Game CTD after choosing save file.

[somedude159]

I've installed a lot of new mods recently, and i have found, that now i have some conflicting mods, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES!!

Could it be the load order? Could it be mod conflict? i have no clue. I need someone's help, who has knowledge of many mods and what they do.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Here is my load order:

 

 

[X] Fallout3.esm

[X] SP_Destruction_MASTER.esm

[X] ThePitt.esm

[X] Anchorage.esm

[X] HairPack.esm

[X] EnhancedChildren.esm

[X] CALIBR.esm

[X] COMM.esm

[X] RRCompanionVault.esm

[X] norepairneededv2.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

[ ] SuperJump2x.esp

[ ] SuperJumpWater2x.esp

[ ] SuperJump1.5x.esp

[ ] SuperJumpWater1.5x.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Version 4.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Items - Caps.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - More Realistic Projectile Speeds.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics MS.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics A.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Furniture.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Deadlier Explosions.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Vehicles.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Movable Static.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Containers M.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Containers A.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics C.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Version 3.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Weapons and Ammo.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Doors.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Bathrooms.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Items.esp

[X] eyes_hairpack_en.esp

[X] DLC Weapons.esp

[X] PolishArmyBeret.esp

[ ] RRVaultPlayersBridge.esp

[X] Item Room.esp

[ ] Ghoul & Raider Races.esp

[X] JSBlack'sNanoArmor.esp

[X] mantles_for_everyone.esp

[X] DK_BulletTime.esp

[X] RRWastelandPosters.esp

[X] RR5MoreFemales.esp

[X] RR5MoreMales.esp

[X] KillableKidsNormalHealth.esp

[X] JHouseholdBladesCOMM.esp

[X] JMolotovCocktailsCOMM.esp

[X] JAxesNMachetesV10COMM.esp

[X] JJapaneseMeleeBladesCOMM.esp

[X] JSurvivalKnife.esp

[X] JKageBushi.esp

[X] Mannequin.esp

[X] Black Surgical Mask.esp

[X] PCIdles.esp

[X] ClassicEnclaveAPA-Better-APA-english.esp

[X] UsableCigarettes.esp

[ ] COTCRobe.esp

[X] RideableBroom.esp

[ ] Cleavage-B-Gone.esp

[X] eyepatches-english.esp

[X] FollowersRelax.esp

[X] MiniMissleLauncher.esp

[X] Throwing Knives.esp

[X] LightSaberMod.esp

[X] UPP - Quest Perks.esp

[X] Tsurugi2handed.esp

[X] ZumbsDarkerSunglasses_no_replace.esp

[X] The Eage Strikes the Nest.esp

[X] MaxLevelWorkaround-HP.esp

[X] MaxLevelWorkaround.esp

[X] FacesoftheLaw.esp

[ ] Remove That Glove.esp

[X] sc_slaves_stick_around_original_mezz_chance.esp

[X] drc_FatManUltra.esp

[X] Lawbringer Boutnies Ver1.1.esp

[ ] CDM - Playable Ghoul.esp

[X] sc_buying_slaves.esp

[X] AmplifiedCrippledEffectsV1-3.esp

[X] Comboheadgear.esp

[X] Named Megaton NPCs.esp

[X] Snipervelocity.esp

[X] Princess Tenpenny Home Extension.esp

[X] Named Paradise Falls NPC's.esp

[X] VelocityOverhaul.esp

[X] Named Lamplighters.esp

[X] Named Underworld NPCs.esp

[X] MiniPets.esp

[X] Inebriation.esp

[X] StripClub.esp

[ ] Growlfs Sexy FO3 Replacer.esp

[X] GasMask.esp

[X] A6WastelandBosses1.esp

[X] Uber Perks.esp

