.

Maybe it's a Kaidan/Kaidan fixes thing, but I don't know why that would affect other mods.

 

Since I can play my game just fine, I don't consider it broken. But it is weird and I wondered if anybody else ever experienced this occurrence?

 

9/1/21 - happened again. Locking the load order didn't help. I'll say it again, WEIRD.

Edited September 1, 2021 by Norstaera

[Norstaera]

I might be wrong about this issue not messing up my game. I did CTD and remembered to look at the crash log. Looks like there is an issue which can be a problem.

Crash Log:

Unhandled native exception occurred at 0x7FF7677C4109 (SkyrimSE.exe+264109) on thread 27408!

FrameworkName: NetScriptFramework
FrameworkVersion: 15
FrameworkArchitecture: x64
GameLibrary: SkyrimSE
GameLibraryVersion: 18
ApplicationName: SkyrimSE.exe
ApplicationVersion: 1.5.97.0
VersionInfo: Successfully loaded
Time: 06 Nov 2021 17:18:10.714

Possible relevant objects (5)
{
[ 1] TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`)
[ 1] Character(FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[ 7] BSFadeNode(Name: `skeleton.nif`, Owner: `Character(FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))`)
[ 33] TESObjectCELL(Name: CRFIrontreeMill, FormId: 00009389, File: `Cutting Room Floor.esp <- Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp <- Update.esm <- Skyrim.esm`)
[ 99] TESObjectCELL(Name: Wilderness, FormId: FF000E25)
}

Probable callstack
{
[0] 0x7FF7677C4109 (SkyrimSE.exe+264109) TESObjectCELL::unk_2640B0+59
[1] 0x7FF7676B7115 (SkyrimSE.exe+157115) TES::unk_157030+E5
[2] 0x7FF7676A621E (SkyrimSE.exe+14621E) QueuedTree::unk_1460A0+17E
[3] 0x7FF76828CDCF (SkyrimSE.exe+D2CDCF) IOManager::unk_D2CCE0+EF
[4] 0x7FF767B137DE (SkyrimSE.exe+5B37DE) unk_5B3760+7E
[5] 0x7FF767BA0A27 (SkyrimSE.exe+640A27) Job_IO_640970+B7
[6] 0x7FF768192A81 (SkyrimSE.exe+C32A81) JobList::Process_C329B0+D1
[7] 0x7FF768194C48 (SkyrimSE.exe+C34C48) BSJobs::JobThread::Func1_C34930+318
[8] 0x7FF76816D6BD (SkyrimSE.exe+C0D6BD) StartAddress_0_C0D680+3D
[9] 0x7FFC04437034 (KERNEL32.DLL+17034)
[10] 0x7FFC06422651 (ntdll.dll+52651)
}

Registers
{
AX: 0x68 (u8):[104]
BX: 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
CX: 0x0 (NULL)
DX: 0x0 (NULL)
SI: 0x0 (NULL)
DI: 0x0 (NULL)
BP: 0x4DE71FFA59 (void*)
SP: 0x4DE71FF9F0 (char*) " N"
IP: 0x7FF7677C4109 (SkyrimSE.exe+264109) (void*)
R8: 0x68 (u8):[104]
R9: 0x768 (u16):[1896]
R10: 0x157101B9 (u32):[359727545]
R11: 0x150DDA62D48 (char*) "F"
R12: 0x14EE8B3AFE0 (void*)
R13: 0x768 (u16):[1896]
R14: 0x0 (NULL)
R15: 0x4E20 (u16):[20000]
Flags: 0x10246
XMM0: (double)7.10445049056211E-312 / (float)-1.21271E+08
XMM1: (double)7.15598850481614E-312 / (float)0.001296952
XMM2: (double)5.78015256689706E-315 / (float)6000
XMM3: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM4: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM5: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM6: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM7: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM8: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM9: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM10: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM11: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM12: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM13: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM14: (double)0 / (float)0
XMM15: (double)0 / (float)0
}

