Peregrine going anile on Melu2

[Melu2]

Okay, I am not an american but I did have the privileg to live in Oklahoma and Texas for eleven years. Needless to say I love the USA. This country is free because it was build upon biblical principles. nowhere on this earth have I expirinced such freedom as in the US. To keep this freedom these biblical principles MUST be kept since nobody can prosper apart from Gods commands.

And since it does affect the world what the US do, I rather have a President and Housemembers who are on the conservative side and have biblical principeles and values.....!

Okay, I just wanted to say that....! :!:

[Peregrine]

Okay, I am not an american but I did have the privileg to live in Oklahoma and Texas for eleven years. Needless to say I love the USA. This country is free because it was build upon biblical principles. nowhere on this earth have I expirinced such freedom as in the US. To keep this freedom these biblical principles MUST be kept since nobody can prosper apart from Gods commands.

And since it does affect the world what the US do, I rather have a President  and Housemembers who are on the conservative side and have biblical principeles and values.....!

Okay, I just wanted to say that....! :!:

 

Please tell me this is a joke. Please? You can't honestly be this ignorant, can you?

 

Founded on biblical principles? What have you been smoking? A solid majority of the founders of our country weren't christian, and many of them made clear statements that the US was NOT a christian nation.

 

Since you're too lazy and/or ignorant to bother paying attention to US history, here's a few examples:

 

“...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...”

 

“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

 

...Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”

 

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”

 

“Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our opinions in physics and geometry....The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

 

“I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.”

 

“Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”

 

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all.”

 

I suggest you pay careful attention to the quote from the Treaty of Tripoli. Who knows better what principles our nation was founded on, you, or one of the people who founded the country?

CONCESSION ACCEPTED.

[Melu2]

Okay since you say I am lazy or ignorant..do queck out www.wallbuilders.com.

I would have loved to add a working link for you but it dont seem to work! and befor you attack anybody who has a different opinion than u go check it out. By the way I didn't say it IS build upon I said it WAS build upon the bible. But go ahead...queck out wallbuilders.com!

[Peregrine]

What wonderful counter-evidence you provide. I suppose I'm supposed to look through that entire site, find a point, and then make your argument for you? Come back when you have a useful argument.

[Melu2]

What wonderful counter-evidence you provide. I suppose I'm supposed to look through that entire site, find a point, and then make your argument for you? Come back when you have a useful argument.

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As you expected me to read your thread and are making fun of me, yes, roam the entire site you will find all the effidence u want!

Do u have the courage to da that?

[Peregrine]

What wonderful counter-evidence you provide. I suppose I'm supposed to look through that entire site, find a point, and then make your argument for you? Come back when you have a useful argument.

As you expected me to read your thread and are making fun of me, yes, I expect that of you!

 

I'm making fun of you because you posted ignorant garbage. I've given you the evidence that shows not only that the US was not created as a christian nation built on christian principles, but that some of those founders were strongly opposed to christianity.

 

I have posted the second president, and one of those founders, stating in terms clear enough my dog could understand them, that we are NOT a christian nation.

 

And what have you posted? Nothing but complaints about me not being nice enough to you.

 

If we're a christian nation built on christian principles,

 

STATE THOSE PRINCIPLES OR CONCEDE. SHOW ME WHERE I CAN FIND THE WORD "JESUS" IN THE FUNDAMENTAL DOCUMENTS OUR COUNTRY IS BASED ON.

[Melu2]

I will not get into this argument with u go and look up the site. DO WHAT U WANT. I rest my case!

[Peregrine]

I will not get into this argument with u go and look up the site. DO WHAT U WANT. I rest my case!

 

CONCESSION ACCEPTED.

 

You aren't going to continue this argument, because you have exactly zero evidence to support your stupid claims, and you know it. You know you've lost, but you're too stubborn to accept that the US didn't get its success by begging for it from god. Well get over it, the freedom we enjoy here comes from the fact that we are NOT a nation based on religion.

 

Just to make it absolutely clear:

 

“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

 

Either post a reply to this statement or concede that you're an idiot who thinks they know better than the people who actually founded this country.

[Melu2]

I will not get into this argument with u go and look up the site. DO WHAT U WANT. I rest my case!

 

CONCESSION ACCEPTED.

 

You aren't going to continue this argument, because you have exactly zero evidence to support your stupid claims, and you know it. You know you've lost, but you're too stubborn to accept that the US didn't get its success by begging for it from god. Well get over it, the freedom we enjoy here comes from the fact that we are NOT a nation based on religion.

 

Just to make it absolutely clear:

 

“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

 

Either post a reply to this statement or concede that you're an idiot who thinks they know better than the people who actually founded this country.

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Okay I will replay. go over there and read the postes on the side and u will see where I come from. but u are to afraid to look it up for what u will find there! I am sorry that i don't know how tp put the whole content of that internet site over here into the forum! But what do u have to loose if u just go over there and read up on the topics u state? and u will also find that I am certainly not such an idiot as u state I am...! I am sorry that besides ranting and raving on about this u can't even go over to this site and look into it u have the evidence u are looking for all over the site! Remins to be said who the actuall idiot is.....!

[Malchik]

Could we cool off a bit please. Both of you hold entrenched views and nothing either of you can say or do will change the other's mind. Calling each other stupid or idiots means nothing as you will certainly seem that way to each other!

 

Melu, segregation between church and state is enshrined in the US constitition. Peregrine, the church has played a significant role in the US since its founding. The two statements are not in any sense conflicting.

 

Some facts:- currently some 80% of Americans put 'christianity' as their religion. This does not mean they are practising. It also makes no distinction between the multiplicity of sects (jehovah's Witness, LDS, orthodox etc.). The figure is and has been declining slowly for many years.

 

Right wing fundamentalists are about 15 million in number, less than 5% of the total population.

 

Born-again or 'true' Christians (to themselves) are less than 1%.

 

The fastest growing religion in the US is Islam.

 

Make of the figures what you like.