Random shootings in the US

[ed8020]

And I disagree with your opinion and explained why.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong (either factually or morally).

You speak in absolutes that are merely speculation.

"WHEN the constitution is changed."

"the people WILL see it as a good and right thing to do"

 

I am not a gun rights advocate but a civil rights advocate.

 

SOME people are quite willing to give up their rights in an effort to feel safer i.e. the patriot act.

It is my opinion that they are terribly misguided.

I am not willing to give up ANY of my rights.

I believe the patriot act is the very capitulation that "the terrorists" seek.

Perhaps there have been no more attacks here because they feel they have already won.

 

As to your last questions.

"I" am not ready and "probably" never will be.

And as for being programmed, the constitution is my "Firewall" so to speak.

Or perhaps "anti virus" would be more appropriate.

Yes. Anti virus is MUCH more appropriate.

[PureSnipe]

And I disagree with your opinion and explained why.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong (either factually or morally).

You speak in absolutes that are merely speculation.

"WHEN the constitution is changed."

"the people WILL see it as a good and right thing to do"

 

I am not a gun rights advocate but a civil rights advocate.

 

SOME people are quite willing to give up their rights in an effort to feel safer i.e. the patriot act.

It is my opinion that they are terribly misguided.

I am not willing to give up ANY of my rights.

I believe the patriot act is the very capitulation that "the terrorists" seek.

Perhaps there have been no more attacks here because they feel they have already won.

As to your last questions.

"I" am not ready and "probably" never will be.

And as for being programmed, the constitution is my "Firewall" so to speak.

Or perhaps "anti virus" would be more appropriate.

Yes. Anti virus is MUCH more appropriate.

 

I agree with you 100% on all of this but one point, which I've made noticeable.

I'm guessing that's just speculation on your part, but I've taken a few courses on Islam to try and figure out just what the lines of thinking of the radicals are.

If you're referring to "the terrorists" as being those in the Wahhabi sect of Islam, then I disagree.

Basically they see western culture as a blight upon their religion, and are trying to remove it. The only way the attacks will *ever* stop is if a) we wipe out all of the radicals or b) we give up our ways of life and adapt the Islamic culture.

I don't see either of those ever happening.

 

If you're talking about domestic terrorism, then that's possible.

 

Something that's flown under most people's radar is the "Big Brother" program. All telephone communications are monitored by the NSA for certain key words. With each detection, the conversation goes up one level in the software. Eventually if enough flags are raised, it's handed to an analyst to determine if it's a threat.

 

I'm not going to get into the semantics of how this didn't break the Constitution, but they sure as hell went and bent it to fit their program.

[ed8020]

Ya caught me.

Using a little bit of rhetoric to drive a point home.

Shame on me.

 

I believe the system of which you speak is called Echelon.

Or at least it was.

I'm sure it's been updated and they may call it something else now.

People really do have no idea how far it's gone.

[PureSnipe]

The name of it is classified now. It's simply referred to as "Big Brother" by other government agencies now. (Helps having family members all over the government :D)

[Vagrant0]

The constitution has been changed before, called amendments, and the sky did not start to fall. Most of these amendments have been there to clarify or to expand freedoms, not restrict them. The only one which ever restricted freedoms was making alcohol illegal, and that one caused more harm than good. I can almost guarantee you that any amendment which would restrict citizens from owning firearms would be equally as harmful and ineffective as those involving alcohol. Such an amendment would never pass through congress, even if you stopped counting Republican votes simply because the population would not support it.

 

Quite honestly, it would be easier to make the United States adopt Esperanto as its official language than it would be to do anything like this.

[dezdimona]

And I disagree with your opinion and explained why.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong (either factually or morally).

You speak in absolutes that are merely speculation.

"WHEN the constitution is changed."

"the people WILL see it as a good and right thing to do"

 

I am not a gun rights advocate but a civil rights advocate.

 

SOME people are quite willing to give up their rights in an effort to feel safer i.e. the patriot act.

It is my opinion that they are terribly misguided.

I am not willing to give up ANY of my rights.

I believe the patriot act is the very capitulation that "the terrorists" seek.

Perhaps there have been no more attacks here because they feel they have already won.

 

As to your last questions.

"I" am not ready and "probably" never will be.

And as for being programmed, the constitution is my "Firewall" so to speak.

Or perhaps "anti virus" would be more appropriate.

Yes. Anti virus is MUCH more appropriate.

 

and I'll be free while your enslaved.again I base my words on facts.And I will die to protect even your right to disagree no matter how wrong or pacifist you are...,can you say the same????

Ask those how hitler disarmed the citizenry of Germany before killing millions of Jews.

[ed8020]

And I disagree with your opinion and explained why.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong (either factually or morally).

You speak in absolutes that are merely speculation.

"WHEN the constitution is changed."

"the people WILL see it as a good and right thing to do"

 

I am not a gun rights advocate but a civil rights advocate.

 

SOME people are quite willing to give up their rights in an effort to feel safer i.e. the patriot act.

It is my opinion that they are terribly misguided.

I am not willing to give up ANY of my rights.

I believe the patriot act is the very capitulation that "the terrorists" seek.

Perhaps there have been no more attacks here because they feel they have already won.

 

As to your last questions.

"I" am not ready and "probably" never will be.

And as for being programmed, the constitution is my "Firewall" so to speak.

Or perhaps "anti virus" would be more appropriate.

Yes. Anti virus is MUCH more appropriate.

 

and I'll be free while your enslaved.again I base my words on facts.And I will die to protect even your right to disagree no matter how wrong or pacifist you are...,can you say the same????

Ask those how hitler disarmed the citizenry of Germany before killing millions of Jews.

HUH?

Are you sure you are replying to the right person?

[dezdimona]

And I disagree with your opinion and explained why.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong (either factually or morally).

You speak in absolutes that are merely speculation.

"WHEN the constitution is changed."

"the people WILL see it as a good and right thing to do"

 

I am not a gun rights advocate but a civil rights advocate.

 

SOME people are quite willing to give up their rights in an effort to feel safer i.e. the patriot act.

It is my opinion that they are terribly misguided.

I am not willing to give up ANY of my rights.

I believe the patriot act is the very capitulation that "the terrorists" seek.

Perhaps there have been no more attacks here because they feel they have already won.

 

As to your last questions.

"I" am not ready and "probably" never will be.

And as for being programmed, the constitution is my "Firewall" so to speak.

Or perhaps "anti virus" would be more appropriate.

Yes. Anti virus is MUCH more appropriate.

 

and I'll be free while your enslaved.again I base my words on facts.And I will die to protect even your right to disagree no matter how wrong or pacifist you are...,can you say the same????

Ask those how hitler disarmed the citizenry of Germany before killing millions of Jews.

HUH?

Are you sure you are replying to the right person?

huh..yes I'm quite sure! and now I'm done replying.waste of my breath and time.ta

[ed8020]

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No. Seriously. There is some real confusion here.

I agree 100% with your opinion stated in this thread.

I am afraid you may have mistaken this....

 

"WHEN the constitution is changed."

"the people WILL see it as a good and right thing to do"

 

As MY words. They are NOT. That is a quote from someone else who was speaking in the 2 absolutes "When" and "Will" that I do not agree with.

 

The only other thing I can think of is that by calling myself a civil rights advocate I was excluding gun rights.

Gun rights ARE civil rights.

If that doesn't clear things up then I am totally lost and I have absolutely no idea why you think we disagree.

WE DO NOT DISAGREE as far as I can tell.

[dezdimona]

then I'm in error and I apologize! :)