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Okay, I will be explaining the process of my modding and my troubles very thoroughly. I hope that someone can help me explain why this happened to me, how I can prevent it, and, perhaps even come up with a solution. Bare with me.

TL;DR? I Installed new mods, got CTD (Crash To Desktop) on loading screen, uninstalled. Same thing. I used a new permanent save file and didn't save after installing new mods.

Prelude

Hello. I was fed up with crashes and infinite and freezing loading screens, so I decided to leave behind my dear abused save file and start a new one. This time being a lot more selective with the mods I install, and ALWAYS try new mods out on a clean save file.

Preparation
I kept all the lovely mods that I've had no problem with that have worked fine, and removed some that I didn't need or hadn't had the patience to try out yet.
I BOSS'd my load order. I got CTD on start-up and TES5Edit said that "moonpath_questdata.esp" must be loaded before "moonpath.esm". Which was weird, because, Moonthpath to Elswyr was uninstalled. I re-installed it. Had the same, or similiar problem with Wyrmstooth, which I solved by re-installing Wyrthstooth too, deleting %localappdata%/Skyrim directory and re-run BOSS. I was now able to start the game. At some point, I also deleted my My Games/Skyrim folder, too.

New Game
I started a new game, played until I came into Bleak Falls Temple, where I made a new permanent save file.

 

This is the load order of that save file, according to Wrye Bash (I use NMM to install mods and re-order my load order.).

Load Order of Save 112 (image)

http://fuskbugg.se/file/a1ykhh/Save%20122%20%20fix.png

 

Load Order of Save 112 (text)

 

 

