Windhelm Specific Issue - no spontaneous NPC dialogues

[Tetrol88]

Recently have found that the spontaneous NPC interaction dialogues in Windhelm - and no-where else - are failing to initiate.

Examples -

1) Rolff Stone Fist and Agrenor just stand looking at Suvaris Atherton, not bullying her. As such they never move - ever

2) Idesa Sadri and Grimvar Cruel-Sea stand outside of Aventus' house but don't have their dialogue about the dark sacrament - so never move away either

3) Brunwulf and a dark elf in the Grey Quarter don't have their conversation about Brunwulf speaking to Ulfric - at least Brunwulf still offers his quest if you speak to him.

4) Nurelion doesn't have his argument with Quintus, so the quest "The White Phial" doesn't start - and even if you console start it, Nurelion never gets the dialogue to complete it. I have even found that the shop doesn't open at all.

5) probably wrecks "Blood on the Ice" - but then that quest is "buggy as" even with modification.

6) plus - other conversations don't fire.

 

Looking in SSEEdit - there is a common thread - all of those mentioned above link to a quest FormID 3502E DialogueWindhelm . I would be pretty safe in assuming the trigger to that quest isn't firing - setstage DialogueWindhelm brings up 0. It has stages 0, 10 & 20, but setstage 10 or 20 moves the "getstage" to that, but has no apparent effect on the NPCs.

 

Anyone either have the same issue, or better still, know how to fix it. Only USSEP overwrites quest 3502E.

[Tetrol88]

Victory - of a sort. Really frustrated with not being able to get to the bottom of this, having looked in SSEEdit for conflicts, checked script lists in mods, found every linked reference to Quest RefID 3502E DialogueWindhelm and checked to see if those were in any mods other than USSEP etc - nada

I decided it was time for radical action - and simply disabling blocks of mods (starting with those that would be more likely to do something like this) and starting new games, then COC Windhelmstables and enter town. Decided I might as well get rid of a number of mods that I could do without first (Spring Cleaning). Might as well test after removing those - and - all back to normal. I don't know which of these may have been the culprit - so there are innocents here - but if you are suffering this problem and have any of these installed...

Bellari Island

AKA's Better World of Weapons

Civil War Aftermath

Return to the Thalmor Embassy

- those being the more likely

but also Solitude Skyway, Goliath Grouper (adds fish lol), Finding Velehk Sain and a follower mod - Fiona, Dragonborn follower.

I could go and install them back one by one - but sorry, not motivated enough...