Disassembled weapons on bodies, where to start looking

[MarkVarley]

I have a lot of mods installed, I'm hoping someone will have some insight as to which mods I need to start looking at for this minor problem.

When an NPC dies, the weapon they are carrying seems to be in separate parts, like the magazine and some other parts are hovering in the air a short distance from where they're supposed to be.

I'm not sure if theres a mesh problem with weapons or an animation problem?

Anyone have any ideas which kind of mods could be responsible?

[MarkVarley]

Heres a screenshot example

[StormWolf01]

Heyas Mark.

Ok so if you are just now noticing it, it's obviously something that you've just installed, or installed very recently.

Do you use a mod manager? And if so... please post which one.

The folks that know the managers betta than I do, can tell you if said manager contains a logger that records what you install and when. And if so, how to access said log.

 

If that is a no go, you will have to do things the OLD (and tedious) way. Go to your Fallout 4/Data folder, and start right clicking .esp or .esl files, then choosing Properties, and then taking a look at the date that they were created.

 

I know that there are a couple of mods, that make it so that items can be broken down to their component parts. Tho I Haven't ever USED them. So I dunno what the names of those mods are.

If you haven't installed any mods like that recently, it's most likely something that Have recently installed, causing a conflict. It might be possible to remedy it, by placing it higher, or lower in your load order, depending on which mod it's conflicting with. But again, we can't tell, until we know what it is.

 

Also, IF you want to post your load order, here's an easy way to do so.

 

In your computer, open up windows exploder errrr explorer, and navigate to C:\Users\Howlin Wolf\AppData\Local\Fallout4 (You won't have Howlin Wolf, you'll have whatever name you use when you log into the computer)

In that folder, you will have a file named Plugins.txt open it. It should open in notepad, by default.

Now. Go to View, in notepad, and make sure that Text Wrapping has a checkmark next to it.

Next, Press the CTRL key (it's to the right of your Spacebar) and press the A key. That should Highlight ALL the text inside the window.

STILL holding the CTRL key, tap the C button. That will copy all the text to your clipboard.

Now, come back to where you want to post your list.

Type in [.Spoiler] Press CTRL key and P key at same time [./Spoiier] But without the periods in there.

Hmmmm.

[spoiler] it should look like this [/spoiler]

And that will give us the option to look at your list.

Edited April 12, 2022 by StormWolf01

[MarkVarley]

Thanks!
I noticed it a while ago and just thought 'thats odd' and continued playing and shuffling mods, so I can't pin down when it was, it's just recently started bothering me! I'm using Vortex by the way. I'm not averse to looking for conflicts in xedit but I don't know which mods to start looking at for this kind of thing.

Heres my plugins list:

 

 