00 Skyrim.esm
01 Update.esm
02 Dawnguard.esm
03 HearthFires.esm
04 Dragonborn.esm
05 Falskaar.esm
06 ImmersiveContent.esm
07 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
08 moonpath.esm
09 SPIKE.esm
0A WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm
0B MagicDuelReborn.esm
0C Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a]
0D OBlHairFinal.esm
0E Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]
0F Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]
10 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0]
11 SMPC.esp
12 Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp
13 Ars Metallica.esp [Version 1.2.1]
14 Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp [Version 1.2.1]
15 Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp [Version 1.2.1]
16 Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp [Version 1.2.1]
17 LDWrapUpTutorialComplete.esp
18 Brawl Bugs CE.esp
19 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
1A Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
1B Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp
1C fantasy music overhaul.esp
1D StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
1E Chesko_Frostfall.esp
1F ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.esp
20 StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
21 ImmersiveContentExteriorLighting.esp [Version 1.3]
22 StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
23 ImmersiveContentEXTLightDawnguard.esp
24 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp
25 birdsofskyrim.esp
26 ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
27 Catsofskyrim.esp
28 Dogsofskyrim.esp
29 mintylightningmod.esp
2A AOS.esp
2B falskaar_loadscreen_fix.esp
2C MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
2D AOS_DGDB Patch.esp
2E JK Crafting Breakdown.esp
2F ImprovedFishBASIC.esp
30 JK Crafting Breakdown - Hearthfire.esp
31 MVABasic.esp
32 Twilis's Skooma, Grind bonemeal etc.esp
33 Destructible_bottles.esp
34 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
35 RaceMenu.esp
36 iHUD.esp
37 Immersive Weapons.esp
38 Babettes Feast v1_2.esp
39 SkyUI.esp
3A Remodeled Armor.esp
3B BirdsHFclean.esp
3C SmartCast_1_0.esp [Version 1.0]
3D Dr_Bandolier.esp
3E Gold Coin Crafting.esp
3F Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
40 Dr_BandolierDG.esp
41 CookingExpanded.esp [Version 1.2b.]
42 CookingExpanded - Hearthfire.esp
43 CookingExpanded - Dragonborn.esp
44 calyps-animal-ears.esp
45 moonpath_questdata.esp
46 RaceMenuOverlays.esp
47 rideable netch.esp
48 skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
49 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
4A Hunterborn.esp
4B The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp
4C Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
4D Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
4E Lore Weapon Expansion.esp [Version 1.0]
4F Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
50 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.9]
51 wearrobsovurarurm.esp
52 Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp
53 WeaponsArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp
54 weardargonbarnrobsovurarurm.esp
55 FalskaarDawnguard.esp
56 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
57 IslandFastTravel.esp
58 UnreadBooksGlow.esp [Version 2.1.0]
59 TouringCarriages.esp
5A wizDynamicThings.esp
5B Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp
5C EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
5D ELFX - Exteriors.esp
5E Artifact Disenchanting.esp
5F ELFX - Moonpath.esp
60 Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp
61 ELFXEnhancer.esp
62 Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp
63 SilverReprice.esp
64 ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
65 Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp [Version 1.1]
66 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
67 RND_DestructibleBottles-Patch.esp
68 Atlas Map Markers.esp
69 Atlas Blackreach.esp
6A RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
6B Atlas Dawnguard.esp
6C RND_USKP-Patch.esp
6D RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
6E Atlas Hearthfire.esp
6F FalskaarRNDHotfix.esp
70 Atlas Dragonborn.esp
71 Lock Overhaul.esp
72 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.3.3b]
73 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
74 MiningforMages.esp
75 MineMarkers.esp
76 Shrine of Talos fix ENG.esp
77 SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
78 Shrine of Talos fix.esp
79 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
7A Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp
7B DeadlyDragons.esp
7C Book Covers Skyrim.esp
7D togglehelm.esp
7E ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
7F Book Covers Dawnguard.esp
80 Convenient Horses.esp
81 fasttraveleverywhereincdlc.esp
82 Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp
83 Book Covers Hearthfire.esp
84 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
85 Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
86 ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
87 Book Covers Dragonborn.esp
88 ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp
89 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp
8A Consistent Stars - CoT.esp
8B CoT_SnowPatch_NoAurora.esp
8C prod80_CoT_patch.esp
8D EzEWorldMap.esp
8E EzEMapSolstheim.esp
8F ABT - Loot Arrows -25%.esp
90 AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp
91 AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp
92 Ancient Spells 2.esp
93 ABT - Recover +25% Arrows and Bolts.esp
94 RND_BabettesFeast-Patch.esp
95 RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp
96 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
97 DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp
98 AOS_DSI Patch.esp
99 MagicDuelReborn - Shouts.esp
9A Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
9B ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +25%.esp
9C ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +25%.esp
9D ABT - Merchants Arrows -25%.esp
9E ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp
9F ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp
A0 Uncapped Perks - Conjuration.esp
A1 Uncapped Perks - Speech.esp
A2 Uncapped Perks - Restoration.esp
A3 Uncapped Perks - Illusion.esp
A4 Uncapped Perks - Heavy Armor.esp
A5 Uncapped Perks - Alchemy.esp
A6 Uncapped Perks - Block.esp
A7 Uncapped Perks - Enchanting.esp
A8 Uncapped Perks - Alteration.esp
A9 MountedCasting.esp
AA Uncapped Perks - Combat + Stealth.esp
AB Uncapped Perks - Sneak.esp
AC Uncapped Perks - One Handed.esp
AD Uncapped Perks - Pickpocket.esp
AE Uncapped Perks - Archery.esp
AF Uncapped Perks - Two Handed.esp
B0 Uncapped Perks - Destruction.esp
B1 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
B2 Uncapped Perks - Light Armor.esp
B3 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
B4 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
B5 Cooking Expanded - RND Support.esp
B6 Improved Fish BASIC - RND Support.esp
B7 BorderSense.esp
B8 SKSE Hotkeys.esp
B9 Upgraded Weapons and Armors.esp
BA Point The Way.esp [Version 1.0.2]
BB ABT - Immersive Weapons 25%.esp
BC ImmersiveSpells.esp
BD SMPC_sounds.esp
BE Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Then I decided to install these mods:

 

 

Textures and models

Better Town Textures - SMIM version v1.0 - why does it come with an .esp?

Better Town Textures - Expanded Towns and Cities - Patch v6.5

Expanded Towns and Cities (modular) v6.5

Ruins Clutter Improved NMM Version v2.6 (custom) (without candles as SMIM already replaces those)

Vivid Landscapes - Cliffs and Creeks 1024 v2.3

Vivid Landscapes - Tundra Moss Revised - yellow 1024 v1.3

High Definition Ivy - Vanilla Color Scheme v2.00

 

ENB

ENBSeries v0.233 (Wrapper Version)

RealVision ENB - Option B - Performance v2.3b.333 - CoT - ELFX - UHQ Sharpen

 

etc

Immersive Creatures v6.1.3

 

 

I UN-installed Beast Skeletons, as they are already included in Immersive Creatures that I installed.