Stack
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[sP+28] 0x1513AA9FE80 (BSFadeNode*) -> (Name: `skeleton.nif`, Owner: `Character(FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))`)
[sP+30] 0x1 (u8):[1]
[sP+38] 0x7FF7677F16E8 (SkyrimSE.exe+2916E8) (char*) "H?\$H9??"
[sP+40] 0x14F5BFCDF80 (void*)
[sP+48] 0x7FF767B9F822 (SkyrimSE.exe+63F822) (void*)
[sP+50] 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE (i64):[-2]
[sP+58] 0x14ECCE74E58 (void*)
[sP+60] 0x1513AA9FE80 (BSFadeNode*) -> (Name: `skeleton.nif`, Owner: `Character(FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))`)
[sP+68] 0x150DE0F0100 (QueuedCharacter*)
[sP+70] 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[sP+78] 0x7FF7677F159A (SkyrimSE.exe+29159A) (char*) "9??"
[sP+80] 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[sP+88] 0x4E20 (u16):[20000]
[sP+90] 0x2B (u8):[43]
[sP+98] 0x768 (u16):[1896]
[sP+A0] 0x14EE8B3AFE0 (void*)
[sP+A8] 0x1513AA9FE80 (BSFadeNode*) -> (Name: `skeleton.nif`, Owner: `Character(FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))`)
[sP+B0] 0x150DE0F0100 (QueuedCharacter*)
[sP+B8] 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[sP+C0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+C8] 0x7FF7676B7115 (SkyrimSE.exe+157115) (void*)
[sP+D0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+D8] 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[sP+E0] 0x14F00000068 (void*)
[sP+E8] 0x14EE8B3AFE0 (void*)
[sP+F0] 0x150DE0F0100 (QueuedCharacter*)
[sP+F8] 0x14F5BFCDF60 (TESObjectCELL**) -> (Name: CRFIrontreeMill, FormId: 00009389, File: `Cutting Room Floor.esp <- Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp <- Update.esm <- Skyrim.esm`)
[sP+100] 0x1 (u8):[1]
[sP+108] 0x7FF7676A621E (SkyrimSE.exe+14621E) (void*)
[sP+110] 0x14EE8B3B748 (char*) "j"
[sP+118] 0x14F5BFCDF60 (TESObjectCELL**) -> (Name: CRFIrontreeMill, FormId: 00009389, File: `Cutting Room Floor.esp <- Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp <- Update.esm <- Skyrim.esm`)
[sP+120] 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[sP+128] 0x14EA62A7F40 (SynchronizedPriorityQueue>*)
[sP+130] 0x1513AB4A400 (void*)
[sP+138] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+140] 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE (i64):[-2]
[sP+148] 0x7FF7676AAF91 (SkyrimSE.exe+14AF91) (void*)
[sP+150] 0x4E20 (u16):[20000]
[sP+158] 0xB1CB1241293 (u64):[12217858921107]
[sP+160] 0xFFFFFFFF (u32):[4294967295]
[sP+168] 0x14EA62F0CC0 (IOManager*)
[sP+170] 0x150DE0F0100 (QueuedCharacter*)
[sP+178] 0x7FF76828CDCF (SkyrimSE.exe+D2CDCF) (void*)
[sP+180] 0x14F001144F5 (void*)
[sP+188] 0x2 (u8):[2]
[sP+190] 0xC (u8):[12]
[sP+198] 0x14F5BFCDF00 (Character*) -> (FormId: 4B264EC4, File: `0Kaidan.esp`, BaseForm: TESNPC(Name: `Kiai`, FormId: 4B262723, File: `0Kaidan.esp`))
[sP+1A0] 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE (i64):[-2]
[sP+1A8] 0x7FF76A487E80 (SkyrimSE.exe+2F27E80) (SkyrimVM*)
[sP+1B0] 0x7FF76A557784 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FF7784) (void*)
[sP+1B8] 0x1 (u8):[1]
[sP+1C0] 0x7FF76A557780 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FF7780) (void*)
[sP+1C8] 0x7FF76A557788 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FF7788) (void*)
[sP+1D0] 0x14EA63ACF00 (void*)
[sP+1D8] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+1E0] 0x4DE71FFC40 (ScrapHeap**)
[sP+1E8] 0x7FF767B137DE (SkyrimSE.exe+5B37DE) (void*)
[sP+1F0] 0x7FF76A55A240 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FFA240) (void*)
