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The scrolls do not dictate anything, merely foretell possibilities Actually, the worlds Alduin eats dies. The gods make a new one, but the old does not continue inside Alduin.

This has nothing to do about personal belief, I was merely pointing out that the list you used for Lorkhan's avatars came out BEFORE Pelinal was actually a thing, thus doesn't include him because he wasn't created yet, not because Kirkbride doesn't consider him an avatar of Lorkhan.

That's impossible without mods. He changed direction because the pale pass had a collapse/avalanche and was unusable.

Except it isn't. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Book_of_the_Dragonborn "Because of this connection with the Emperors, however, the other significance of the Dragonborn has been obscured and largely forgotten by all but scholars and those of us dedicated to the service of the blessed Talos, Who Was Tiber Septim. Very few realize that being Dragonborn is not a simple matter of heredity - being the blessing of Akatosh Himself, it is beyond our understanding exactly how and why it is bestowed."

You are aware that list came out before Knights of the Nine, and before Pelinal was actually made into a shezzarine?

Being a time traveler doesn't mean he isn't an avatar of Lorkhan. You dont even fight Hircine, but rather, an aspect of him. as he says in bloodmoon, fighting the full power of him would be unfair, and unsportsmanlike. Also, you are thinking of Malacath as a Daedraic prince the others dont consider a Daedra. Nothing, to my best knowledge, has said anyone doesn't consider Hircine as full dadric prince.

You keep all of your werewolf perks if you become a vampire. If you get lycanthropy again, they will all still be there.

You forgot to list the wars between the Nords and the Falmer, and the Redguards and the Left-Handed elves. And then there was the combined efforts of High Rock and Hammerfell, which took down Camoran Usurper. And one could even consider the Dunmer vs the Dwemer, as the Dunmer have a mannish view of the world, and Nerevar was an agent of Padhome just like Alessia, Ysmir, and Tiber were.

The book "Before the gaes of man" says "It was in the Late Merethic Era that the pre-literate humans, the so-called "Nedic Peoples", from the continent of Atmora (also 'Altmora' or 'the Elder Wood' in Aldmeris) migrated and settled in northern Tamriel." However, both Kurt Kuhlmann, and Michael Kirkbride, have said the Nedes are not from Atmora. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/kurt-kuhlmann-posts On the origin of Nedes "The usual Imperial arrogance. The hoary old "Out of Atmora" theory has been widely discredited (no reputable archaeologist would publicly support it these days), but the Imperial Geographers continue to beat the drum of the Nordic Fatherland in the best tradition of the Septim Empire. They seem to think that the imprimature of officialdom gives their outdated scholarship added weight -- which, unfortunately, it appears to in the eyes of the ever-gullible public which continues to snap up the latest Pocket Guides along with the rest of their Imperial Certified pablum. (HA)" http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride Out of Atmora (07/10/08): And for the last time (uh huh), Nedes != Atmorans. That's just shoddy scholarship from a bygone regime. This allows us to debunk "Before the Ages of Man", and also serves as the basis for native human live on Tamriel, which connects to Nu-Hatta's comment, in the Nu-Matia Intercepts, that all mortal life began on Tamriel, and the Nord's "sky-children" belief.

Well yes, all the races of men, except the Redguards, are known to be related to each other. I see no reason to doubt Nu-Hatta's claim that all life began on Tamirel, especially given what we know about Aldmeris being nonexistent, and all the Nordic legends of being created on Tamirel. He is also the primary source of tower-knowledge, which the game's are built upon.

Children of the Sky : "Nords consider themselves to be the children of the sky. They call Skyrim the Throat of the World, because it is where the sky exhaled on the land and formed them." Pocket Guide to The Empire : "Throat of the World: This is the highest mountain in Skyrim, and the highest in Tamriel aside from Vvardenfell in Morrowind. The Nords believe men were formed on this mountain when the sky breathed onto the land. Hence the Song of Return refers not only to Ysgramor's return to Tamriel after the destruction of Saarthal, but to the Nords' return to what they believe was their original homeland." Varieties of Faith in the Empire : "Kyne (Kiss At the End): Nordic Goddess of the Storm. Widow of Shor and favored god of warriors. She is often called the Mother of Men. Decree of Monument : "Let it stand in honor of those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's Offer "untithed to any thane or hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor." More Kyne/Children of the sky stuff

Except that -The Skyforge, which is in the shape of an eagle, the ancient Nordic animal totem of Kyne, and sits in the shadow of the Throat of the world, is described as http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Songs_of_the_Return "Of those who wrought it solid from its mother-stone, nothing could be said, but it was known to drive a magic almost as old as Nirn itself, some remnant of the gods' efforts to render a paradise in Mundus before the shattering of Lorkhan." Putting Kyne in Skyrim before Mer. -"Shor son of Shor" puts not only Lorkhan and Kyne, but an army of Nords, at the Throat of the World before his sundering at convention. Which connects to the information we know about the Skyforge pre-dating Lorkhan's death. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/shor-son-shor-full -Nu-Hatta, of the Sphinxmoth Inquiry Tree, says the following in the Nu-Mantia Intercept http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept "Do not believe the written histories. All mortal life started on the starry heart of Dawn's beauty, Tamriel." -Even Gelebor in Dawnguard makes mention of the Nords attack being because they believed they were reclaiming their ancient homeland. I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make about the Falmer in you spoiler, I never brought them up at all.