 

I also made some changes to my .ini files.

Here, the entries starting with a semicolon ( :wink: are either the vanilla values (on "High" setting), or, if it's marked with "!!NEW!!", it means that the entry did not exist prior to me adding it.

 

Skyrim.ini

The commented

 

 

[General]
;sIntroSequence !!NEW!!
sIntroSequence=
sLanguage=ENGLISH
;fFlickeringLightDistance !!NEW!!
fFlickeringLightDistance=8192
uExterior Cell Buffer=36
[Display]
;fDecalLifetime !!NEW!!
fDecalLifetime=512.0
fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0
fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0
fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0
;fSunShadowUpdateTime !!NEW!!
fSunShadowUpdateTime=0
;fSunUpdateThreshold !!NEW!!
fSunUpdateThreshold=2.0
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
bAllowScreenshot=1
[Audio]
fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0
fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0
fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0
fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0
[Grass]
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0
;iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure !!NEW!!
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=7
[GeneralWarnings]
SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.
[Archive]
sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa
[Combat]
fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0
;f1PArrowTiltUpAngle !!NEW!!
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
;f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7 !!NEW!!
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
;bEnableLogging=0
bEnableLogging=1
;bEnableTrace=0
bEnableTrace=1
;bLoadDebugInformation=0
bLoadDebugInformation=1
[Water]
bReflectLODObjects=1
bReflectLODLand=1
bReflectSky=0
bReflectLODTrees=1
[Actor]
;fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist !!NEW!!
fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000
[MapMenu]
;fMapWorldMaxPitch !!NEW!!
fMapWorldMaxPitch=400.0000
;fMapWorldMinPitch !!NEW!!
fMapWorldMinPitch=0.0000
;fMapWorldYawRange !!NEW!!
fMapWorldYawRange=3600.0000
;bWorldMapNoSkyDepthBlur !!NEW!!
bWorldMapNoSkyDepthBlur=1
;fWorldMapNearDepthBlurScale !!NEW!!
fWorldMapNearDepthBlurScale=0
;fWorldMapDepthBlurScale !!NEW!!
fWorldMapDepthBlurScale=0
;fWorldMapMaximumDepthBlur !!NEW!!
fWorldMapMaximumDepthBlur=0
;uLockedObjectMapLOD !!NEW!!
uLockedObjectMapLOD=8
;uLockedTerrainLOD !!NEW!!
uLockedTerrainLOD=8
;fMapLookMouseSpeed !!NEW!!
fMapLookMouseSpeed=4.0000
;fMapZoomMouseSpeed !!NEW!!
fMapZoomMouseSpeed=10.0000
;fMapLocalCursorPanSpeed !!NEW!!
fMapLocalCursorPanSpeed=300.0000
;fMapWorldZoomSpeed !!NEW!!
fMapWorldZoomSpeed=0.2000
;fMapMoveKeyboardSpeed !!NEW!!
fMapMoveKeyboardSpeed=0.01

SkyrimPrefs.ini
Same thing here.