[sP+1F8] 0x7FFB00000002 (u64):[140716013518850]
[sP+200] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+208] 0x150DE0F0100 (QueuedCharacter*)
[sP+210] 0x7FF76A490748 (SkyrimSE.exe+2F30748) (void*)
[sP+218] 0x14EE8B3AFE0 (void*)
[sP+220] 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE (i64):[-2]
[sP+228] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+230] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+238] 0x7FF767E91622 (SkyrimSE.exe+931622) (void*)
[sP+240] 0x7FF700000014 (u64):[140698833649684]
[sP+248] 0x7FF76A490748 (SkyrimSE.exe+2F30748) (void*)
[sP+250] 0x14EE8B3B6B0 (ScrapHeap*)
[sP+258] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+260] 0x4DE71FFC48 (void*)
[sP+268] 0x0 (NULL)
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[sP+280] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+288] 0x0 (NULL)
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[sP+298] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+2A0] 0x7FF76A487E00 (SkyrimSE.exe+2F27E00) (void*)
[sP+2A8] 0x7FF767E85443 (SkyrimSE.exe+925443) (void*)
[sP+2B0] 0x7FF76A557784 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FF7784) (void*)
[sP+2B8] 0x1 (u8):[1]
[sP+2C0] 0x7FF76A557780 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FF7780) (void*)
[sP+2C8] 0x7FF76A557788 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FF7788) (void*)
[sP+2D0] 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE (i64):[-2]
[sP+2D8] 0x7FF767E82B7F (SkyrimSE.exe+922B7F) (void*)
[sP+2E0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+2E8] 0x7FF767BA0A27 (SkyrimSE.exe+640A27) (void*)
[sP+2F0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+2F8] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+300] 0xFFFFFFFF3F19999A (i64):[-3236324966] (f32):[0.6]
[sP+308] 0x14F54A99800 (TESObjectCELL*) -> (Name: Wilderness, FormId: FF000E25)
[sP+310] 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE (i64):[-2]
[sP+318] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+320] 0x1 (u8):[1]
[sP+328] 0x7FF768192A81 (SkyrimSE.exe+C32A81) (void*)
[sP+330] 0x7FF76A55A240 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FFA240) (void*)
[sP+338] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+340] 0x14EA63ACF00 (void*)
[sP+348] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+350] 0x1 (u8):[1]
[sP+358] 0x7FF76A55A1F0 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FFA1F0) (void*)
[sP+360] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+368] 0x14EA63ACF00 (void*)
[sP+370] 0x7FF76A55A190 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FFA190) (BSJobs::JobThread*)
[sP+378] 0x7FF768194C48 (SkyrimSE.exe+C34C48) (void*)
[sP+380] 0x3 (u8):[3]
[sP+388] 0x3 (u8):[3]
[sP+390] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+398] 0x808 (u16):[2056]
[sP+3A0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+3A8] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+3B0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+3B8] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+3C0] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+3C8] 0x0 (NULL)
[sP+3D0] 0x7FF76A55A190 (SkyrimSE.exe+2FFA190) (BSJobs::JobThread*)
[sP+3D8] 0x7FF76816D6BD (SkyrimSE.exe+C0D6BD) (void*)
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[sP+3E8] 0x544AA7 (u32):[5524135]
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[sP+418] 0x7FFC04437034 (KERNEL32.DLL+17034) (void*)
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}

