Dawnguard: Harkons Plan

[TailAbNormal]

So I just finished the Dawnguard dlc (Yes I know it's been out for like a year.) and I was just wondering... Does anyone think Harkon's plan to block out the sun and take over the world would've worked?

 

The way I see it. on the Pro side

 

• The vampires are very powerful by default, and removing the sun would increase their power.
• There are people, both vampire and otherwise, spread across tamriel who would support the cause.
• The vampires would initially have the upper hand.
• A lot of people who become vampires seem to find it easy to betray their race. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TranshumanTreachery)
• Vampire Thralls make great slaves/spies/soldiers.
• Some of the Daedra would support them as well, Molag-Bal being a no brainer.

Things stacked against them.

• The Dawnguard or a similar group inspired by them will eventually arise and become the main force fighting against the vampires.
• Other super powerful/gifted people like the dragonborn popping to fight vampires.
• The dragons (possibly)
• The thalmor
• The Aedra
• Deadra like Merida or Hircine.
• Total environmental collapse. (I actually think this is a lesser concern considering how physics/biology work to the Elder Scrolls universe.)

I'm kind of leaning toward the vampires losing because of being outnumbered, and overestimating their power, but If it was more of a cold war/recruitment before any real fighting, then the vampires would have the numbers to take over.

[McclaudEagle]

Aside from the environmental problems this would cause, the biggest problem with Harkon's plan is the immense military retaliation. His plan would in effect be sending all vampires down a suicidal road that would be impossible to recover from. Special forces in particular, like the Blades, Thalmor, Penitus Occulatus; would be very much engaged in missions to eliminate vampires. And a full on face-to-face battle would be suicidal as they would face an immeasurable amount of enemy force.

 

So yes, Harkon's plan would work...but it would be suicide.

[SeraphimKensai]

I think blotting out the sun would make it so the world would eventually freeze killing off all the crops, animals and then people. The Vampires would then be S.O.L. as well since their food source had died out.

 

Realistically, Harkon would be smarter making a special sunscreen that let's vampires run around in the daylight without consequence.

[kleinstaff]

If i was Harkon before implementing my master plan i would infiltrate and subjefate/corrupt as many of the most important organisations in Tamriel i could find

this might take a few years but who cares if you are a vampire

the enviremental issues is of no concern thrals can eat mushrooms or lesser thrals if needed , my enemies( those not yet corrupted by my infiltration and turned over to my sideà however will be devastated however by famine , disease and general panic and hysteria

[Rennn]

I agree with what everyone else has said, but I can also expand on the reasons why Harkon is screwed.

 

If the sun was darkened, even ignoring the fact that all life on Tamriel would die, the Falmer would most likely swarm the surface and kill everyone. Their time spent underground means that only the vampires would be a real threat in the darkness, and there are probaby 500% more Falmer than vampires.

 

Harkon would inherit a world ruled by Alduin, and there would be no dragonborn to stop the dragons.

 

Harkon only personally owns 1 smallish castle, and the Imperials, Stormcloaks, and Thalmor would all bomb it into rubble.

 

The Hist would assume control of the Argonians, as they did during the Oblivion Crisis. Considering these Hist-controlled Argonians effectively drove the Daedra themselves out of Blackmarsh in lore, the vampires would last 7 minutes.

 

Molag Bal would not be allowed to gain total power over Tamriel without the other Daedric princes intervening. Look at what happened to Jyggalag aka Sheogorath.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Rennn

[Rennn]

If i was Harkon before implementing my master plan i would infiltrate and subjefate/corrupt as many of the most important organisations in Tamriel i could find

this might take a few years but who cares if you are a vampire

the enviremental issues is of no concern thrals can eat mushrooms or lesser thrals if needed , my enemies( those not yet corrupted by my infiltration and turned over to my sideà however will be devastated however by famine , disease and general panic and hysteria

 

The "environmental issues" are actually of concern. The temperature would eventually fall to less than -200 degrees Celcius, low enough to kill all thralls, men, and mer. Even mushrooms would die. And of coure, it would be literally impossible to drink blood at that temperature, even if the vampires somehow survived.

[sajuukkhar9000]

The "environmental issues" are actually of concern. The temperature would eventually fall to less than -200 degrees Celcius, low enough to kill all thralls, men, and mer. Even mushrooms would die. And of coure, it would be literally impossible to drink blood at that temperature, even if the vampires somehow survived.

There would be no environmental effects, period.

 

The sun in the Elder Scrolls universe is not a giant ball of gas, but a portal to Atherius from which magic flows.

 

Blotting out the sun doesn't stop magic from coming through, nor does it stop heat, it only stops the harmful effects of pure atherial magic to vampires from coming through.

 

Edited July 24, 2013 by sajuukkhar9000

[luzburg]

The dragons would be a big problem seeing as many of them can breath fire lol.

Fire mages.

Theres the fact that many of the vampires who know its a foolish plan would side against Harkon.

The companions would be formidable foes.

Perhaps such an event would draw the greybeards into the conflict.

[MidbossVyers]

 

The "environmental issues" are actually of concern. The temperature would eventually fall to less than -200 degrees Celcius, low enough to kill all thralls, men, and mer. Even mushrooms would die. And of coure, it would be literally impossible to drink blood at that temperature, even if the vampires somehow survived.

There would be no environmental effects, period.

 

The sun in the Elder Scrolls universe is not a giant ball of gas, but a portal to Atherius from which magic flows.

 

Blotting out the sun doesn't stop magic from coming through, nor does it stop heat, it only stops the harmful effects of pure atherial magic to vampires from coming through.

 

 

Considering at least some plants in Tamriel are green, I'm pretty sure photosynthesis still applies.

[sajuukkhar9000]

Considering at least some plants in Tamriel are green, I'm pretty sure photosynthesis still applies.

And again, blotting out the sun does not stop sunlight from coming through.