*Fireflies.esl

*FONW - The Valley.esl

*Train Engine - Game Jam 2015.esl

*Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

*Corpse Collision.esl

*Vault88LODReset.esl

*VendorCaps.esl

*HUDFramework.esm

*ArmorKeywords.esm

*WorkshopFramework.esm

*HiPolyFacesCompanionPlugin.esl

*PANPC.esm

*PACE.esm

*CWSS Redux.esp

*BrightLightsBigCity.esl

*NPSShopping.esl

*GCM_DLC_Far_Harbor.esl

*GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl

*Military Vehicles Retextured.esl

*Immersive_Molotovs_Flamer_Ruddy88ExtendedESL.esl

*Grounded.esl

*Random Robots - True Leveled.esm

*CompanionIvy.esm

*PPF.esm

*BetterCoastalWaves.esl

*SimSettlements.esm

*SSAOP_SamutzVault88.esl

*MJC_SS_Plots.esl

*Settlementobjectscombined.esl

*CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl

*Darlene.esm

*UitFJ.esl

*SettlementGardenBot.esl

*SettlementTidyBot.esl

*SettlementMedicBot.esl

*SettlementCopBot.esl

*SettlementFixerBot.esl

*NaiRaeCozyScavver.esl

*CWWorkshopMaster.esm

*CWWorkshopPackPart2.esl

*Homemaker.esm

*IDEKsLogisticsStation2.esl

*ImmersiveDogmeat.esl

*Loot Detector.esl

*MMMFO4.esl

*NewWalls.esl

*nukaproject.esl

*RRTV_RobotModelKits.esl

*Snap'n Build.esm

*NewVendorStalls.esl

*TerrainFloor.esl

*DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm

*Retex_Skeletons.esl

*leafblowerjunkjet2k.esl

*ballisticproject2k.esl

*flamerproject2k.esl

*huntingrifleset2k.esl

*laserproject2k.esl

*SavrenXCreaturesPackDlcREDONE.esp

*SavrenXFoodAndFoodware.esp

*SavrenXSynthHD.esp

*SavrenXWeaponHD.esp

*Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp

*AntiqueGauss.esp

*luxor8071's HD Texture Pack AIO Pt 5.esp

*Perfect landscape.esp

*FO4LODGen.esp

*FO4LODGen-DLCCoast.esp

*Wasteland Illumination Shadow.esp

*FO4LODGen-DLCCoast-WindTurbines.esp

*FO4LODGen-DLCNukaWorld.esp

*FO4LODGen-DLCWorkshop03.esp

*FO4LODGen-FullModelLOD.esp

*Live Action Handy - With GlowMap.esp

*Makeshifttextures.esp

*Mama Murphys Chair Redone.esp

*Natural Grasses & Groundcovers.esp

*No More Fake Puddles - Nuka World 1-0.esp

*plasmaproject.esp

*FO4 Landscape Overhaul HD AIO.esp

*Langleys HD Texture Workshop.esp

*NMC Bundle VERY HIGH.esp

*SavrenXPropsAndJunk.esp

*SavrenX HD DLC Armor and Clothes.esp

*SavrenX HD Vanilla Clothes Optimized.esp

*SavrenX HD Vanilla Armor.esp

*cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp

*cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp

*ColterFix.esp

*CreationClubDelay.esp

*EasyHacking.esp

*EasyLockpicking.esp

*Interview.esp

*LongerAreaRespawn.esp

*LongerPowerLinesInf.esp

*Idiot flirt.esp

*More Durable Power Armor - 90%.esp

*More Loot in Boss Chest.esp

*NoAffinityCooldown.esp

*NoNegativeAffinity.esp

*NightPersonVisionTweak-FarHarbor.esp

*PilesofCorpses.esp

*PowerArmorImpactEffects.esp

*RAW INPUT.esp

*Radiant_Questing_in_the_Commonwealth.esp

*Radiant_Questing_in_the_Commonwealth_-_UF4P_Patch.esp

*Railway Rifle Spawn Fix.esp

*Realistic_conversations.esp

*UNnaked Power Armor.esp

*Flicker Fixer.esp

*Fixed Gobo Effects.esp

*Armorsmith Extended.esp

*JNFA.esp

*MODGirlyAnimation.esp

*HiPolyFaces.esp

*CBBE.esp

*FlirtyCommonwealthMale.esp

*FlirtyCommonwealthMM.esp

*KSHairdos.esp

*LooksMenu.esp

*3DNPC_FO4.esp

*3DNPC_FO4 FaceGen.esp

*PWR.esp

*PWR_HM.esp

*Sim Settlers Go Shopping.esp

*AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

*Thematic and Practical.esp

*Thematic and Practical - DLC.esp

*FO4HHS.esp

*evan_modular kitchen.esp

*V's Stylish Decor2.esp

*Toxic Raider Armour.esp

*SettlementMenuManager.esp

*DynStoreMats.esp

*DX_FetishFashion_Part1.esp

*3DNPC_FO4-Patch.esp

*NiceBush.esp

*PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp

*Universal Working Bathroom Fixtures (CWSS and DLCs).esp

*MoreLeavesFXSetLess-EN.esp

*Unique NPCs.esp

*Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp

*UniqueCreatures-ScalingTweaks.esp

*Clarity.esp

*CovenantComplex.esp

*MutilatedDeadBodies.esp

*QuestsTags_00_AllDLC.esp

*QuestsTags_01_patch_UFO4P.esp

*CrimeTown.esp

*V88-Light_And_Tunnel_Mod.esp

*AnimatedCandles.esp

*ImmersiveGunnersPlazaInterior.esp

*ImmersiveGunnersPlazaExterior.esp

*GlowingSeaEXPANDED.esp

*AGNISNikaCola01.esp

*AA FusionCityRising.esp

*AA FusionCityRising - HotC.esp

*Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

*SSF - All In One (NEW).esp

*LKsPiperReplacer.esp

*LKsCait - Bully..esp

*LKsCurieClassic.esp

*moreXplore.esp

*g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp

*FarHarborStory.esp

*FallComplete.esp

*Starlight Delight.esp

*DeadAirplane.esp

*Immersive_Lexington.esp

*ImmersiveBeantown.esp

*3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp

*SpectacleIsleBridges.esp

*CompJennyLCCA.esp

*SalemEXPANDED.esp

*plenty 'o' exploration.esp

*SwampsEXPANDED.esp

*HagenEXPANDED.esp

*MoreRobotModels.esp

*ConcordEXPANDED.esp

*ImmersiveHubCity.esp

*Immersive S Boston Military Checkpoint.esp

*SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp

*PlaneWreck.esp

*Quieter Settlements - Recommended Settings.esp

*Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

*LOST Audio Tweaks.esp

*ovh-rev.esp

*Organised Vendors.esp

*Snappy_HouseK.esp

*Immersive Nahant.esp

*Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp

*More Quest Dungeons.esp

*3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp

*AtomCatGarage.esp

*3DNPC_FO4Settler FaceGen.esp

*Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul Redux.esp

*BetterSettlers.esp

*BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp

*Unique NPCs Essential Pack.esp

*MostlyFemale.esp

*BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp

*Facials.esp

*Unique NPCs FarHarbor.esp

*BetterSettlersMostlyFemale.esp

*_WastelandBallistics_.esp

*DX_Banshee_Recon_Armor.esp

*Better Cooking Stations.esp

*Better Cooking Stations - Far Harbor + Nuka World patch.esp

*Fallout 4 AI Overhaul.esp

*Fallout 4 AI Overhaul - Better Goodneighbor Patch.esp

*BuildingGroundFix.esp

*Rsiyo'sLocationPack.esp

*atlanticofficesf23.esp

*CompanionIvy_quest.esp

*ClarisaCompanion.esp

*nvvault1080.esp

*Red Rocket Basement.esp

*WestonWaterLOD.esp

*stumbleuponinteriors.esp

*UFOCrashSite.esp

*CompanionIvy_Mags.esp

*SimpleBounties.esp

*Railroadamb.esp

*CartographersMapMarkers Commonwealth.esp

*ellen.esp

*SKKSurvivalUtilities.esp

*Wasteland Sniper by Hothtrooper44.esp

*Armored General by Hothtrooper44.esp

*GCM.esp

*SKKCombatStalkers.esp

*Crimsomrider's Unique Furniture.esp

*Brahmin Watertrough.esp

*BrahminFeederFull.esp

*SimSettlements_Addon_VaultLand.esp

*Samutz_VaultSnapWallLights.esp

*VFX Foundations.esp

*VFX Foundations 2nd.esp