Modules
{
SkyrimSE.exe: 0x7FF767560000
ntdll.dll: 0x7FFC063D0000
KERNEL32.DLL: 0x7FFC04420000
KERNELBASE.dll: 0x7FFC03AF0000
apphelp.dll: 0x7FFC00F20000
USER32.dll: 0x7FFC06140000
win32u.dll: 0x7FFC043F0000
GDI32.dll: 0x7FFC04F40000
gdi32full.dll: 0x7FFC04240000
msvcp_win.dll: 0x7FFC04350000
ucrtbase.dll: 0x7FFC04080000
ADVAPI32.dll: 0x7FFC05580000
msvcrt.dll: 0x7FFC062F0000
sechost.dll: 0x7FFC04570000
RPCRT4.dll: 0x7FFC05B00000
SHELL32.dll: 0x7FFC04800000
ole32.dll: 0x7FFC04670000
combase.dll: 0x7FFC05C30000
WS2_32.dll: 0x7FFC05960000
SETUPAPI.dll: 0x7FFC04F70000
cfgmgr32.dll: 0x7FFC03DC0000
bcrypt.dll: 0x7FFC04210000
OLEAUT32.dll: 0x7FFC059D0000
DINPUT8.dll: 0x7FFBD29D0000
XINPUT1_3.dll: 0x400000
X3DAudio1_7.dll: 0x5A950000
binkw64.dll: 0x7FFBD2990000
WINHTTP.dll: 0x7FFBFA930000
IPHLPAPI.DLL: 0x7FFC02F40000
steam_api64.dll: 0x5A910000
MSVCP140.dll: 0x7FFBF4D70000
WSOCK32.dll: 0x7FFBEDC10000
VCRUNTIME140.dll: 0x7FFBF47F0000
d3d11.dll: 0x7FFBFF840000
HID.DLL: 0x7FFC02380000
d3dx9_42.dll: 0x7FFBF9EA0000
WINMM.dll: 0x7FFBF7150000
SHLWAPI.dll: 0x7FFC047A0000
dxgi.dll: 0x7FFC023E0000
dbghelp.dll: 0x7FFC01880000
CRYPTBASE.DLL: 0x7FFC034B0000
VCRUNTIME140_1.dll: 0x7FFBF47E0000
IMM32.DLL: 0x7FFC05930000
binkw64_.dll: 0x180000000
skse64_steam_loader.dll: 0x7FFBD0510000
VERSION.dll: 0x7FFBFD660000
windows.storage.dll: 0x7FFC01BF0000
Wldp.dll: 0x7FFC03540000
SHCORE.dll: 0x7FFC053F0000
profapi.dll: 0x7FFC03A30000
inputhost.dll: 0x7FFBEB420000
PROPSYS.dll: 0x7FFBFEFB0000
wintypes.dll: 0x7FFC001D0000
CoreMessaging.dll: 0x7FFC00C00000
bcryptPrimitives.dll: 0x7FFC04180000
CoreUIComponents.dll: 0x7FFC008A0000
ntmarta.dll: 0x7FFC027E0000
kernel.appcore.dll: 0x7FFC023C0000
steamclient64.dll: 0x7FFB7C820000
CRYPT32.dll: 0x7FFC03F20000
imagehlp.dll: 0x7FFC05910000
PSAPI.DLL: 0x7FFC06120000
MSWSOCK.dll: 0x7FFC032A0000
Secur32.dll: 0x7FFBF47D0000
tier0_s64.dll: 0x7FFBC12E0000
vstdlib_s64.dll: 0x7FFBC3D60000
SSPICLI.DLL: 0x7FFC039E0000
EngineFixes.dll: 0x7FFBC0E40000
tbb.dll: 0x7FFBCE930000
tbbmalloc.dll: 0x7FFBC7F00000
NetScriptFramework.Runtime.dll: 0x7FFBDDC90000
mscoree.dll: 0x7FFBDBEE0000
mscoreei.dll: 0x7FFBDBE30000
clr.dll: 0x7FFBDA990000
VCRUNTIME140_CLR0400.dll: 0x7FFBDBE10000
ucrtbase_clr0400.dll: 0x7FFBDA8D0000
mscorlib.ni.dll: 0x7FFBD8580000
clrjit.dll: 0x7FFBD8430000
amsi.dll: 0x7FFBE9AC0000
USERENV.dll: 0x7FFC039B0000
AMSIExt.dll: 0x7FFBA3210000
WINTRUST.dll: 0x7FFC03E10000
