Your info not safe in their hands.

[Skree000]

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"The Militarisation of Civilian Institutions

 

As part of its Civil Assistance Plan (CAP), the BPG is involved in supporting the ongoing militarisation of civilian law enforcement and judicial functions in both the US and Canada. The BPG has established "military contingency plans" which would be activated "on both sides of the Canada-US border" in the case of a terror attack or "threat". Under the BPG's Civil Assistance Plan (CAP), these so-called "threat scenarios" would involve:

 

"coordinated response to national requests for military assistance [from civil authorities] in the event of a threat, attack, or civil emergency in the US or Canada."

 

In December 2001, in response to the 9/11 attacks, the Canadian government reached an agreement with the Head of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, entitled the "Canada-US Smart Border Declaration." Shrouded in secrecy, this agreement essentially hands over to the Homeland Security Department, confidential information on Canadian citizens and residents. It also provides US authorities with access to the tax records of Canadians.

 

What these developments suggest is that the process of "binational integration" is not only occurring in the military command structures but also in the areas of immigration, police and intelligence. The question is what will be left over within Canada's jurisdiction as a sovereign nation, once this ongoing process of binational integration, including the sharing and/or merger of data banks, is completed?"

 

Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...va&aid=8323

 

Do you guys think this is a good idea?

International sharing of personal documents?

discuss.

[Vagrant0]

Doubtful. The US does not have enough organization to do anything as severe as taking over Canada. Sharing of military, or allowance of US troops on Canadian soil does not mean the dissolution of Canada as a sovereign nation. To perceive this as anything other than an allowance for troops to be moved into Canada in an effort to help preserve order or to offer assistance is rather narrow minded. We have enough problems managing our own country, and trying to take over Canada would only cause more problems in the long run since many countries would see this as a threatening act, the borders would become harder to secure, and civil unrest on both sides of the border would be the cause of too much damage. If the Canadian government said "Hey, we're going to give our country to the United States, eh. Everyone be a good American now, eh." I doubt there would be many who would be willing to accept this.

 

The thought of a unified North America has been around for about as long as there has been any nation over here. The reality is that unless total war broke out, see thread about war over resources, it isn't going to happen. And if it did, all hell would likely break loose.

[Skree000]

Heres the catch though.

 

at what point would the countries be merged under a single power structure.

 

They wouldnt announce it. It wouldnt be on tv or on the maps, they wouldnt draw canada and USa as one country. Things would just carry on as normal. From all outward appearances it might seem to be unified, but from within nothing would change.

 

Honestly as is they are pretty much unified already. The only thing they havent done is come out about it and change the names on the map. .... currency aside that is.

[Vagrant0]

Heres the catch though.

 

at what point would the countries be merged under a single power structure.

 

They wouldnt announce it. It wouldnt be on tv or on the maps, they wouldnt draw canada and USa as one country. Things would just carry on as normal. From all outward appearances it might seem to be unified, but from within nothing would change.

 

Honestly as is they are pretty much unified already. The only thing they havent done is come out about it and change the names on the map. .... currency aside that is.

Borders, citizenship, health and welfare services, treasuries, political parties, tax policies, laws, government configurations, and that's just the start. We honestly have more in common with some European nations once all is considered. Frankly, there's a bigger chance of several EU nations merging together due to political and economical necessities than there is for some sort of US - Canada combination due to some potential terrorist threat. The idea afterall, was put together soon after 9/11, and if you'd recall, very few were thinking rationally at that particular point in time... Even from a security standpoint, it would undoubtedly be easier to sneak something in through the Mexico border, or on one of those cargo ships from China than to come in through Canada. And they would have to be pretty desperate to try anything in Canada, there really isn't very much there worth blowing up.

[Skree000]

Borders, citizenship, health and welfare services, treasuries, political parties, tax policies, laws, government configurations, and that's just the start.

 

Borders = nafta brought them down behind the scenes, on the maps there are still divisions however. look up nafta superhighway

citizenship = chipped id cards are in the works in canada which mirror the RealID act in the US. One step closer to unification?

health = as per the aforementioned bill, personal information including health information is to be made available to US government authorities if need arises.

