Modding Has Ruined Skyrim.

[SpiderAkira]

Skyrim is meant to run one mod at a time. Of course nobody will. Myself a modder, gets frustrated at the CTD'S that happen every now and then. That's the one flaw with Bethesda is that the mods people are making are too much for the game to handle.

I had to reduce to half of the mods I had. At 120 still active the game runs much better than before but crashes are still present every 2-3 hours. If there's one thing learned while playing Bethesdas games is have autosave on and quicksave often.

 

Try clearing your virtual storage cache for Skyrim in the Appdata folder.

It's the only advice I can give. Everyone else has suggested everything would.

[RS13]

 

To be blunt... a lot of people are responding in ways that make it very, very, VERY clear they haven't paid any attention to what RS13 has said.

 

It's quite clear he has an incompatible mod list and refuses to change it.

 

 

When I said I'd tried *everything* did it sound to you like I meant think I'd tried everything *except* the most obvious thing? I've tried changing my mods over and over again. When I said I'd tried installing them a few at a time, did it sound to you like I installed a few got a crash and kept going?

What I never said is that I really wanted or expected your help. Yet, you seem intent on offering unasked for advice while believing the worst of me. If you're determined to believe that I just refusing to follow your great skyrim-fixing advice, you could just not comment here.

Even if its as simple as a mod incompatibility, that is of no help if the incompatibility's impossible to find. As I've said my problem is that it goes from stable to unstable when I'm doing nothing but playing the game. I take pretty extensive notes as I install mods and play-test skyrim. Here's some from almost 2 months (and multiple re-installs) ago:

1.) 4/29: 1PM: 1hr+ NC.

Mods: Skyre, RGM's, BV, Predator vision, BMR, Werewolf Mastery

Notes: Werewolf is considered a vampire. Does not show up in predator vision. Keeps {vampire} buffs.

2.) 4/29: 4PM: Nearly 1hr. NC

New Mods: Imaginator, Mighty Magic Scaling and DC, VampireLord Royal, WATERx2, Footprints

3.) 4/31: 1hr+ NC. Mostly crafted items

New Mods: Armonizer, TERA Armors, Better Dynamic Snow, Wet and Cold, W&C: Ashes, WMGAtmos, C-Horses x2, Bandolier, Harvest, Harvest Overhaul x2, KACE, Lock Overhaul, Customizable Weights, UFO x3, Razer Plate, Achieve That, EEO, CraftableODPM

4.) 4/31: Installed All Mods. CTD b/t 30-45 mins {Haha; I got greedy.}

5) 5/1: 2Hr (about 1.5 of constant play). NC

NEW Mods: Unofficial Patches, 13 Oranges's Stuff, MoonPath, Wrymstooth, Locational Damage, Heart Breaker

Removed: KACE.

6) 5/1: Crashed in Under 20 Minutes

NEW Mods: Deadly Mutilation, Dance of Death, DCO, Summon Shadow Merchant, No Auto Skill Books, Deadly Dragons, Portal, Apocalypse, Midas, Mining for Mages, conjure Chest, Glowtastic, Spell Tome-Escape, Slow Fall.

7) 5/1: Played for roughly 1hr. NC.

Removed: Deadly Mutilation.

8} 5/2: Game froze at loading screen after roughly 1 hr (Less than that in terms of playing time). Again had Crouch Down Problems; Dead bodies not being harvested; fixed by changing the items to be harvested from deadbodies and then changing back.

NEW MODS: MagicDuel Reborn, Spell Combos, Proper Aiming, Enhanced Blood Textures, DB Ascendant, My Home is Your Home, Blaze of Eventide

9) 5/3: Crashed in under 30 mins. Again, the problem occurred on a load screen.

Same mods as (8}

10) 5/3: Crashed at around 45 mins. Not on loadscreen.

Removed Spell Combos, DB Ascendant, My Home is Your Home and Magic Duel Reborn.

11) 5/3: Game froze in under 20 mins. Not on loadscreen.

Removed Proper Aiming, Enhanced Blood Textures and Blaze of Eventide. Now Back to the mods I had after removing Deadly mutilation. (5/1).

12) 5/3: Crashed after roughly an hour. Still Having Crouch Down Problems. Harvest not working on Deadbodies.