[General]
fBrightLightColorB=1.0000
fBrightLightColorG=1.0000
fBrightLightColorR=1.0000
iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
[imagespace]
bDoDepthOfField=1
iRadialBlurLevel=1
[Display]
iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
fShadowDistance=4000
iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
iShadowSplitCount=2
;iMaxAnisotropy=8
iMaxAnisotropy=0
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=5000
;fGamma=1.0000
fGamma=1.2400
fDecalLOD2=1500.0000
fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
fSpecularLODStartFade=1000
fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
fLightLODStartFade=2500
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
iTexMipMapSkip=0
iWaterMultiSamples=0
;iMultiSample=8
iMultiSample=0
iShadowMode=3
;bTreesReceiveShadows=0
bTreesReceiveShadows=1
;bDrawLandShadows=0
bDrawLandShadows=1
bFull Screen=0
iSize H=1080
iSize W=1920
fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=1e+007
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=1e+007
iScreenShotIndex=2
bShadowMaskZPrepass=0
bMainZPrepass=0
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=10
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=30
;bFloatPointRenderTarget=0
bFloatPointRenderTarget=1
sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 "
;bFXAAEnabled=1
bFXAAEnabled=0
iShadowMapResolution=2048
fShadowBiasScale=0.25
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iAdapter=0
iPresentInterval=0
iShadowFilter=3
bShadowsOnGrass=1
bTransparencyMultisampling=0
bDeferredShadows=1
bDrawShadows=1
[Grass]
b30GrassVS=0
fGrassStartFadeDistance=5000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
[MAIN]
bGamepadEnable=1
bCrosshairEnabled=1
fHUDOpacity=1.0000
bSaveOnPause=1
bSaveOnTravel=1
bSaveOnWait=1
bSaveOnRest=1
fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000
[GamePlay]
bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
bShowQuestMarkers=1
iDifficulty=2
[interface]
bDialogueSubtitles=1
bGeneralSubtitles=1
fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000
bShowCompass=1
[Controls]
fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000
fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0320
bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
bInvertYValues=0
bGamePadRumble=1
;bMouseAcceleration=1
bMouseAcceleration=0
bUseKinect=0
[Particles]
iMaxDesired=750
[saveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000
[AudioMenu]
fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
fVal7=1.0000
uID7=0
fVal6=1.0000
uID6=0
fVal5=1.0000
uID5=0
fVal4=1.0000
uID4=3954
fVal3=1.0000
uID3=94881
fVal2=0.4500
uID2=466532
fVal1=1.0000
uID1=554685
fVal0=0.8500
uID0=1007612
[Clouds]
fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000
fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000
fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000
[TerrainManager]
fTreeLoadDistance=40000
fBlockMaximumDistance=150000
fBlockLevel1Distance=40000
fBlockLevel0Distance=25000
fSplitDistanceMult=1.1
bShowLODInEditor=0
[NavMesh]
fObstacleAlpha=0.5000
fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000
fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500
fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000
fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500
fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000
fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000
fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500
fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000
fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000
fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000
fEdgeThickness=10.0000
fPointSize=2.5000
[Trees]
bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
[Decals]
uMaxDecals=250
bDecals=1
;bDecalsOnSkinnedGeometry !!NEW!!
bDecalsOnSkinnedGeometry=1
bSkinnedDecals=1
uMaxSkinDecals=50
uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=40
[LOD]
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=7.5
fLODFadeOutMultItems=4.5
fLODFadeOutMultActors=6
fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000
[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1
bShowAllResolutions=0
uLastAspectRatio=3
[blurShaderHDR]
bDoHighDynamicRange=1
[blurShader]
bUseBlurShader=0
[Water]
iWaterReflectHeight=512
iWaterReflectWidth=512
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterRefractions=1
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterDepth=1

 

The madness begins
After starting the game and my rather new save file, It worked, but upon pressing [Esc] to open up the game menu I got a crash-to-desktop. Tried again and the same thing happened. After one more try, I think I actually managed to press [Esc] without a crash, however, after walking a few meters and facing an enemy, I got the crash.

 

A trick

I sometimes do is to disable a plugin from the Skyrim Launcher (the bashed patch usually, since it's last, but I don't think it matters which), close the launcher, open it again, re-enable the plugin. I think this shuffles around my load order a bit, but sometimes this works.

 

Sometimes, after running BOSS, I get CTD on start-up. TES5Edit tells me something that a plugin needs its master to be loaded prior to it, which it already is. That is so frustrating and mind-bogging.

This little trick, to disable and re-enable a plugin from the launcher, usually helps for CTD on start-up, and sometimes even CTD on loading screen.

 

Bashed Patch

I have had a batched patch for a while, but have never really figured out how to update it. I just open Wrye Bash, it says something about 'dates reset', and I close it again. I thought this might be how you make your Bashed Patch updated to your load order. I used Wrye Bash to add bash tags suggested by BOSS.

In fact, I didn't know crap about Wrye Bash, so I decided to look things up.
Apparently, red background means the plugin should be tagged as "disabled". I did that to the plugins it suggested.

 

Minor change

and moved RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp to just above Hunterborn.esp, since the compatibility patch for those two mods listed Hunterborn.esp as its second master and RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp as its third.

I learnt how to re-build my bashed patch and did so.

 

It finally worked... until...

However, the plugins tagged with the "Disable" bash tag, were disabled in my load order and did not show up in my game (like Touring Carriages were just normal carriages that fast travels). Big surprise there, huh?

 

I re-enabled the disabled plugins and started up the game. The loading screen were showing for about half a minute before it crashed to desktop.
I re-built the Wrye Bash. No change.
I tried my little trick mentioned above. No change.