Treasuries = amero > USD+CDN

political parties = all major political parties in both US and Canada are funded and puppeteered by the same behind-the-scenes elites, whose reign spans across to england and the throne. (since canada is loyal to england, england is in on it as well). There is no left or right wing. Its all the same bird =P

tax policies = all north americans will soon endure Carbon taxes on pretty much everything. tax for breathing woot

etc

[Vagrant0]

Sounds too much like you've put on your tinfoil hat, and microwaved your cereal (to cancel out all those super small devices that FDA implants in the wheat and corn products to turn people into mindless republicans). You can't debate conspiracy, there simply aren't enough real facts, and there is a tendency to fall into sweeping, unfounded claims to support the possibility of something happening, without recognizing that it would not be in anyone's best interest for it to happen. The US would gain very little from annexing Canada, Mexico, or any other country at this point. Quite simply, the US is screwed up enough on its own, can't manage itself as is, and would inherit far too many problems even attempting this on any scale. There are no puppeteers working behind the scenes, atleast any organized puppeteers. Although government may be swayed by special interest groups and corporations, these groups are usually only looking out for their own selfish greed, and have little concern with the activities of normal people beyond forcing what people eat, drink, wear, read/watch, think and say. And as long as someone more greedy is willing to come forward and outbid other groups, this will always be the case. The fact that there is any freedom in the world speaks more about the chaos and dis-unification of these groups than anything. The same is true in regards to different countries. Every country is looking out for their own interests, their own view of how life should be, and is taking payoffs from their own groups.

 

The reality is that the government can do pretty much whatever they want so long as the leadership, and the rest of the world condones the act. If the government sees it necessary to herd us into labor camps, strip us of all personal possessions, brand us with a number, history has shown, they can do that, and people will simply deny that it happened, or forget. We just have to trust that it would not be in the best interest of the government to take such actions, and that our own lives may not be deemed important enough to warrant such actions. Afterall, they are liable to start locking away the trouble makers long before they start locking up apathetic/ignorant citizens who just want to live their own damn lives. Whatever happens, happens, until it happens, it's all just conspiracy and conjecture.

 

I honestly don't care if the government puts a tracking chip in my arm, tattoos a bar code on the back of my neck, and records my every act. Anything they are likely to find out would be entirely too boring and meaningless for anyone to show even the slightest interest. And in this, I am far from being alone. People are just too goddam boring once you watch them long enough.

[Skree000]

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microwaved your cereal (to cancel out all those super small devices that FDA implants in the wheat and corn products to turn people into mindless republicans).

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lmao thats a new one...Whos got the tinfoil had on again?

 

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You can't debate conspiracy, there simply aren't enough real facts,

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Aside from the 'no left-or-right wing' debate, the rest are facts that they have already announced and/or implemented all of the above...

New canadian drivers licenses and health cards already contain a chip, RealID is already under way...

Official government sponsored media has already proposed a new currency (multiple times) for north america, and government is contemplating its implementation (their own words)

Carbon tax plans have already been announced and are being prepared, again, as per their own words.

 

unfounded claims to support the possibility of something happening,

unfortunately they are not only founded but announced and already advertised. It IS happening, lul :)

 

 

without recognizing that it would not be in anyone's best interest for it to happen.

Its in every major powers best interest to retain that power. Keeping the masses controlled and watched is very conducive to that goal.

 

The US would gain very little from annexing Canada, Mexico, or any other country at this point.

Correct, US has no reason to annex Canada when the powers of both are already allied in goals. It would be the same as if a couple was living commonlaw for 10 years, then contemplated getting married. Considering they are already married by law, spending all that money and effort to go through the routine of marriage would be pointless.

 

Quite simply, the US is screwed up enough on its own, can't manage itself as is,

In what way is the US screwed up, that couldn't be intentionally caused by its authority? Every aspect of its seemingly-chaotic degradation fits (coincidentally) into a need for a greater plan, a plan that only the ignorant can say they haven't already been hinting at, if not announcing.

 

There are no puppeteers working behind the scenes, atleast any organized puppeteers.