[X] WastelandMastery.esp

[X] Diner Shack and Home.esp

[X] OAF - Repairable Gauss Rifle.esp

[X] assassin_robe.esp

[X] Burnification.esp

[X] PKPulsePistol.esp

[X] Sword.esp

[X] 18inchCSLatinMachete.esp

[ ] SexyLeatherArmor.esp

[X] PersonalTerminal.esp

[ ] Pipboy_Playable.esp

[X] Owned!.esp

[X] Lightsaber_Common.esp

[X] BurgerBoyCompound.esp

[X] RideableCreature.esp

[X] bethhouse.esp

[X] RideablePrime.esp

[X] Sprint Mod.esp

[X] TheGreatGazibShow.esp

[X] Rawlings_Deagle.esp

[X] Robco Fort.esp

[X] Princess Big Blue House.esp

[X] WieldableTorches.esp

[X] Operation Anchorage Equipment Fixes.esp

[X] TenpennyQuarters.esp

[X] Geo_Alien_Hybrid_V1.esp

[ ] Josef Greys Kozaburo Hair Style for Fallout 3.esp

[X] UPP - Pack 1.esp

[X] UPP - Original Perks.esp

[X] UPP - Beverage Perks.esp

[X] GreenWorld.esp

[X] UPP - Experience Perks.esp

[X] 3EFhelmlessstealthsuit.esp

[X] Chinese Stealth Armor Invisibility Toggle Key.esp

[X] Fellout-Full.esp

[ ] Nuclear Winter.esp

[X] UPP - Pack 2.esp

[X] ModestSet.esp

[X] Just_Say_Yes.esp

[X] 1alexscorpionsnipergear.esp

[X] Clutter Weapons.esp

[X] Highway Hideout.esp

[X] BlackG3A3AssaultRifles.esp

[X] Colossus Armor (stealth).esp

[X] AsharasLightningItems.esp

[X] BSGOfficer.esp

[X] NippyClothing.esp

[ ] SIraces.esp

[X] Headshot_Balance.esp

[ ] Cr4ppen0gs Race Unlocker.esp

[X] respawn6hours.esp

[X] Character Presets.esp

[X] supermutantmask.esp

[X] RaiderMask.esp

[X] Character Presets 2.esp

[X] HairCuts.esp

[X] ArmyFacePaint.esp

[X] Ghoul Mansion v3.esp

[X] Flame_Suit.esp

[X] fawkesmask.esp

[X] BlackBandana.esp

[X] theshadowrobe.esp

[X] Vanity Camera Mod.esp

[X] 5 new armors.esp

[X] pickelhaube.esp

[X] Dead Space.esp

[X] Hairpack+bald.esp

[X] Boxhead.esp

[X] CBOv1.4.esp

[X] TrueVampireAnyLevel.esp

[X] DisarmedCollar.esp

[X] Better Caravans.esp

[X] Better Companions NonEss.esp

[ ] HoverChair 0.1.esp

[X] PunisherRegulators.esp

[X] CD Anonymous Mask.esp

[X] CC.esp

[ ] AcquiredImmunity.esp

[X] ST 50A Power Armor Helmet.esp

[X] Followers - Allow Falls and Swimming.esp

[X] Chimera.esp

[X] PLA MOD 1.55.esp

[X] Accurate Magnum .44.esp

[X] CAL_MindBlastCombustion_NoRadsMQ.esp

[X] The Pitt Crash Fix.esp

[X] Portable Shack.esp

[X] Portable Targets and Shelters.esp

[X] Portable Camp.esp

[X] Portable Turrets.esp

[X] psychoelfs all animal friends.esp

[X] Portable Sniper Nest.esp

[X] Mark and recall.esp

[X] Mini Uzi Suppressed.esp

[X] Portable Home Small.esp

[X] Pittmutant.esp

[X] Portable Npc Spawner.esp

[X] CAL_MindBlastV2b.esp

[X] CAL_MindBlast_NoRadsMQ.esp

[X] MPammo.esp

[X] ROTS3.esp

[X] VashDeagleV5.esp

[X] Greys_DramaRadio.esp

[ ] customghouls.esp

[X] ShishkebabWithoutGlove.esp

[X] RadioTenpennyTower.esp

[X] WasteWearGloves.esp

[ ] GalaxyNewsRadio20[M].esp

[ ] GalaxyNewsRadio40[M].esp

[ ] GalaxyNewsRadio60[M].esp

[ ] GalaxyNewsRadio80[M].esp

[ ] GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp

[ ] GalaxyNewsRadioFix.esp

[ ] The Prisoners.esp

[X] FF_DestructibleRadios.esp

[X] pitt raider armor fix.esp

[X] norepairneeded(Pitt).esp

[X] DElaunchermod.esp

[ ] SN_Depth_Of_Field.esp

[X] bittercup_comp.esp

[ ] TimeScaleTo3.esp

[X] Disguises.esp

[ ] TimeScaleTo5.esp

[X] TimeScaleTo15.esp

[ ] TimeScaleTo20.esp

[ ] TimeScaleTo25.esp

[X] Aviators.esp

[ ] TimeScale1To1.esp

[X] NAPA-Sneak.esp

[X] SpyRodz Stealth Armors.esp

[X] F3UmpaAnimation.esp

[X] The Groovatron.esp

[X] Monster_Costumes.esp

[X] ZL-MP5 Pack.esp

[X] ZL-MP5 Pack-CALIBR.esp

[X] Gloves.esp

[X] vancesuit.esp

[X] improved_glasses.esp