Tried uninstalling all the mods I had previously installed, again, the ones mentioned above (Immersive Creatures, Better Towns Textures, etc.).

I re-installed Beast Skeletons.

I changed extensions for d3d9.dll, enbseries.dll and enbhost.exe, to make them .bak instead, therefore disabling the ENB. I also renamed the "shaders" folder that came with RealVision ENB, to "shaders BAK", in order to disable those files.

I don't know why, but upon loading the save file, it says that it relies on content that is no longer available and asks me if i really want to proceed loading, even though Wrye Bash doesn't list any in-active plugin for that save file.

 

There are now no plugins with red background (i.e. "needs to be tagged with 'disable'"). This is probably because I uninstalled the new mods that I had installed, and Wrye Bash no longer thinks it's necessary.

 

This is my current load order (exported from Nexus Mod Manager)

GameMode=Skyrim
Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Falskaar.esm=1
ImmersiveContent.esm=1
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1
moonpath.esm=1
SPIKE.esm=1
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm=1
MagicDuelReborn.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
OBlHairFinal.esm=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
SMPC.esp=1
Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp=1
Ars Metallica.esp=1
Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp=1
Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp=1
Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp=1
LDWrapUpTutorialComplete.esp=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=0
HighResTexturePack02.esp=0
HighResTexturePack03.esp=0
Brawl Bugs CE.esp=1
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=0
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp=1
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp=1
Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp=1
fantasy music overhaul.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp=1
ImmersiveContentExteriorLighting.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp=1
ImmersiveContentEXTLightDawnguard.esp=1
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp=1
birdsofskyrim.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp=1
Catsofskyrim.esp=1
Dogsofskyrim.esp=1
mintylightningmod.esp=1
AOS.esp=1
falskaar_loadscreen_fix.esp=1
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp=1
AOS_DGDB Patch.esp=1
JK Crafting Breakdown.esp=1
ImprovedFishBASIC.esp=1
JK Crafting Breakdown - Hearthfire.esp=1
MVABasic.esp=1
Twilis's Skooma, Grind bonemeal etc.esp=1
Destructible_bottles.esp=1
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
iHUD.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=0
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
Babettes Feast v1_2.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
Remodeled Armor.esp=1
BirdsHFclean.esp=1
SmartCast_1_0.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
Gold Coin Crafting.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
Dr_BandolierDG.esp=1
CookingExpanded.esp=1
CookingExpanded - Hearthfire.esp=1
CookingExpanded - Dragonborn.esp=1
calyps-animal-ears.esp=1
moonpath_questdata.esp=1
RaceMenuOverlays.esp=1
rideable netch.esp=1
skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp=1
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1
Hunterborn.esp=1
The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp=1
Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp=0
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp=1
Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp=1
Wyrmstooth.esp=1
wearrobsovurarurm.esp=1
Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp=1
WeaponsArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp=1
weardargonbarnrobsovurarurm.esp=1
FalskaarDawnguard.esp=1
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
IslandFastTravel.esp=1
UnreadBooksGlow.esp=1
TouringCarriages.esp=1
wizDynamicThings.esp=1
Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp=1
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1
ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1
Artifact Disenchanting.esp=1
ELFX - Moonpath.esp=1
Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp=1
ELFXEnhancer.esp=1
Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp=1
SilverReprice.esp=1
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp=1
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp=1
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
RND_DestructibleBottles-Patch.esp=1
Atlas Map Markers.esp=1
Atlas Blackreach.esp=1
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp=1
Atlas Dawnguard.esp=1
RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
Atlas Hearthfire.esp=1
FalskaarRNDHotfix.esp=1
Atlas Dragonborn.esp=1
Lock Overhaul.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1
MiningforMages.esp=1
MineMarkers.esp=1
Shrine of Talos fix ENG.esp=1
SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp=1
Shrine of Talos fix.esp=1
SFO - Dragonborn.esp=1
Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp=1
DeadlyDragons.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
togglehelm.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
fasttraveleverywhereincdlc.esp=1
Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp=1
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp=1
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp=1
Book Covers Dragonborn.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp=1
Consistent Stars - CoT.esp=1
CoT_SnowPatch_NoAurora.esp=1
prod80_CoT_patch.esp=1
EzEWorldMap.esp=1
EzEMapSolstheim.esp=1
ABT - Loot Arrows -25%.esp=0
AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp=1
AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp=1
Ancient Spells 2.esp=1
ABT - Recover +25% Arrows and Bolts.esp=1
RND_BabettesFeast-Patch.esp=1
RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp=1
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp=1
DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp=1
AOS_DSI Patch.esp=1
MagicDuelReborn - Shouts.esp=1
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp=1
ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +25%.esp=1
ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +25%.esp=1
ABT - Merchants Arrows -25%.esp=0
ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp=1
ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Conjuration.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Speech.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Restoration.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Illusion.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Heavy Armor.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Alchemy.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Block.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Enchanting.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Alteration.esp=1
MountedCasting.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Combat + Stealth.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Sneak.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - One Handed.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Pickpocket.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Archery.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Two Handed.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Destruction.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
Uncapped Perks - Light Armor.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=1
Cooking Expanded - RND Support.esp=1
Improved Fish BASIC - RND Support.esp=1
BorderSense.esp=1
SKSE Hotkeys.esp=1
Upgraded Weapons and Armors.esp=1
Point The Way.esp=1
ABT - Immersive Weapons 25%.esp=1
ImmersiveSpells.esp=1
SMPC_sounds.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1