-According to ancient legends, The Nrods were created on the throat of the world by Kyne at the dawn of time, meaning they would be the first inhabitants of skyrim. -It isn't worth noting that Hammerfell wouldn't ally with The Empire because its not true in the slightest. -Which I was pointing out

That's not entirely accurate.

-No he wasn't, Tiber Septim was born and raised in the High Rock kingdom of Alcaire, and there's some evidence to show he wasn't even a nord. -You mean through the powers of another, Ysmir Wulfharth, and through ordering the assassination of his own king, does he unify Cyrodiil under The Septim dynasty, along with the rest of Tamirel in a short time after. -Actually, the empire as it is now is planning to screw over the elves. -So that they could rebuild and gather their strength so they could overthrow those outsiders.

I wouldn't say hes equal to Akatosh either, him being on a lower plane pretty much makes that impossible. Alduin's level of existence is highly unique, with no other creature being in it but him. Above mortals, but below the divines. He is the 1.5, to the mortals 1, and the divines 2. As for shor, he is Lorkhan, his place would be above alduin, at the same level as Akatosh.

Alduin is the firstborn of Akatosh, he was split from Akatosh by the heavens themselves, and representable Akatosh on a lower plane of existence. Just like anu and Padhome exist on the highest tier of life, and then sub-gradient themselves on a lower plane as Anuiel and Sithis, who in turn sub-gradient themselves on a even lower plane as Akatosh and Lorkhan. Anu - Anuiel - Akatosh - Alduin Padhome - Sithis - Lorkhan - Shezzarines?

Why would being a divine's champion make you "allergic" to the deadra? The Divines don't care about the Daedra, so long as they dont try to invade the world, nor do they care if people are Daedra worshipers. And no daedra dont try to keep mortals as weak as possible, if anything, they are about making mortals more powerful, so that they sow the world with change.

And again, blotting out the sun does not stop sunlight from coming through.

I believe the real Barenziah meant that Mer can live to around 1000, but most of them never make it that far due to war, disease, famina, etc. etc., which makes the average Mer's lifespan around 200-300 years. Barenziah was considered old at 400 in Tribunal. Its much like how people could live to 70-80 easily in the medieval day, but the "average" human lifespan was 30 because of how many people died during infancy. The difference between the CoC, and others using the relics, is that the coC is the only one who gained them ALL, and was blessed by the gods to complete that which was missing, the power of the ninth, who was missing in Pelinal's days. The prophet even specifically says you are Pelinal reborn. Both time and space didn't exist before Mundus either, everything just WAS everywhere, and everywhen, and nowhere, and nowhen, but we dont see the creation or new gods in order to explain the re-purposing of time and space when Mundus was made. As for it being a mantling story, no god, outside of Akatosh and Lorkhan, has ever been mantled, and the story lacks the mythic symbolism needed in order to support a mantling.

1. Being made a saint only means you did a whole bunch of stuff that people liked. It doesnt prevent you fom doing evil things. 2. The protagonist of Oblivion is believed to be a Shezzarine, an avatar of Shezzar, which is the Imperial's version of Lorkhan, just like Pelinal Whitestrake, Ysmir wulfharth, Tiber Septim, and Zurin Arctus were. He is not just a normal man. 3. Talos became a divine because he is Lorkhan reborn, and took Lorkhan's place in the pantheon of gods as the 9th. arkay didn't ascend, he always was, the story of him being a shop keeper is just that, a story.

That's not 100% true. The average Mer lifespan is around the same as Berenziah, if lucky, not 1000. Living for 1000 years, or longer, is something that requires magics to achieve.

There would be no environmental effects, period. The sun in the Elder Scrolls universe is not a giant ball of gas, but a portal to Atherius from which magic flows. Blotting out the sun doesn't stop magic from coming through, nor does it stop heat, it only stops the harmful effects of pure atherial magic to vampires from coming through.

-False, all demands within the concordant were demands that Titus Mede II refused to follow when the Dominion's ambassador come to Cyrodiil with the heads of all Blades agents in the Dominion's lands. He did not make it up, he simply signed it. -Also false, nothing states every Dominion solider in Cyrodiil was dead, just that the army was destroyed, meaning it was broken. -The difference between Mede's situation, and that of other leaders in history, is that all of Mede's lands were destroyed to the point of being unusable, and if he continued the war, he would be forced to split his already nearly nonexistent armed forces between rebuilding the province, and trying to hold off The Dominion, who had just as many forces left, and untouched lands, meaning the Dominion had a clear advantage because they had no need to divert men to rebuilding. Titus Mede's victory was totally phyrric, he won, but he got nothing but a destroyed, nearly unusable, province from it. Both sides new this, Titus had no power to dictate anything, as anyone could see that if he continued the war, it would only go into a stalemate for years, with The Dominion eventually winning. -I find this doubtful also, if anything, i bet they expected it, they knew they still had the advantage, and they knew Mede knew it also.

You speak as though the next game has to start with the next great war already over.