Removed DCO. 3.54.

Dropped to config in (5) except without KACE. Reloaded (3Fin) {That's the name last save made before I installed everything}. Harvest Worked. Crashed in the time it took my roommate to take a shower.

Deleted Everything.

The only changes between this and what I see in TextEdit are the {comments} and the line "Crashed in the time it took my roommate to take a shower" which was changed to keep my rm's name off the internet. That's it. [Edit and the "}" after 8. It used to be a ")" but 8 ) shows up as an emoticon without the space.]

As you can see the problem was--as I've said over and over again--I installed a group of mods and it seemed stable. I installed more and the game started crashing. I reverted to the old, apparently stable mods and savegame and it wasn't.

I'm more knowledgable about modding now than I was 2 months ago. I've also gotten more precise in my install process and record keeping since then (looking at it now, it looks like I may have uninstalled KACE Auto-loot without reverting to an old save, but I may have failed to note the reversion; I know I didn't use the save with all the mods installed). I've scaled back my expectations (hey this sounds familiar). I've completely given up on half of the very first batch of mods I installed then. I no longer use of the mods installed at config (5). I am not trying to play as a vampire and a werewolf anymore (although that was my number 1 goal when that time through). I still can't get it to work. I refuse to play vanilla Skyrim. I refuse to play Skyrim with just a few mods. But I don't refuse to change my mod list. I've done it over and over again.

Edited July 28, 2013 by RS13

[Shadeybladey]

 

 

 

It's quite clear he has an incompatible mod list and refuses to change it.

 

 

 

When I said I'd tried *everything* did it sound to you like I meant think I'd tried everything *except* the most obvious thing? I've tried changing my mods over and over again. When I said I'd tried installing them a few at a time, did it sound to you like I installed a few got a crash and kept going?

What I never said is that I really wanted or expected your help.

 

I can see that as you haven't answered most of what I have asked you.

 

I can also see that you clearly stated you have reduced them to 53 mods which you absolutely will not play without (and therefore will not change any of them), and yet you seem to have no idea what you are doing.

 

You could not even enable papyrus logging, so I told you how.

 

You insist on having multiple visual mods that overlap in their effect, you insist on running Hearthfire even though it is known to cause crashes with SO many mods, you insist on using the 53 mods you have left and yet several people have mentioned some that cause problems, either alone or together.

 

Removing mods with scripts won't help unless you start a new game, and it's best to keep a Vanilla save and enabling the mods when you are in the Helgen dungeon. And when you remove mods you should remove the esp, bsa, meshes, textures, scripts and anything else to do with them, not just deactivate them and leave everything where it is.

 

You probably have not even checked compatibility with the DLCs, never mind between mods, and I bet you have driver problems and your machine is choked with dust and fluff. If you are crashing due to overheating, you have the leave the machine off for a few hours, not blunder on regardless.

 

This is my mod list and load order and I don't have any of your problems. The problem is not with Skyrim or modding, it's with your hardware and mod list.

 

 

 

No ESP

A Quality World Map v8.0 – All Roads, Clear Skies

Categorized Favorites Menu

D13 Faster Get up Stand up animation-17491-2-0

Frostfall Belt-Fastened Quivers 1.1

Hold Borders - New - All Roads v8_1-5739-8-1

HQ3DMap - Meshes Hi-Res-4817-2-0

Legwon's Coloured Map and HUD Markers with my colours

MDX_NoPoisonDialogs-1_0-

No Boring Sleep Wait

Skyrim Glowing Ore Veins

Smart Souls.dll

Subliminal Traps 2-2653-2

Travel Cloak HD

XPMS 1-5-1 NMM Installer-26800-1-5-1 (for dual sword shethes)

 

ESP Mods

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

AP Skyrim.esm

SPIKE.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

NGNPC.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Chesko_Frostfall.esp

Rainbows.esp

_pocketempirebuilder.esp

BardSoundsMalukah.esp

Economics of Skyrim.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

Bag of Holding.esp

Birds.esp

Birdsofskyrim.esp

Bring Out Your Dead.esp

CP Apple Trees.esp

d_b Whetstone.esp

DivinePunishmentForArrowsToTheKnee.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