MSASN1.dll: 0x7FFC036D0000
CRYPTSP.dll: 0x7FFC03490000
rsaenh.dll: 0x7FFC02B50000
gpapi.dll: 0x7FFC02390000
cryptnet.dll: 0x7FFBFD530000
mfehida.dll: 0x7FFBF2110000
mfemmsa.dll: 0x7FFBF1320000
System.ni.dll: 0x7FFBD7710000
System.Core.ni.dll: 0x7FFBD6BB0000
urlmon.dll: 0x7FFBF7650000
srvcli.dll: 0x7FFBF7620000
iertutil.dll: 0x7FFBF7370000
netutils.dll: 0x7FFC03050000
NetScriptFramework.SkyrimSE.dll: 0x7FFBC0CB0000
skse64_1_5_97.dll: 0x7FFBB9AB0000
AddItemMenuSE.dll: 0x7FFBCCDC0000
auto_backup_executable.dll: 0x7FFBACAB0000
COMDLG32.dll: 0x7FFC054A0000
COMCTL32.dll: 0x7FFBF41E0000
cbp.dll: 0x7FFBD04D0000
DeviousDevices.dll: 0x7FFBDB460000
doticu_hide_your_quests.dll: 0x7FFBBD920000
Fuz Ro D'oh.dll: 0x7FFBC2860000
hdtSMP64.dll: 0x7FFB75D50000
JContainers64.dll: 0x7FFB9F820000
mfgfix.dll: 0x7FFBAC4E0000
MoreInformativeConsole.dll: 0x7FFBC1270000
PapyrusUtil.dll: 0x7FFBA6150000
po3_PapyrusExtender.dll: 0x7FFBA5E20000
SexLabUtil.dll: 0x7FFBA81B0000
skee64.dll: 0x7FFBA2E50000
SmartHarvestSE.dll: 0x7FFBA1290000
zzEstrusUtil.dll: 0x7FFBC4560000
uxtheme.dll: 0x7FFC01060000
gameoverlayrenderer64.dll: 0x7FFBA1620000
MSCTF.dll: 0x7FFC06000000
textinputframework.dll: 0x7FFBED1E0000
nvldumdx.dll: 0x7FFBFAA40000
nvwgf2umx.dll: 0x7FFBBA490000
nvspcap64.dll: 0x7FFBB8120000
dxcore.dll: 0x7FFBFAB50000
dwmapi.dll: 0x7FFC012F0000
clbcatq.dll: 0x7FFC05860000
OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll: 0x7FFBF2BE0000
OneCoreUAPCommonProxyStub.dll: 0x7FFBFAB90000
dcomp.dll: 0x7FFC00330000
DEVOBJ.dll: 0x7FFC038B0000
XAudio2_7.dll: 0x7FFBC07C0000
MMDevApi.dll: 0x7FFBFD7A0000
resourcepolicyclient.dll: 0x7FFC011F0000
AUDIOSES.DLL: 0x7FFBFD8B0000
powrprof.dll: 0x7FFC030C0000
UMPDC.dll: 0x7FFC02F20000
Windows.UI.dll: 0x7FFBE88E0000
WindowManagementAPI.dll: 0x7FFBFCB90000
twinapi.appcore.dll: 0x7FFBFC980000
avrt.dll: 0x7FFBFD400000
DSOUND.DLL: 0x7FFBDFD50000
winmmbase.dll: 0x7FFBD1670000
wbemprox.dll: 0x7FFBEDDC0000
wbemcomn.dll: 0x7FFBF2780000
wbemsvc.dll: 0x7FFBF01B0000
fastprox.dll: 0x7FFBEC750000
NSI.dll: 0x7FFC06130000
dhcpcsvc6.DLL: 0x7FFBFD700000
dhcpcsvc.DLL: 0x7FFBFD6E0000
DNSAPI.dll: 0x7FFC02F80000
webio.dll: 0x7FFBFA890000
WINNSI.DLL: 0x7FFBFD790000
rasadhlp.dll: 0x7FFBFA880000
fwpuclnt.dll: 0x7FFBFA7A0000
schannel.DLL: 0x7FFC02A70000
mskeyprotect.dll: 0x7FFBE9AE0000
NTASN1.dll: 0x7FFC03570000
ncrypt.dll: 0x7FFC035B0000
ncryptsslp.dll: 0x7FFBEB2B0000
DPAPI.DLL: 0x7FFC038F0000
}

