JimboUK Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 It's bad on this side of the pond in the UK, we've got a government who seem to think they're entitled to take more and more. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't waste it all, the country is in a mess and our Prime Minister is hell bent on making things worse. We've now got a huge public sector that is costing a fortune and has nothing better to do than interfere in peoples lives, I shudder to think what the pension liabilities are for all these people employed in non jobs. This is worth watching, it's directed at our PM but could equally apply to many over sized governments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanbean234 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I'm not talking about interstate commerce but economies that exist within their own states. Follow the links in my first post for a more detailed explanation.I'll repeat about the Commerce Clause....Finally, Congress's commerce authority includes the power to regulate those activities having a substantial relation to interstate commerce (i.e., those activities that substantially affect interstate commerce). Funding for roads, bridges, and other serious infrastructure comes primarily from the Fed. That's one of the primary ways they coerce compliance from states. Remember the 55mph speed limit? Remember how they got states to comply with it?The Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act was a bill in the legislature of the United States federal government that enacted the 55 mph National Maximum Speed Law. States had to agree to the limit if they desired to receive federal funding for highway repair. The uniform speed limit was signed into law by President Nixon on January 2, 1974 and became effective 60 days later, by requiring the limit as a condition of each state receiving highway funds, a use of the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution. A lot of the same leverage still exists.Don't know how some states will pull this hat-trick off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed8020 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 OK. Fed raids on growers. That is a specific. A product of right wing rule. If anyone was going to change that it would be the Dems or Libertarians. If you noticed at Obama’s on line town hall he didn’t say he was opposed to legalization. He said he was opposed to it as a tool to help rebound the economy. He was very specific. The populist thing to say would have been that he was totally opposed. He didn’t even have to answer that question. The handlers were not even going to give it to him. He insisted on dealing with the question probably because of it’s popularity. I expect that he will move on this topic though I wouldn’t expect it soon. He’s got a lot to deal with and it’s a hot button issue. Gun bans. I assume you mean the AWB. Obama says the ban made sense but he would rather enforce the laws already on the books. It’s a little hard to tell exactly where that will go. The left says no guns at all. The right says guns no matter what. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. As long as the right hides behind “sport” shooters thats all their gonna get. Sport guns. It’s time to step into the light and pronounce your support for the true intent of the 2nd Am. To keep the gov in check. You don’t win a revolution with hunting rifles or hand guns.Gun rights ARE civil rights. At least in this country they are. It’s a US constitutional issue. Not a states rights issue. Actually, now that I think about it, this would probably be a bad time. With all the other BS floating around it wouldn’t be smart to add armed revolt to the mix. Kinda shot yer wad already with the secessionist sentiment. Whats wrong with the DoEd? Could it have something to do with something you said in your earlier post? “culture and the moral values of its people than the feds do”. Major red flag there.But rather than jumping to too many conclusions, I’ll let you explain. New deal and war on poverty are too general. I need specifics. Exactly what is wrong with these concepts? @ Forsaken No one told me I live in a red state. I’ll have to look into that.As with jude, do you have any specifics? EDIT: Afterthought. Enforce the laws already on the books. Isn't that what every gun rights group says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 The "Fair Tax Plan" is fundamentally flawed. This from CNN.../snip Tea Parties are underinformed hoopla designed to play on an old legend of what "patriotism" is described as.Here's one of the biggest advocates of Tea Bag Parties and his promotional video (with annotated comments) http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/1...ks-Thomas-Paine I could continue, but I need to get to work. Agreed and well put. First off, these are TEA PARTIES. Their detractors call them 'tea bag' parties as a sexual insult. /snip No, it was the Republicans themselves who brought this expression into the current hoopla, much to the amusement of gay folk everywhere. http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/200...litics/war_room So what pray tell are we supposed to do?Let it collapse?Perhaps Texas should secede.Let them guard the border by themselves.Fend for themselves in the current economy.Clean up their own mess when a hurricane rolls through.We don't have hurricanes here or tornadoes for that matter.Why should I care what happens to those people?Hell. We have those nice friendly Canadians to our north.Friendly Oregonians to the south.Well we do have northern Idaho to the east.Definitely gonna have to