[X] improved_shades.esp

[X] improved_shades_zumbs.esp

[X] Rorshach.esp

[X] BeefedUpCitadel.esp

[X] KaBOOM.esp

[X] noautoaim.esp

[X] Melee-UnarmedPACKeng.esp

[X] RealPhysicsWithCarExplosions.esp

[X] Explosive Entry.esp

[X] RealFragGrenade.esp

[X] VATS - MCE.esp

[X] Fast VATS 1.esp

[X] VatsLongerDistance.esp

[X] MinigunVATSRebalance.esp

[X] Vatsfix.esp

[X] Sniper Perk.esp

[X] Tactical_Compatibility_LincolnRifle.esp

[X] Dalls_Oakley.esp

[X] EnclaveCommander.esp

[ ] EnclaveCommander-OA.esp

[X] Myerz_Items.esp

[X] Deadly Deathclaw's.esp

[X] Warhammer40kWeapons-Chainsword.esp

[X] JustABox.esp

[X] SR25Rifle.esp

[X] F3UmpaWeapon.esp

[X] WHSpaceMarineArmor.esp

[X] Enhanced Child Mercenaries.esp

[X] Rivens Wings.esp

[X] Rivens Wings (dragon_RED).esp

[X] AtarixQuestChapter1.esp

[X] RickAstleyRadio.esp

[X] SCAR Control Center.esp

[X] Ass_Hideout_Armory.esp

[X] Buiss_Hideout_Armory.esp

[X] Colossus Hvy Armor.esp

[X] SniperZooming.esp

[X] playable_as_old-raider-ghoul.esp

[X] Old Races.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Increased Spawns.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.esp

[ ] MMMVariant_Scorpions.esp

[ ] psychoelfs all animal friends MMM.esp

[X] hair_add_npc.esp

[X] HairPack-MMM-v1_2b.esp

[Rockatanskiy]

I'm not going to bother looking through and trying to find incorrect load orders or buggy mods, but I might be able to give you a jury-rigged solution:

 

Does this happen with your just your current save files? Can you load a save from way back when and play it successfully, but not the latest save file? If so, load the old one.... and kill yourself. Jump off a bridge, take a visit to vault 87, press ~player.kill, whatever. As you watch your corpse flop to the ground, load the file that you're having problems with. It just might work, because it did for me.

 

Unfortunately, you may have to do that every time you launch fallout 3.... but hopefully its just a mod conflict and that doesn't happen.

[TGBlank]

The mess is way too large and your willingness to rtfm way to low for me to even bother to sort it out. Most likely, others think the same. However, i'll tell you this:

 

Your load order is a royal mess. Go read the mod readmes and resort it. EACH of the readmes.

You're using many many redundant mods that shouldn't be used with each other, several mods that offer two esp and tell you to use ONE of the two, and not both. Alas, you're using both. Some mods are made to be loaded LAST, alas, you have it on top. Others are obviously conflicting with just taking a quick glance, yet you're still loading them all.

[somedude159]

Thanks for all ur input. I can't load any other save files, and i am AWARE of my royal mess. lol

Idk what i should do tho, because i have resorted it since my first post, but several mods say they should be loaded last.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what a dilemma eh?

Oh, and could you, "TGBlank" inform me of some of my redundant mods? I am unaware of any such conflicts.

[TGBlank]

If you are unaware you haven't read the readmes. YOU MUST READ THE GODDAMNED READMES. Seriously, you need to do it. Even if you got things working without reading the readmes (which i doubt), you wont have a clue of how to use the features of several of the mods you have, or where are the goodies found, or how to configure them. GO READ THE READMES. Nobody is going to go over each of the readmes of each of the mods you have and tell you how to sort them. The sooner you learn how to handle yourself with mods, the faster you'll enjoy them.