Plugins (0)
{
}

Game plugins (159)
{
[00] Skyrim.esm
[01] Update.esm
[02] Dawnguard.esm
[03] HearthFires.esm
[04] Dragonborn.esm
[05] Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
[06] CreatureFramework.esm
[07] SexLab.esm
[08] SexLabAroused.esm
[09] ZaZAnimationPack.esm
[0A] SexLab - Sexual Fame [sLSF].esm
[0B] Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
[0C] ApachiiHair.esm
[0D] Devious Devices - Assets.esm
[0E] Devious Devices - Integration.esm
[0F] Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
[10] Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
[11] UIExtensions.esp
[12] CBBE.esp
[13] SkyUI_SE.esp
[14] Cutting Room Floor.esp
[15] SlaveTats.esp
[16] SD Cages.esp
[17] SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
[18] SLAL_ProxyAnimObjects.esp
[19] breezehome.esp
[1A] DeviousMimicClothes.esp
[1B] MoreBanditCamps.esp
[1C] Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
[1D] MarkarthHelpTheWarrens.esp
[1E] SLALAnimObj.esp
[1F] AnubAnimObj.esp
[20] Aradia Leather Outfit.esp
[21] AAE Ultimate Edition.esp
[22] MoreNastyCritters.esp
[23] AAE_CRF_Patch.esp
[24] Amulet of the Divines.esp
[25] SLSFFameComments.esp
[26] SexistGuards.esp
[27] Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
[28] dD Enchanted Chests.esp
[29] RM_HennaOverlay.esp
[2A] EstrusChaurus.esp
[2B] Laura's Bondage Shop.esp
[2C] HN66_Earrings.esp
[2D] KJ Tattoos 4K.esp
[2E] pchs_loansharks.esp
[2F] Move it Dammit - Less Wait Time.esp
[30] PB_DeviousGuards.esp
[31] NosPiercedEarsAll.esp
[32] TheChoiceIsYours.esp
[33] Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
[34] GuardsArmorsAndWeapons.esp
[35] DSHg - Helmets.esp
[36] TimingIsEverything.esp
[37] W_A_Vigilants.esp
[38] SPTUnlimitedRingsSE.esp
[39] WyldMenuPlugMale.esp
[3A] DSHg - UpdateDB.esp
[3B] DSHg - UpdateDG.esp
[3C] AddItemMenuSE.esp
[3D] Ranger Outfit.esp
[3E] Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
[3F] RutahTattooPack SE.esp
[40] SLDrunkRedux.esp
[41] SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp
[42] Sheps_Tattoo_Collection.esp
[43] Stronger Soul Cairn Summons.esp
[44] TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp
[45] SLAnimLoader.esp
[46] Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp
[47] The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
[48] TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
[49] SOSRaceMenu.esp
[4A] Devious Devices For Him.esp
[4B] 0Kaidan.esp
[4C] Labyrinth SE.esp
[4D] DeadlyDragons.esp
[4E] SPTUnlimitedAmuletsSE.esp
[4F] Inigo.esp
[50] UnreadBooksGlow.esp
[51] DeviousFollowers.esp
[52] Weightless Ingedients.esp
[53] WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp
[54] YeOlde - MCM Settings.esp
[55] FadeTattoos.esp
[56] RapeTattoos.esp
[57] DSHg - Hoods.esp
[58] Buttons.esp
[59] SLUTS.esp
[5A] Better Females - Eyebrows.esp
[5B] FNIS.esp
[5C] KS Hairdo's.esp
[5D] RRTattoos.esp
[5E] RaceMenu.esp
[5F] RaceMenuPlugin.esp
[60] RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
[61] Realistic Haircolors.esp
[62] 0kaidan fixes.esp
[63] SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
[64] Devious Cidhna.esp
[65] Public wh*%#.esp
[66] SexLab_Dialogues.esp
[67] RiverwoodMysticalHome.esp
[68] BooksOfDibella.esp
[69] SimpleSlavery.esp
[6A] DeerheartCottage.esp
[6B] Dog Followers are Huskies.esp
[6C] notice board.esp
[6D] DeviousCarriages.esp
[6E] TheStrangeHouse.esp
[6F] zDarkArena.esp
[70] RohZima_AnimObjects.esp
[71] Whiterun Stable Tower SE.esp
[72] LazyHeels.esp
[73] Naked Dungeons.esp
[74] Scent of Sex.esp
[75] Undriel_Raven_of_RavenRock.esp
[76] BodySearch.esp
[77] XPMSE.esp
[78] Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
[79] Sound of Weapons.esp
[7A] DrinkItOff.esp
[FE 000] Extra Encounters SE.esm
[FE 001] Dark Dreams.esl
[FE 002] CraftCrossbowsAndBoltsAnywhereAnytime.esp
[FE 003] Sexist Guards_Voice00.esp
[FE 004] Sexist Guards_Voice0.esp
[FE 005] Sexist Guards_Voice.esp
[FE 006] ZaZAnimationPack_Voice.esp
[FE 007] Devious Devices - Integration_Voice.esp
[FE 008] [sE] SexLab JailRape Voice.esp
[FE 009] SmartHarvestSE.esp
[FE 00A] SimpleSlavery_Voices1.esp
[FE 00B] BodySearch_Voices1.esp
[FE 00C] Public Whore_Voices1.esp
[FE 00D] doticu_hide_your_quests.esp
[FE 00E] SLUTS_Voice.esp
[FE 00F] mihailgrahl.esp
[FE 010] BetterQuestObjectives.esp
[FE 011] iD_DovahBlingBracelets.esp
[FE 012] BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
[FE 013] Devious Devices SE patch.esp
[FE 014] mihaildraugrpatrols.esp
[FE 015] mihailcyrodiilianminotaur.esp
[FE 016] SimpleSlavery_VoicePatch.esp
[FE 017] Bring Meeko to Lod.esp
[FE 018] mihailcliffracer.esp
[FE 019] mihailsnowray.esp
[FE 01A] mihailwampa.esp
[FE 01B] mihailmountainlion.esp
[FE 01C] mihailmountedfalmer.esp
[FE 01D] mihailesocenturion.esp
[FE 01E] BluePalaceDomeLight.esp
[FE 01F] ShorsStoneRedbellyMine Fixes.esp
[FE 020] mihaildwarvenmagetta.esp
[FE 021] JailRape.esp
[FE 022] BottledBats.esp
[FE 023] BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
}