DungeonQuestAwareness.esp

HunterTraps.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Factions.esp

Immersive Mercenaries.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

RealShelter.esp

ScarabHearthstone.esp

skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Traps Make Noise.esp

Footprints.esp

WetandCold.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

battleflute.esp

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

Lanterns.esp

LinguistPack.esp

MapTomes.esp

PsilocybinMushrooms.esp

PsilocybinMushrooms_FlyAmanita.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp

MIDFollowMeCloser.esp

Immersive Events.esp

Life In Prison.esp

LocalizedGuildJobs.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

YourMarketStall.esp

BetterSwimming.esp

BurntCorpse.esp

DartTrap harder.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

WeaponsArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp

Headtracking.esp

ImmediateDragons.esp

JailtimeMax100.esp

KillingTraps.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-No Screen Blood.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

TwoRings.esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

vinis_crime_gold.esp

Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

abotFiresHurt.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp

RND_USKP-Patch.esp

BuryTheDead.esp

ConjurationMadnessModv1.esp

MystraTransmuteOreNoCooldown.esp

Magelight Multi Cast.esp

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

Realistic crime report radius.esp

DragonCombatOverhaul.esp

Stealth Skills Rebalanced_PICKPOCKET.esp

Atlas Map Markers.esp

Atlas Blackreach.esp

SIDT - Skyrim.esp

Unique Region Names.esp

DaedricPunishmentForSweetrolls.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

_shb_SWSQ_SilverSmithing.esp

_shb_Sunray.esp

LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp

Smash It Up - Functional Mills.esp

AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp

alchemy guide.esp

Leveled skyrim.esp

Realistic poison.esp

Spider Terror.esp

Bully brawlers.esp

justified knockbacks.esp

Realistic NPC Vampires.esp

GrassOnSteroids_NaturalEdition_SFO.esp

Hidden Shadows V2.esp

Bards&Merchants.esp

BardsCollegeBed.esp

MultiSack.esp

_shb_Healers&Poisoners.esp

UFOtweak.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp

World_Map_Height_Pitch_Tweak_250.esp

 

 

 

 

And I have a friend who is a compulsive mod tester and this is his esp list (not his load order)

 

 

 

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

SPIKE.esm (required for Guard Dialogue Overhaul)

ApachiiHair.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

unofficial dawnguard patch.esp

unofficial dragonborn patch.esp

unofficial hearthfire patch.esp

1.9 and Legendary Fixes.esp = Fixes the missing Help file for the Legendary Skills

1k_dds_shrubs.esp (better shrubs trees and grass)

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Angi's Bow.esp = Gave Angi a bit better Bow to give you if you pass all her tests

AnotherBlackThievesGuildArmor_v2.1.esp = Nice Thief Armour Retex

Aranya.esp = Pack Mule

ASIS.esp = You need to research this one, does a lot, makes the game 'interesting'

ASIS-Dependency.esp

Atlas Blackreach.esp

Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp

Atlas Dragonborn.esp

Atlas Map Markers.esp

Aurora.esp

Axes, Picks and Firewood..esp = Just a few weight reductions

Bag of Holding.esp = A Bag that Holds Everything and weighs nothing, Cheat Really

beautiful riften.esp

beautiful whiterun.esp

BetterMagic_FULL.esp = Nice Magic Mod, not overdone

betterquestobjectives.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp

Birdsofskyrim.esp

Blades and SkyForge Loot.esp = some low % random loot addtions

BR_HoodCirclets.esp = Circlets and Hoods together

Brighter Handheld Torch.esp = actully makes them about 20 to 25% brighter?

bring out your dead.esp (additional graves for dead NPC's)

character creation overhaul.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-VanillaNights-Lvl-1.esp (Still too dark for my liking)

Cloaks.esp

convenientcrossbows.esp

CookingExpanded - Dragonborn.esp

CookingExpanded - Hearthfire.esp

CookingExpanded.esp

crossbow bandits.esp

Crossbow Speed.esp = Work in progress.

crossbows for the empire.esp

crossbows for the stormcloaks.esp

d_b Whetstone.esp = Used like a grinding wheel, not well tested yet

DaedricPunishmentForSweetrolls.esp (Another silly fun mod )

Dark Elf (Blondie).esp = My character face preference saved as a preset

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

dD-No Screen Blood.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DescaledUniques.esp = Uniques are all at the maximum level they can be

DivinePunishmentForArrowsToTheKnee.esp (silly fun mod )

dovahkiin_levitate_spell.esp = Poor description, more a teleportation spell

dungeonquestawareness.esp

enchanting freedom.esp---free's up some of the items Vanilla forgot to let you use.