Evidence to suggest the opposite abounds, please show the reasoning behind this statement.

 

have little concern with the activities of normal people beyond forcing what people eat, drink, wear, read/watch, think and say.

ummm... re-read that sentence. Care little about their activities... aside from... every possible activity.

 

And as long as someone more greedy is willing to come forward and outbid other groups, this will always be the case.

Funny how the majority of the countries wealth has recently dissapeared into black holes in the past 4 months... tell me, who is going to 'outbid' anyone now?

 

The reality is that the government can do pretty much whatever they want so long as the leadership, and the rest of the world condones the act. If the government sees it necessary to herd us into labor camps, strip us of all personal possessions, brand us with a number, history has shown, they can do that, and people will simply deny that it happened, or forget.

Sorry, i was under the impression the Constitution was in direct opposition to this. If any authority took such actions, they would be in clear violation of such and fit for a coup.

 

We just have to trust that it would not be in the best interest of the government to take such actions, and that our own lives may not be deemed important enough to warrant such actions.

you mean, worthless enough, not important enough :)

 

I honestly don't care if the government puts a tracking chip in my arm, tattoos a bar code on the back of my neck, and records my every act. Anything they are likely to find out would be entirely too boring and meaningless for anyone to show even the slightest interest. And in this, I am far from being alone. People are just too goddam boring once you watch them long enough.

 

I never mentioned tracking chips implanted in the body. That just sounds like some kind of conspiracy.

[Vagrant0]

Wow, you actually made the effort to break that apart piece by piece...

 

At any rate, it's obvious that nobody else really cares about this issue, and it's apparent that atleast in this case, you aren't willing to listen to anything other than what you want to hear. As already said, these kinds of things were really more the kind of thing that Bush was setting up, and is basically either totally impractical, farfetched, or old ideas which never went anywhere. Aside from the usual cooperation that neighboring allies might be doing, there isn't anything else to this whole idea. Just because two countries are considering the usage of similar technologies does not mean that they are working together as one. Canada might have microchips on identification, but in the US, that kinda thing is still too expensive to be seen as worthwhile. Heck, the only system which currently exists in the US for determining who anyone is is a total mess due to countless persons forging or falsifying identities. You don't seem to understand quite how bassackward most government related ventures are over here. Ideas are well and good, but reality often tells a different story.

 

The bottom line is that regardless what any of this means, or what ever comes from it, it doesn't really matter. If the sovereignty of Canada is a concern, by your own admission, it's already been done away with. If it is confidentiality of information that you're concerned about, as suggested, unless you are sitting around building bombs, or are panning to stage your own little rebellion, neither government will be particularly interested in you. The US government can't even work to prevent their own home grown terrorists from working half the time, even during the days of the patriot act. Essentially, any information they might be concerned with would be things related to the participants after an incident has already occurred, which is exactly what that plan covers once you've looked at it from a legal perspective. Anything beyond that is merely conspiracy, and looking for things that aren't there, and aren't going to happen.

 

With that said, I'm done spending my time on this until something more meaningful is brought up.

[Skree000]

Didnt mean to be rude by breaking up your post and analysing it, I just feel very strongly about interpreting peoples words properly so I dont mis-understand the ideas they are conveying with them.

 

im not going to stage anything, being a 3d artist i can help them implement their game-recruiting and training programs on a larger scale ;) (Americas Army, the only 100% free next-gen 1st person shooter with no hidden RMT or DLC lol, as long as they spare me :)

 

being aware and examining trends to draw conclusions is one thing, but taking action... thats totally different, and outside of my interests. Sitting back being lazy and postulating is much safer lol :)

[LHammonds]

being aware and examining trends to draw conclusions is one thing, but taking action... thats totally different, and outside of my interests. Sitting back being lazy and postulating is much safer lol :)

And that is exactly what anyone wanting to take away the freedoms our forefathers have fought and died for so hard wants to hear from you.

 

Everyone has a decision to make: Are you a sheep or a sheep dog? (a question to answer for yourself) America was once full of sheep dogs but it appears that the species is growing too thin to protect the amount of sheep that exist today.