*Eli_Display Shelves.esp

*AkaSinger.esp

*AkaSingersWardrobe.esp

*AdvSettleTurretSet.esp

*GrafsSecurityFences.esp

*Armorsmith Combat Helmet Illumination 1.2.esp

*Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters - AE Patch.esp

*Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

*WET.esp

*WorkshopPlus.esp

*Eli_NukaStuff.esp

*SurvivalOptions.esp

*Rad Radio Revolution.esp

*TerrainUndersides.esp

*FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

*llamaCompanionHeather.esp

*DD_AIO Test Mark 1.esp

*llamaCompanionHeather-AE Patch.esp

*Lazman Female Outfit Replacer.esp

*2pacSkimpy.esp

*CCOCheekyCasualsReplacer.esp

*VaultSuit111Ruined-CBBE-V3.esp

*CCOFoxyFactionsReplacer.esp

*LegendaryModification.esp

*LegendaryModification2LM.esp

*HAAS.esp

*HAAS Core Replacer AE 2LM Edition.esp

*CCOVulgarVillainsReplacer.esp

*CCOCaitCorsetReplacer.esp

*CCOHeatherCasdinReplacer.esp

*CCOSilverShroudReplacer.esp

*CCOSaucySettlersReplacer.esp

*HAAS - Automatron.esp

*HAAS Automatron Replacer AE 2LM Edition.esp

*HAAS Far Harbor Replacer AE 2LM Edition.esp

*HAAS Nuka World Replacer AE 2LM Edition.esp

*Eli_Crafting Shiz 9000.esp

*PD_VisualReload.esp

*Reload Sounds.esp

*HuntingRifleSounds.esp

*GardenBotWaterPatch.esp

*Covscript.esp

*Search and Destroy.esp

*PA-Quick Animations.esp

*_CombatStyle.esp

*advancedAITweaks.esp

*HN66Fo4_EasyGirl_BS.esp

*Northland Diggers New.esp

*Northland Diggers - Fixes (Tweaked).esp

*M8rDisablePipboyEffects.esp

*MONSTERaider - Female Mannequin.esp

*More Human Raider Loot.esp

*DynGuardMats.esp

*cVc_Singles.esp

*PD_LowerWeapon.esp

*BAM-BetterArmoryMod.esp

*UnknownZombie_bandanaFitsK9Harness.esp

*Better Ceiling Fan Light.esp

*AA Better Companions - No Conflicts - Accuracy Beta.esp

*BetterGenerators.esp

*BetterJunkFences.esp

*Better LOD.esp

*Thaylar Lighting 3.2 Base Edition.esp

*Vault88 - Essentials.esp

*Light Radius Redux AIO.esp

*BrighterSettlementLights.esp

*CompactCrafting.esp

*DD_flag_poles.esp

*Craftable Vault 81 Cure (Earned).esp

*TurretStands.esp

*Crimsomrider's Immersive Market.esp

*DogBed.esp

*EquilibriumWeapons.esp

*EquilibriumWeaponsAWKCR.esp

*FlaconOil_BA2_2K_Part1.esp

*FlaconOil_BA2_2K_Part2.esp

*FlaconOil_BA2_2K_Part3.esp

*Glorious_Glowing_Plasma_Weapons_by_Diranar.esp

*GruffyddsSignsAndPosters.esp

*DarleneDLC.esp

*ImmersiveAnimationFramework.esp

*IAF - Far Harbor & Nuka World.esp

*ImmersiveDecor.esp

*Insignificant Object Remover.esp

*K9TacticalHarness.esp

*LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp

*LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM).esp

*LegendaryModification2LMAKPatch.esp

*LongRangeBulletHoles.esp

*MTM-Power Radius Increased and No Build Limit.esp

*FIXEDGoodfeels_no_DLC_needed.esp

*nixieclock.esp

*No Aggro Impact Landing.esp

*OCDecorator.esp

*OCDecoratorDLC.esp

*OCDispenser.esp

*Nability - IAF Tales from the Commonwealth Patch.esp

*PowerLinePhysics.esp

*Project Reality Footsteps FO4.esp

*RainofBrassPetals.esp

*Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp

*SKKMoveWorkshopMarkers.esp

*SKKScriptLatencyTest.esp

*SKKSettlementAttackSystem.esp

*Quick Save.esp

*Sandbag Fortifications - Version 2C.esp

*mso_sms.esp

*SettlementPrivacy.esp

*SettleObjExpandPack.esp

*SettleObjExpandPack-AllLightShadowEnabler.esp

*SpotlightShadows.esp