EnhancedCrafting.esp

Equip more Rings (2).esp = Use Two Rings, the Author has variations up to 8 rings

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp = Nice facial rework of all the Elven Races

follower trap safety.esp

FollowerArwyn.esp = Pack Mule

Footprints - Ash.esp

Footprints.esp

goldleafponyfarm .esp = Little know Mod that adds Ponies, Slof did the textures I believe

GrassOnSteroids_Short.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

hdplants+herbs.esp

Hidden Shadows V2.esp = A very special Hideout, popular with Thieves

ImmediateDragons.esp = A must have Mod, Dragons start straight away

improvedskaalleathers.esp = Upgrade on the Dragonborn Skall Fur Armour

Inconsequential NPCs.esp---Adds a few extra NPC's around Skyrim

insanity's dragonbane.esp = Katana Blade to Make

insanity's silver bow.esp = Maybe too good against Draugr?

Insanity's Sorrow.esp = Katana Blade to Make

insanity's steel bow.esp = Not made this one as yet

IShdr1bloom0_All.esp

isilnarsil.esp = LOTR Swords

item sorting by saige.esp

item sorting db by saige.esp

item sorting dg by saige.esp

item sorting hf by saige.esp

Journeymans Nook.esp = a little tweak to the same name Vanilla location

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

Less Dust.esp = Removes a high % of those light sources full of floating dust

Light as a Thief.esp = Mod that adds a clue to one part of the Hidden Shadow mod

lighter_alchemy_ingredients.esp

lighter_mining_smithing_materials.esp

lightweight potions and poisons.esp

Lilium_CompanionA.esp

localizedguildjobs.esp

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp = BBB

lt_better_horses.esp = My prefered Horse Mod with the 'Call Horse Whistle'

lush grass and trees.esp

Magelight Multi Cast.esp = As said allows Mutiple Magelights, I forget to use it

master alchemy book.esp---cheat alchemy guide

MIDFollowMeEvenCloser.esp (followers keep up with you)

minemapmarkers.esp

miningfaster.esp

Minor Craft Tweaks.esp = Lockpicks and minor things that other Mods now have

moardragons.esp = You want Dragons this gives you MOAR Dragons

more carriages.esp = Carriages in all towns and villages

morrowindimports.esp = Some Dragonborn Morrowind stuff in Riften

Moss Rocks.esp

MVABasic.esp (More Village Animals)

Mzark.esp = a special just for a friend

NewmNecklaces2.esp = ?

No Helmet Needed.esp = tweak to the armour Perk's, reduced from 25% to 20%

No Kill Moves.esp = Stops all Kill Moves

NoBlur.esp

noblurdof.esp---Remove movement blur

nosneakattacksound.esp

nu_female_followers.esp = Pack Mules with Ethereal Facial Tweaks, looks good

One Safe Urn in Raven Rock.esp = Raven Rock has no safe storage, not now though

point the way.esp (Better Sign Posts)

Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp = Not seen this actually in action so far

Random Assassin Armor to Loot.esp = that random DB Assasin now has armour

Real Sujamma.esp = A test at making Skyrim Sujamma like the Morrowind One

realisticwhiterun.esp

Right Attack Release Horse.esp = Fix to a right hand horse power attack in Vanilla

RiverWood Home(2).esp = Small Home fits in well with the village

run for your lives.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp = Arthmoor, sets the NPC's to go inside when Dragons attack

sabrefurbag.esp---IMO the best backpack mod

ScarabHearthstone.esp

ScarabHearthstone.esp = A place marker to travel back to, very handy in your home

Severin Manor.esp = updated the Player Manor in Raven Rock

Skeleton Resurrection.esp = Skeletons can get up and attack again, Ouch

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

smelter in solitude.esp = Adds Smelters to all the cities, towns and villages

smeltorswheretheyshouldbe.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp = AAA

Steel Bolts For All.esp = Crossbows without starting Dawnguard, fixes a silly idea

Talos Priests wear a Talos Amulet.esp = added Talos Amulet to two dead Talos Monks.