 

 

DLCList.txt

Now, what is DLCList.txt from %localappdata%/Skyrim, because I don't understand it.

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp
ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +25%.esp
ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +25%.esp
ABT - Immersive Weapons 25%.esp
ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp
ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp
ABT - Loot Arrows -25%.esp
ABT - Merchants Arrows -25%.esp
ABT - Recover +25% Arrows and Bolts.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Ancient Spells 2.esp
AOS.esp
AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp
AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp
AOS_DGDB Patch.esp
AOS_DSI Patch.esp
Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp
Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp
Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp
Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp
Artifact Disenchanting.esp
Atlas Blackreach.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
Atlas Dawnguard.esp
Atlas Dragonborn.esp
Atlas Hearthfire.esp
Atlas Map Markers.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Babettes Feast v1_2.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
BirdsHFclean.esp
birdsofskyrim.esp
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp
Book Covers Dragonborn.esp
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
BorderSense.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
calyps-animal-ears.esp
Catsofskyrim.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp
Consistent Stars - CoT.esp
Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Cooking Expanded - RND Support.esp
CookingExpanded - Dragonborn.esp
CookingExpanded - Hearthfire.esp
CookingExpanded.esp
CoT_SnowPatch_NoAurora.esp
Dawnguard.esm
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Destructible_bottles.esp
Dogsofskyrim.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ELFX - Moonpath.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.esp
EzEMapSolstheim.esp
EzEWorldMap.esp
Falskaar.esm
FalskaarDawnguard.esp
FalskaarRNDHotfix.esp
falskaar_loadscreen_fix.esp
fantasy music overhaul.esp
fasttraveleverywhereincdlc.esp
Gold Coin Crafting.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
HearthFires.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
iHUD.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
ImmersiveContent.esm
ImmersiveContentExteriorLighting.esp
ImmersiveContentEXTLightDawnguard.esp
ImmersiveSpells.esp
Improved Fish BASIC - RND Support.esp
ImprovedFishBASIC.esp
IslandFastTravel.esp
JK Crafting Breakdown - Hearthfire.esp
JK Crafting Breakdown.esp
LDWrapUpTutorialComplete.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
MagicDuelReborn - Shouts.esp
MagicDuelReborn.esm
MineMarkers.esp
MiningforMages.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
moonpath.esm
moonpath_questdata.esp
MountedCasting.esp
MVABasic.esp
OBlHairFinal.esm
Point The Way.esp
prod80_CoT_patch.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuOverlays.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Remodeled Armor.esp
rideable netch.esp
RND_BabettesFeast-Patch.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_DestructibleBottles-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
Shrine of Talos fix ENG.esp
Shrine of Talos fix.esp
SilverReprice.esp
SKSE Hotkeys.esp
skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SkyUI.esp
SmartCast_1_0.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
SMPC.esp
SMPC_sounds.esp
SPIKE.esm
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp
togglehelm.esp
TouringCarriages.esp
Twilis's Skooma, Grind bonemeal etc.esp
Uncapped Perks - Alchemy.esp
Uncapped Perks - Alteration.esp
Uncapped Perks - Archery.esp
Uncapped Perks - Block.esp
Uncapped Perks - Combat + Stealth.esp
Uncapped Perks - Conjuration.esp
Uncapped Perks - Destruction.esp
Uncapped Perks - Enchanting.esp
Uncapped Perks - Heavy Armor.esp
Uncapped Perks - Illusion.esp
Uncapped Perks - Light Armor.esp
Uncapped Perks - One Handed.esp
Uncapped Perks - Pickpocket.esp
Uncapped Perks - Restoration.esp
Uncapped Perks - Sneak.esp
Uncapped Perks - Speech.esp
Uncapped Perks - Two Handed.esp
Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
Upgraded Weapons and Armors.esp
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_GuardDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp
weardargonbarnrobsovurarurm.esp
wearrobsovurarurm.esp
wizDynamicThings.esp
Wyrmstooth.esp
Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp

Bashed Patch Config

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Config

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Patch Mode

Python

Merge Patches

• Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

• ABT - Loot Arrows -25%.esp

• ABT - Merchants Arrows -25%.esp

Import Stats

• Update.esm

• Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

• Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

• Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

• Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

• Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp

Tweak Settings

Actor Strength Encumbrance Multiplier [5]

AI: Max Active Actors [20]

Arrow: Recovery from Actor [33%]

Arrow: Speed [x 1.0]

Cell: Respawn Time [10 Days]

Cell: Respawn Time (Cleared) [30 Days]

Combat: Alchemy [Disallow]

Combat: Max Actors [20]

Combat: Recharge Weapons [Allow]

Companions: Max Number [6]

Crime: Alarm Distance [4000]

Crime: Assault Fine [40]

Crime: Days in Prison [100]

Crime: Escape Jail [100]

Crime: Murder Bounty [1000]

Crime: Pickpocketing Fine [25]

Crime: Trespassing Fine [5]

Max Resistence [85%]

Max Summons [1]

Max Training [5]

Msg: Soul Captured! [None]

Timescale [20]

Leveled Lists

Update.esm [ADR]

Dawnguard.esm [ADR]

HearthFires.esm [ADR]

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [ADR]

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [ADR]

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [AD]

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp [ADR]

Immersive Weapons.esp [ADR]

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp [ADR]

Lore Weapon Expansion.esp [ADR]

Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp [ADR]

RND_USKP-Patch.esp [AR]

DeadlyDragons.esp [ADR]

 

The save file isn't important, but can someone please help me explain why this happened?

Can a save file break by installing or uninstalling a mod, even though I did not overwrite the file after installing and uninstalling?

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Yes it can very easily.

 

So you installed like 10 mods uninstalled some and did an ini change and things went to hades in a handbasket?

 

Anyway, If I were you I would try to go back to an old save and the old set up (since you seem to remember it clearly) including the skeleton. I know its in the other mod but the game may not think it is.

 

Then do just one thing at a time..play a bit make a new save and move on. Skyrim is not very forgiving in changes made and even if you disable a mod the info (especially scripts) can stay in the save. Sometimes you have to save, exit, disable..go back and make a new save...exit and delete the content in total...load save and hope it works then make a new save again.

 

This is why we always make backups of files and saves and only do one thing at a time and test it. yes I know it is hard and I sometimes try to cheat..to my regret.

 

ALso always read the documentation with the mod. Many have very specific install and uninstall instructions. They type it for a reason...read it!! :)

 

Hopefully you don't have to reinstall skyrim. Good luck.

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Yes it can very easily.

 

So you installed like 10 mods uninstalled some and did an ini change and things went to hades in a handbasket?

 

Anyway, If I were you I would try to go back to an old save and the old set up (since you seem to remember it clearly) including the skeleton. I know its in the other mod but the game may not think it is.

Aye, I will be even more careful. But what I don't get is how my save file (I mean THIS particular save file, that I made as a backup) could have been broken even though I did not overwrite it at any point and went back to my old mods. The warning upon loading it though suggests that I did not fully go back to my old mods. I'm not sure. Maybe I have overlooked something. And I should have made a backup of my backup save.

 

By the way, if you change your load order (and I mean *just the order*), from a working one, to a one that also should work, can that affect your save file? Of course it will if you change something critical that would make mods incompatible with each other. Let's say you have a working one but just want to clean it up a little. Can just changing the order of some mods, from time to time, affect your save file?

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