*SunLightAlignment.esp

*Swinging Meat Bags.esp

*3DNPC_FO4 FaceGens.esp

*3DNPC_FO4 AE.esp

*IcebreakerCDO-Settlements.esp

*IcebreakerCDO-Piper.esp

*SKKSettlementAttackSystemMarkers.esp

*AkaWaterWorld.esp

*SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp

*Ki_Diner.esp

*NaiRaeCozyScavver.esp

*CartographersMapMarkers FarHarbor.esp

*CartographersMapMarkers NukaWorld.esp

*IMG_Castle_Wall_Patches.esp

*SalvageBeacons.esp

*JaggedsThirdRail.esp

*MutilatedDeadBodies-Workshop.esp

*QuickTrade.esp

*SKKWorkshopAccessMonitor.esp

*SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearThree.esp

*Eli_CC Tunnel Snakes Armour Patch.esp

*EFF.esp

*Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp

*TheKite_CaitSet.esp

*TheKite_HCD_SynthUniform.esp

*TheKite_ScoopDigger.esp

*EquilibriumAMR.esp

*OMEGA - Slocum IAF Patch.esp

*OMEGA - Darlene IAF Patch.esp

*Eli_NukaPatch.esp

*Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp

*OMEGA - IAF Heather Patch.esp

*MTM-BPL.esp

*ovh-kinggath.esp

*UnlimitedDogmeatCarryWeight.esp

*VatsOverThere_IncreasedVATSRange_AimIncrease.esp

*RBValentineJawSync.esp

*VaultPlus.esp

*Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp

*Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp

*cVc Water Well.esp

*Well_Rested_And_Squirrel_Stew_72H.esp

*WAYN_CompanionTracking.esp

*WAYN_CompanionTracking_Automatron.esp

*whisperExtraPieces.esp

*BOS.Fences.esp

*cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp

*cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC3.esp

*WaterPower.esp

*AdvBubbleTurretSet-RealNP.esp

*AdvSettleTurretSet-RealNP.esp

*TinaDeLucaSettlerVoiced.esp

*PowerArmorHUD.esp

*HoloTime_2.esp

*Nability - IAF Fusion City Rising Patch.esp

*Emogene_Fix.esp

*BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp

*TheKite_HCD_SynthUniform_Replacer.esp

*TheKite_CharredVaultSuit.esp

*TheKite_ScoopDiggerPiperReplacer.esp

*TheKite_Caitset_ReplacerAddon.esp

*TheKite_VTS.esp

*DX_RedRibbon.esp

*Tone_OverQueen.esp

*TheKite_OverQueenNishaReplacer.esp

*instituteproject2k.esp

*Ghouls Revamped.esp

*luxor8071's HD Texture Pack AIO Pt 4.esp

*luxor8071's HD Texture Pack AIO Pt 2.esp

*luxor8071's HD Texture Pack AIO Pt 3.esp

*luxor8071 HD Texture Pack AIO.esp

*Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp

*SKKGlobalStashScrapping.esp

*SKKRESystemManager.esp

*Dickys Pinup Outfit.esp

*UniqueNPCs-RaidersOnlyNude.esp

*PRP.esp

*0_Vault120.esp

*Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

*DCE_female_body_replacer.esp

*DCENS.esp

*PRP-Compat-Clarity-42.esp

*PRP-Vault120.esp

*CrimeTown [PATCH Previs].esp

*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - AiO.esp

*AllSetsExtended.esp

*ASEFarHarbor.esp

*HAIA.esp

*EMIB.esp

*JPIH.esp

*R88_SimpleSorter.esp

*M8r Complex Sorter.esp

PS. I'm a fairly experienced mod user, but I don't have a lot of time for gaming so I want to minimise the time taken hunting the problem down, I only have about 5 hours per week for gaming and I'd prefer to spend as much as possible playing!
I am just looking for pointers, am I looking for animation mods or something changing nifs etc? I could do the old deactivate everything then reactivate in batches to narrow it down but that takes a lot of time (especially with 593 mods (475 plugins)).