put up a fence there and keep an eye on those folks.Tons of farmland with excellent irrigation and a rather stable hydroelectrical system.Why not?Hell. How about city states?I really don't like Spokane that much, and they are right next to Idaho.Then we just need to guard a few passes.Nope. That won't work.We'll have to go take those dams so back to plan A. Truthfully, Washington could survive the dark times better than most.And that's exactly what we would be looking at.I like post holocaust in my games, not my daily life.I hear lots of pissing and moaning but that's it.Give me a solution better than "Screw you guys. I'm goin home". Since the 1790s the economy has gone through a 15 year cycle of bubble and burst, until the great depression. At that time we introduced the FDIC and a whole slew of financial regulations. We had relative stability for 50 years, until deregulation. Then it started to crumble with the S&Ls until we get to today where it's all falling apart because of deregulation. This includes a complete lack of oversight from Enron to Wall street, that allowed them to cook the books.If you focus on your own petty little problems you lose sight of the big picture. And as for the FNC Tea Party Revolution. It's far too little, way too late.Where have you guys been for the last 8 years?Cuz thats how long it's been since we had a surplus IIRC. Sorry I'm not as eloquent as humanbean. Precisely. Those trying to fix things now didn't create these problems, they are trying to do what any intelligent human being would do (and finally we have one of those as the President) and stop the downward spiral. They are also being very open about it and trying to muster a sense of we are in this together rather than us and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed8020 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 It's bad on this side of the pond in the UK, we've got a government who seem to think they're entitled to take more and more. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't waste it all, the country is in a mess and our Prime Minister is hell bent on making things worse. We've now got a huge public sector that is costing a fortune and has nothing better to do than interfere in peoples lives, I shudder to think what the pension liabilities are for all these people employed in non jobs. This is worth watching, it's directed at our PM but could equally apply to many over sized governments...I love you Brits.Nobody can call their leader a D bag like you guys can.And what do you call it when the PM (MP?) stands in the house of lords (?) and everyone just rzzes the hell out of him?Thats beautiful.Kinda keeps him humble I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 It's bad on this side of the pond in the UK, we've got a government who seem to think they're entitled to take more and more. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't waste it all, the country is in a mess and our Prime Minister is hell bent on making things worse. We've now got a huge public sector that is costing a fortune and has nothing better to do than interfere in peoples lives, I shudder to think what the pension liabilities are for all these people employed in non jobs. This is worth watching, it's directed at our PM but could equally apply to many over sized governments...I love you Brits.Nobody can call their leader a D bag like you guys can.And what do you call it when the PM (MP?) stands in the house of lords (?) and everyone just rzzes the hell out of him?Thats beautiful.Kinda keeps him humble I suppose. That's Prime Ministers question time, that's held in the House of Commons. The House of Lords is the second chamber where they mostly sleep though debates, those that are still alive that is. The video I embedded is the European Parliament, the less said about that the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolhamarr Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have been looking for that video for while, thank you US has no clue how really easy we have it in the realm of political parties. UK is good example of this, my god how do you get anything done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbshrimp20 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Well I think that considering the state of the economy it is a good thing the goverment is charging higher taxes because how would we be able to cover the the things we need during these rough times. Plus the only people going to the tea parties are high class conservatives who don't want to do their part. sorry i cant help it but those republicans love teabagging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanbean234 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 As a related topic, I quite enjoyed Jon Stewart's take on the media coverage of these events. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jh...de-tax-protests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarch_Anor Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Well I think that considering the state of the economy it is a good thing the goverment is charging higher taxes because how would we be able to cover the the things we need during these rough times. Plus the only people going to the tea parties are high class conservatives who don't want to do their part. sorry i cant help it but those republicans love teabagging. woh wait...It's a good thing that they are charging higher taxes..in an economic crisis? Glad your not president...although you might as well be...GG moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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