 

 

Here is my LOOT/Vortex load order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
254 FE 0 Extra Encounters SE.esm
6 6 CreatureFramework.esm
7 7 SexLabAroused.esm
8 8 SexLab.esm
9 9 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
10 a SexLab - Sexual Fame [sLSF].esm
11 b Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
12 c ApachiiHair.esm
13 d Devious Devices - Assets.esm
14 e Devious Devices - Integration.esm
15 f Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
16 10 Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
254 FE 1 Dark Dreams.esl
17 11 UIExtensions.esp
18 12 CBBE.esp
19 13 SkyUI_SE.esp
20 14 Cutting Room Floor.esp
254 FE 2 CraftCrossbowsAndBoltsAnywhereAnytime.esp
21 15 SlaveTats.esp
254 FE 3 Sexist Guards_Voice00.esp
254 FE 4 Sexist Guards_Voice0.esp
22 16 SD Cages.esp
254 FE 5 Sexist Guards_Voice.esp
23 17 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
24 18 SLAL_ProxyAnimObjects.esp
254 FE 6 ZaZAnimationPack_Voice.esp
25 19 breezehome.esp
254 FE 7 Devious Devices - Integration_Voice.esp
26 1a DeviousMimicClothes.esp
254 FE 8 [sE] SexLab JailRape Voice.esp
254 FE 9 SmartHarvestSE.esp
254 FE a SimpleSlavery_Voices1.esp
254 FE b BodySearch_Voices1.esp
254 FE c Public Whore_Voices1.esp
254 FE d doticu_hide_your_quests.esp
27 1b MoreBanditCamps.esp
28 1c Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
29 1d MarkarthHelpTheWarrens.esp
30 1e SLALAnimObj.esp
31 1f AnubAnimObj.esp
32 20 Aradia Leather Outfit.esp
33 21 AAE Ultimate Edition.esp
34 22 MoreNastyCritters.esp
35 23 AAE_CRF_Patch.esp
36 24 Amulet of the Divines.esp
37 25 SLSFFameComments.esp
38 26 SexistGuards.esp
254 FE e SLUTS_Voice.esp
39 27 Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
40 28 dD Enchanted Chests.esp
41 29 RM_HennaOverlay.esp
42 2a EstrusChaurus.esp
43 2b Laura's Bondage Shop.esp
zzEstrus.esp
254 FE f mihailgrahl.esp
44 2c HN66_Earrings.esp
45 2d KJ Tattoos 4K.esp
46 2e pchs_loansharks.esp
47 2f Move it Dammit - Less Wait Time.esp
48 30 PB_DeviousGuards.esp
49 31 NosPiercedEarsAll.esp
50 32 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
51 33 Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
52 34 GuardsArmorsAndWeapons.esp
53 35 DSHg - Helmets.esp
54 36 TimingIsEverything.esp
55 37 W_A_Vigilants.esp
56 38 SPTUnlimitedRingsSE.esp
57 39 WyldMenuPlugMale.esp
58 3a DSHg - UpdateDB.esp
59 3b DSHg - UpdateDG.esp
60 3c AddItemMenuSE.esp
61 3d Ranger Outfit.esp
62 3e Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
63 3f RutahTattooPack SE.esp
64 40 SLDrunkRedux.esp
65 41 SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp
66 42 Sheps_Tattoo_Collection.esp
67 43 Stronger Soul Cairn Summons.esp
68 44 TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp
69 45 SLAnimLoader.esp
70 46 Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp
71 47 The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
72 48 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
73 49 SOSRaceMenu.esp
74 4a Devious Devices For Him.esp
75 4b 0Kaidan.esp
76 4c Labyrinth SE.esp
77 4d DeadlyDragons.esp
254 FE 10 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
78 4e SPTUnlimitedAmuletsSE.esp
79 4f Inigo.esp
80 50 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
81 51 DeviousFollowers.esp
82 52 Weightless Ingedients.esp
83 53 WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp
84 54 YeOlde - MCM Settings.esp
85 55 FadeTattoos.esp
254 FE 11 iD_DovahBlingBracelets.esp
86 56 RapeTattoos.esp
87 57 DSHg - Hoods.esp
254 FE 12 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
88 58 Buttons.esp
89 59 SLUTS.esp
90 5a Better Females - Eyebrows.esp
91 5b FNIS.esp
92 5c KS Hairdo's.esp
93 5d RRTattoos.esp
94 5e RaceMenu.esp
95 5f RaceMenuPlugin.esp
96 60 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
97 61 Realistic Haircolors.esp
254 FE 13 Devious Devices SE patch.esp
98 62 0kaidan fixes.esp
99 63 SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
100 64 Devious Cidhna.esp
101 65 Public wh*%#.esp
102 66 SexLab_Dialogues.esp
103 67 RiverwoodMysticalHome.esp
254 FE 14 mihaildraugrpatrols.esp
254 FE 15 mihailcyrodiilianminotaur.esp
104 68 BooksOfDibella.esp
105 69 SimpleSlavery.esp
254 FE 16 SimpleSlavery_VoicePatch.esp
254 FE 17 Bring Meeko to Lod.esp
106 6a DeerheartCottage.esp
254 FE 18 mihailcliffracer.esp
254 FE 19 mihailsnowray.esp
254 FE 1a mihailwampa.esp
107 6b Dog Followers are Huskies.esp
108 6c notice board.esp
109 6d DeviousCarriages.esp
254 FE 1b mihailmountainlion.esp
110 6e TheStrangeHouse.esp
111 6f zDarkArena.esp
112 70 RohZima_AnimObjects.esp
254 FE 1c mihailmountedfalmer.esp
254 FE 1d mihailesocenturion.esp
113 71 Whiterun Stable Tower SE.esp
254 FE 1e BluePalaceDomeLight.esp
Dark Dreams.esp
114 72 LazyHeels.esp
115 73 Naked Dungeons.esp
254 FE 1f ShorsStoneRedbellyMine Fixes.esp
116 74 Scent of Sex.esp
117 75 Undriel_Raven_of_RavenRock.esp
254 FE 20 mihaildwarvenmagetta.esp
118 76 BodySearch.esp
254 FE 21 JailRape.esp
119 77 XPMSE.esp
254 FE 22 BottledBats.esp
120 78 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
254 FE 23 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
121 79 Sound of Weapons.esp
122 7a DrinkItOff.esp

 

 

As you can see, the list of plugins at the end of the crash log are in a very different order from the LOOT/Vortex load order. RefID's are different from what they should be, etc.

 

I don't know why the plugins would be rearranged in game.

I don't know why everything seems to be fine when I save and quit, but different when I reload the save.

I don't know why I (sometimes) have to reload several times before the internal mod order matches the external mod order.