Weapons seem to be held properly and animate properly when npc's use them, and they're all in one piece as expected, it's just they seem to reduce to parts when npc's are dead.

Heres another screenshot of a different weapon

[StormWolf01]

Heyas Mark! Welcome! :)

First off, I TOTALLY Get it about not having much time. I get about 3-4 hours of me time from the time I get home from work, til the time I SHOULD be thinking about going to bed :(

So I DEFINITELY feel ya there bro.

 

Unfortunately, you have a lot of mods that I am unfamiliar with. And those mods that are named like "EMIB" are a NIGHTMARE to try to track down (AS a mod author, I HATE it when other authors do that with their filenames!!)

So I will try to pass along, what I know ABOUT Those, to try to point you in a direction.

What you are seeing are "Worldmodels". The game uses them, whenever you drop an item, disarm an NPC using an item, mods that let you holster an item to the outside of your body uses them, some of the mods that let you display weapons or armors, use them. Mods like https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3734 https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/42316 especially this one https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/5080 and wacky weapons workshop from over on bethesda.

worldmodels, are usually smaller versions of the original 3d model, scaled waaaay down.

So whatever is happening, is causing the meshes to not sync together properly. That second one, looks like a bug that happens with vanilla revolvers when you try to display stand them. The cylinder gets stuck in the open (loading it) position, but that's on steroids in your picture!)

 

My first guess would be animation mods. However, there's no animating a dead body, after it's come to rest. So if you have any mods that affect ragdoll physics, that might be a place to look. Such as realistic impacts (or whatever it's called). Animations might be the next on the list to try out.

 

Tho tbh, and I know this is a pain in your case, but I'd try the game on a fresh character, with no mods to see if it is a mod issue, or if there's a problem with your game itself.

[MarkVarley]

Thanks for the info, I have some animation mods and something that gives me weapon racks (looking for it now and can't see it yet!) and some animations mods, IAF and weapon animation mods, I'll start by disabling those one by one and see if that pins it down. I have realistic ragdoll too but thats been there since I started this playthrough (as is my addiction I've added a lot as I've been playing, bad habit that).

 

I'll see if I can pin it down with those mods first, thank youu for the pointers.

 

EDIT: I just found the weapon racks mod I have https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/42123

[MarkVarley]

I've removed a load of weapon animation mods and the weapon racks mod but it persists.
I'll try a new game with these reduced mods (594 mods is 'reduced'! (455 plugins)).

It's not game-breaking so I'll probably ignore it for the rest of this playthrough and watch for it becoming a problem early on when I next play through.

I'll post back here if I do figure it out in cae it's helpful for people searching for answers to the same problem in the future.
Thanks again wolf.

[StormWolf01]

Heyas Mark :) No thanks necessary, always glad to try to help out :) Buuuuut... if you want to send me a copy of that sweet machine that you have in your sig, that would be highly appreciated :D HAHAHA JK ;)

But yeah, I do hope that you can track that down, cuz that's just wierd. Agreed, it's not a deal breaker, but it's still pretty wierd to see. I do hope that it's not something that is baked into your saves. I'd recommend trying your abbreviated load order with a short run on a new character, just to test that out.

And if you track it down, yeah.. definitely post what you found out. Its an odd thing to happen, so if it helps anybode else out, that's golden.

 

Best of luck :)