 

Also, go step by step. Disable everything and install one mod at a time, test that it works, and once you're satisfied that it's working, go to the next. You're currently paying the price for NOT doing that in the first place.

[somedude159]

If you are unaware you haven't read the readmes. YOU MUST READ THE GODDAMNED READMES. Seriously, you need to do it. Even if you got things working without reading the readmes (which i doubt), you wont have a clue of how to use the features of several of the mods you have, or where are the goodies found, or how to configure them. GO READ THE READMES. Nobody is going to go over each of the readmes of each of the mods you have and tell you how to sort them. The sooner you learn how to handle yourself with mods, the faster you'll enjoy them.

 

Also, go step by step. Disable everything and install one mod at a time, test that it works, and once you're satisfied that it's working, go to the next. You're currently paying the price for NOT doing that in the first place.

 

I do not appreciate your ignorant response. You are automatically assuming, because of my low post count, that i have absolutely no knowledge. I find that incredibly offensive. So you are aware, i HAVE read EVERY "readme" thank you very much, but because of the multitude of mods that i have running, i have conflicts often.

By posting a topic, i was merely hoping someone might notice a particular problem they may have had themselves. Do not assume because someone does not post often, they are less apt to understand a problem, that is very low of you. I am not mad, merely disappointed by your lack of an ability to state something calmly and reasonably without a derogatory tone.

 

I would appreciate help from anyone who is actually able to provide support to a problem, not avoid the question asked of them, and continue to demean my knowledge.

[TGBlank]

I never looked at your post count, i looked at your load order that ignored several of the directives of the readmes. Heck, in the first 17 lines of your load order there are 2 errors already. Mart's mutant mod.esp NEEDS TO LOAD before the other plugins, Mart's mutant mod should also load last on your load order, baring quest mods and compatibility patches.

You obviously didn't read the SP_Destruction readme either, as you're loading 2 base esp versions at the same time, and wrongly placed also. I don't even need to check further to know that you installed a crapload of mods at the same time without doublechecking that what you got was working properly.

 

De-activate all, make sure your game runs, go back, and activate ONE mod at a time.

[somedude159]

I never looked at your post count, i looked at your load order that ignored several of the directives of the readmes. Heck, in the first 17 lines of your load order there are 2 errors already. Mart's mutant mod.esp NEEDS TO LOAD before the other plugins, Mart's mutant mod should also load last on your load order, baring quest mods and compatibility patches.

You obviously didn't read the SP_Destruction readme either, as you're loading 2 base esp versions at the same time, and wrongly placed also. I don't even need to check further to know that you installed a crapload of mods at the same time without doublechecking that what you got was working properly.

 

De-activate all, make sure your game runs, go back, and activate ONE mod at a time.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the SP_Destruction mod. I do NOT have 2 base esp versions running at once. Version 3 as well as version 4 both affect different objects. Yes, i did notice that the Mutant mod was in the wrong place, i fixed that before i posted though, i pasted the wrong load order.

I'm editing it now, but i see no reason to, i have the game running fine now. I do not have any CRAP mods, or any redundant mods, or any out of order mods thank you very much, the only error was the MMM, which i recently added and had a single misplaced file. thank you for all your help.

Although now, i've got an even more annoying problem. Every time the game tries to save, or auto save..................it crashes.

Oh what fun.

[TGBlank]

i said crapload (quantity) not crap (quality).

Ok, no redundancy you say?, every mod that edits foes is going to collide with MMM, which i notice you have a couple. The several vats mods are likely to collide in some way, probably in an unwanted way, and level cap workaround should not be loaded alongside the HP version. The caravan mod is likely to collide with mmm also, and hair/race packs don't tend to play nice to each other unless properly merged.

Because 2 mods dont collide doesn't mean some organization wont be helpful, for both you and people considering helping. Your UPP mod pack is all around the place, up, down, everywhere. Having them together, and next to other similar mods (perk mods) makes an easier read. Same for weapon mods, armor mods, npc mods, houses, quests, etc.

 

Your save problem is likely due to a drity save, load an earlier save (you can pretty much consider that one lost).

If earlier saves fail too, try a new game, if it fails too, then time to go back to the load order and go 1 by 1 to learn who is the culprit.