The Dance of Death.esp

the paarthurnax dilemma.esp

Thieves Guild Armour.esp = Chest of Thieves Armour in the Thieves Guild Base

Tougher Traps.esp = Traps can really hurt you now, like dead hurt you

Valor Armor.esp = New Texture but needs another Mod to make the Valor Armour Playable

vibrantauroras.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

WestWindMisfit.esp---Mage Clothes Mod, more for the resale value as its female only

when vampires attack.esp

WhiterunTreesLite.esp

yogweapons.esp = One Blade only that reminds me of the Elven Blade Mods in Oblivion

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

World_Map_Height_Pitch_Tweak_170.esp

 

 

 

And his system is an i3.

 

We have managed to find a stable set of mods. So why is it that you are hitting the same brick wall?

 

So if you think the problem is with the game, or modding the game in general, rather than with the mods you irresponsibly insist on, fine.

 

Jog on! :dance:

 

~.~

[RS13]

Shadey, you are not listening to me.

I never once said that "the problem is with the game, or modding the game in general."

 

In the OP I said "I don't know how some of yall play with 200 mods installed" which implies that I believe that some of yall DO in fact get it to run with that many mods.

 

Later on the first page: "Unless someone wants to personally come to my house and get my game running, there's almost certainly nothing you can do. " Again, sounds like I think it can be done.

 

And finally a few post ago I said: "I don't doubt that Skyrim can be made (relatively) stable with more mods than I have--and that makes inability to get it stable all the more frustrating."

 

Yet you seem intent on taking my problems as a challenge to Skyrim or modding in general. It's not. I have no doubt you, your i3-using friend and many others get Skyrim to work with mods. That doesn't help me. And your insults and insistence that I'm been irresponsible with months worth of modding don't help me either.

 

I'd appreciate if you could please comment on another thread. We obviously disagree about my basic competence as a modder, the quality of advice you've given, and the nature and difficulty of my problems. I don't want to turn this into a debate about, well, any of the things you seem willing to accuse me of. Go ahead, believe the worst about me. I won't even hold it against you. Just leave this thread to commentators who will either voice understanding for my frustration or who offer suggestions without assuming that I haven't done the basics.

[Shadeybladey]

You are not a modder, you are a mod user and you are obviously doing something wrong but you are not interested in learning what. I don't really care what you think my motives are, I have a compulsion to help people who can't get their game working properly.

 

You should always install the unofficial patches before anything else, for one thing, and some of your mods make major changes which conflict.

 

Also, by "Crouch Down Problems" do you mean getting stuck in sneak mode and not being able to stand, or vice versa?

 

Did you try sitting in a chair and standing up again?

 

You see, if you had come here for help three months ago, instead of blindly plodding on in your ignorance and arrogance, you would not have had such a frustrating time and would not be so pissed off and negative.

 

And you'd be more willing to be helped.

 

 

Jog on! :dance:

 

~.~

[fifteenspades]

 

 

I'd appreciate if you could please comment on another thread. We obviously disagree about my basic competence as a modder, the quality of advice you've given, and the nature and difficulty of my problems. I don't want to turn this into a debate about, well, any of the things you seem willing to accuse me of. Go ahead, believe the worst about me. I won't even hold it against you. Just leave this thread to commentators who will either voice understanding for my frustration or who offer suggestions without assuming that I haven't done the basics.

 

 

To be fair what is basic to some isn't basic to others. soooo... basically when you make a thread like this that is an obvious fishing. you should of expected people to tell you things you may have already done. but instead of being rude about it or ignoring them, just saying thank you for the advice but i have already done that, anything else? would of been sufficient

[TenderHooligan]

Such an obviously baiting thread title probably doesn't help either.

 

If someone claims modding has 'ruined' Skyrim on a modding site, modders are obviously going to want try and defend the community. Plus most people are generally nice and will just want to help after hearing such a story.

 

I can understand the OP's desire to rant. Believe me, at times I've been so frustrated with my setup that I too felt like giving up. And as a teacher, I can relate to the pain of seeing the precious free time of summer slip away as you stare at your monitor and groan.

