Intermittent Exclamations & Invisibility. HELP!

[Menageryl]

Hi all.

 

Hoping, sincerely, that there's someone out there that can help me resolve my problems - I'm at wits' end - pulling my hair out in absolute frustration!!!

 

I'm not exactly a modding-newb, and I've resolved a lot of issues over time. I've had such success modding Fallout 3 and New Vegas that I eventually committed to downloading basically EVERY mod that tickled my fancy for both games, and got them going - I have over 200 plugins active for each.

 

I initially ran into that nebulous issue you get when TOO MANY plugins are active - where random textures and the like just go nuts and are replaced by our favourite red-exclamations.

Resolved simply enough by pairing down the active-plugins / loaded-mods to a sub-216 value (sounds like an arbitrary number, but 220 / 222 seems to be more-or-less the line not to cross on my system, so I keep to 216 to be safe).

I specifically mention this because the problem I have now seems to be the same or similar thing, but I've basically ruled it out definitively.

 

I had Fallout 3 running seemingly fine for a bit. Then suddenly started experiencing my current issue...

On start-up / load of the game everything initially seems fine. Nothing out of the ordinary, all is right with the world.

Though the following actions aren't the only trigger for problems to start showing up, I've found that they consistently and reliably kick things off: Soon as I pull up my pip-boy (which is OK first time around), then put it away again, things go nuts! The pip-boy itself is replaced by the wonderful red-exclamation, as are a lot of other items in the world-space (NPCs nearby are shown carrying them, items just lying around are replaced by them, etc.) and in addition, if I switch to 3rd-person view, I discover that my PC's central body has become invisible or see-through - her lower arms and hands, legs, and head appear normal, but her trunk etc. shows the scenery on the other side!

 

I've tried resolving the problem by hand-loading textures and then meshes from multiple different mods I've installed, with no success.

I've tried a whole LOT of things - quite frankly so many different troubleshooting steps that my head feels it'll explode and I can no longer keep track of it all!!!

 

I'm REALLY, REALLY desperate to be able to finally re-play the game now that it's been fully modded, and I'd be eternally grateful to any and all that offer their help, guidance, and wisdom to me!!!!

I'm desperate enough at this point to listen to ALL suggestions and try ANYTHING!!!

 

The attached file is a NMM-exported load-list of things as they stand.

 

Dying to hear from y'all! :-)

 

 

 

[AxlDave]

if I switch to 3rd-person view, I discover that my PC's central body has become invisible or see-through - her lower arms and hands, legs, and head appear normal, but her trunk etc. shows the scenery on the other side!

 

Now, I can't remember the technical specifics, but there is something that tells the game what body parts to display in 1st and 3rd person. This is why if in 1st person you look down you cannot see your legs or torso. You may have already checked this, but if you can find whatever defines the body parts shown, that might yield some answers to this particular problem.

 

With regard to the rest of it, I'm afraid I wouldn't even know where to begin with that many mods. My only suggestion - which you probably won't like - is that computers aren't perfect and neither are the programs for them. Sometimes, even if you've done everything right, sh*t just f*cks up. Perhaps remove some of the less enticing mods? Else it may have to be the dreaded full wipe reinstall...

 

But then maybe someone with more experience will disagree and come up with a solution.

[Menageryl]

Thanks for the reply!

 

My primary b!tch really is that I managed to get to this large number of mods installed - SUCCESSFULLY I might add - by doing everything right! I'd install only a single mod or three or four at a time, then spend time in-game making sure that the new additions didn't screw anything up!

I did this step-by-step until every mod on the list - AND MORE - were installed and the game was working BEAUTIFULLY!!!

 

It was then that I ran into the "too many active plugins" issue, and thereafter reduced the installed mods list by a bunch.

Theoretically problem solved, I happily started a new game and managed to get all the way to the start of character-level three before this (these?) new problem reared it's ugly head. With no other changes between then and now.

 

The sheer time it took to carefully, properly, get everything installed and tested and balanced and WORKING - to now be so casually screwed up and tossed out!!!??!?!?!!!

... I... I just CANNOT ALLOW for that to be the last word... DAMMIT!!!

[AxlDave]

The sheer time it took to carefully, properly, get everything installed and tested and balanced and WORKING - to now be so casually screwed up and tossed out!!!??!?!?!!!

... I... I just CANNOT ALLOW for that to be the last word... DAMMIT!!!

 

I get that, spent months getting Oblivion installed, updated, patched, DLC'd, modded, expanded and retextured. Then I had the clever idea of installing Deadly Reflexes. *Facepalm*.

 

I hate to ask something so simple, but you have tried toggling Archive Invalidation off / on, right?

[M48A5]

FOOK and FWE do not work together, choose one or the other.

[Purr4me]

Sent PM to OP:

 

kitty.

[Menageryl]

MUCH appreciate the responses - both Purr4me and M48AS!!!

 

Unfortunately, after following both sets of advice I still haven't managed to resolve the particular issues in question. <Sigh>

 

I've finally, sadly, resolved to do a complete, clean re-install again. And then re-load the entire blinking set of mods from scratch - though this time I'll take both sets of guidance into account whilst I do so.

I'll report back on the success (hopefully) thereof when I eventually get through all of it...

 

Wish me luck - this is going to suck hugely!!! :-D

[Menageryl]

Meh.

 

So. Fresh install done and re-install of all relevant mods.

 

In the process I discovered that a number of the mods I had installed had Zeta components (many that were loose-file only instead of esp or esm files)... I think that's where I ran into trouble primarily - that and the mix of FOOK and FWE.

 

Strangely, I think I've managed to learn quite a bit more from this process about what to keep and eye on and be aware of etc. when modding. So I suppose it's a win.

I'm about an hour out of the vault now and so-far-so-good. Hold thumbs it remains that way. :)

 

THANKS AGAIN Y'ALL!

[Purr4me]

Congrats on the find, it does take some time to learn the in's and out's of this old game. We are here to help if we can.

 

kitty.

[Menageryl]

Hehe... I thought I was pretty-well experienced with modding... Just goes to show that the specifics of any single, particular game can be... er... convoluted. And hugely important.

 

I've actually taken what I learned here now and re-modded my install of New Vegas as well.

 

I've yet to actually do a proper, complete run-through of Fallout 3 in modded status. The reason I wanted to get the darn thing right now is because that's the intention I now have - to do a complete game with it modded up the whazoo!

Unlike with Fallout 3, I've not yet actually finished New Vegas without mods! I came VERY close to the end-game, then decided to hold back until I had all the DLC. Now that I finally DO have all NV DLC I've decided to do a similar thing as per Fallout 3 (just without a Vanilla finished game first) - install all "the best" mods I can fit in there, now alongside DLC I have yet to experience - and then start a new game so I can experience it from start to finish with all the goodies in-place!

 

Anyways... I'll be dropping by again should the need arise. Otherwise, thanks, again, and laters! :)