 

But the OP's resistance to help and advice does seem odd, like it's more important to complain than to fix the issue. If venting is more important then okay, you've now done that. But if you want to play Skyrim, why not listen to and try and work with the people offering their help freely? Maybe it's frustrating if people are only advising you on things you've already tried and haven't worked. But if there's one thing I've learned since modding Skyrim, it's that there's always someone who knows something you don't and there's always something else you can try. Always. So rather than blanketly saying "I've tried everything" and getting defensive, try and work with the posters by being helpful yourself.

[Raestloz]

With a mod list that big, incompatibilities is not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".

 

I had a crashing problem before at a very specific area in Riften. Had to disassemble about 50 mods that I have to find out that the problem stems from the fact that I cleaned Dawnguard.esm with TES5Edit... (others do not seem to have this issue, so it's probably related to my machine)

 

I had a crashing problem before even during Helgen breakout. Hours upon hours of watching a trigger happy Stormcloak getting cut off and idiotic Imperial General sounding all gung-ho again and again in an attempt to have a perfectly clean save. Turns out the problem is the mod I didn't want to let go. It's always the one mod you don't wanna let go.

 

I do not know about your current load order, but the general rules:

DO NOT install mods that pretty much do the same thing in different ways (overlapping). It's challenging Trouble. The last load order you post (that I managed to read) indicates you have multiple lighting/weather overhaul mods that overlap. That's not good. I also see a few mods that alter followers (especially Serana) so maybe they're conflicting

 

I do not know how you actually test the mods, but if you want to play your Skyrim, you really need to drop a few or more of your mods.

 

 

Most of your mods are armor mods. They, too, usually modify things that other mods rely. If anything, a good start is to play Skyrim with only unofficial patches first. After you get a stable game, add other mods one at a time.

 

IF you find a specific way to crash your game, stick to that and disassemble your load order until your game no longer crashes

[jjb54]

If this has already been said - Please forgive me:

 

When you said you did a total clean scrub and re-install ---

 

Did you also go into the:

 

<drive>:\My Games\Skyrim

 

and delete those files - there will be three files.

 

also in that same directory is:

 

<drive>:\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE

 

That also needs to be deleted too.

 

More often than not - at least with me, those files create a lot of CTD's. (A friend clued me in and wow - even in mid game, I'll go in - Delete - and good to go. For some reasons those files can get 'bugged' ....

 

Yes, you have to do some re-set in-game, like for me, turn the dang music off and re-set your game play level - what dialog is text on screen and such.

 

Just a thought - and if this has already been suggested - please accept my apology. I just found a few friends also did the "Complete clean/scrub" but was unaware of this directory also needs to be cleaned/scrubbed ...

[RS13]

Here's why I'm resistant to help. My problem is that in ALL the mod setups I've had, I've gone through three stages:

1) It works! Happy dance!

2) Oh . . . Well the occasional crash ain't that bad. I'll just save more often.

3) It's unplayable.

 

And whenever I get to this point, I can't get old saves to work even if they worked before and even if I'm using only the mods I had when I made that save. The only constants in the six or seven LOs I've put together are Sky UI and Predator Vision. (I can try dropping Predator Vision, but I'd be shocked if it was the cause of all this. And SkyUI really is non-negotiable. If it's causing problems I'm just gonna play Oblivion.)

 

I want to make it clear that appreciate the suggestions. I really, REALLY do. Even the unhelpful ones. I wasn't asking for help and the rush to help is really overwhelming.

 

But the rush to help, impressive though it is, just isn't getting at the right problem. Put this way. I feel like I'm Yao Ming, dealing with yet another leg injury. You'll are the doctors saying "well, we'll preform this or that surgery and do this or that rehab and then you'll be good as new." That's nice, but what happens when the *next* CTD-athon happens. I've been on the forums before and gotten advice that fixed my CTDs before. But they came back a few hours later. Maybe that's a mod conflict to, but if it takes hours to show up, how am I supposed to tell what's conflicting and how am I supposed to enjoy the game when I'm always waiting for the next crash?

 

My problem runs deeper than any particular set of mods. I need a solution that goes deeper as well. Whatever's going wrong, whatever I'm doing wrong, I'm doing wrong across multiple saves, across multiple mod configurations and across months.