colourwheel Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Honestly I don't mind construstive criticism when people rate my work. But I am a very concerned about when people not only rate my work but anyones work for unfit reasons low. If you honestly feel like any file deserves a rating of 1 or even a low rating, it is best to not even rate or leave comment at all. concidering how the current rating system is set there really should be no reason to rate any file a 1 or even a low rating at all. I would have to say over 99.9% of all files uploaded on this site I have seen do exactly what they are suppose to do, yet I always see people try to justify why they rate a file a low. Honestly if you are one of those people who rate low for any other reason than what a file should do just ask your self this... How would you feel if you were a modder uploading files on a forum to download for free and people rate your work unjustly? Do you honestly think even if you feel an author deserves a low rating for a file that it will change anything? how do you think others in the community will look at you when they see you rating low or commenting negative criticism? Ussually if files are rated low or a comment is left with negative criticism it will just be removed. Dont worry I am not going to pull my work off this forum or anything. But lots of times you will see lots of Authors pull their work off any forum when they feel people do not like their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Honestly I don't mind construstive criticism when people rate my work. But I am a very concerned about when people not only rate my work but anyones work for unfit reasons low. If you honestly feel like any file deserves a rating of 1 or even a low rating, it is best to not even rate or leave comment at all. concidering how the current rating system is set there really should be no reason to rate any file a 1 or even a low rating at all. I would have to say over 99.9% of all files uploaded on this site I have seen do exactly what they are suppose to do, yet I always see people try to justify why they rate a file a low. Honestly if you are one of those people who rate low for any other reason than what a file should do just ask your self this... How would you feel if you were a modder uploading files on a forum to download for free and people rate your work unjustly? Do you honestly think even if you feel an author deserves a low rating for a file that it will change anything? how do you think others in the community will look at you when they see you rating low or commenting negative criticism? Ussually if files are rated low or a comment is left with negative criticism it will just be removed. Dont worry I am not going to pull my work off this forum or anything. But lots of times you will see lots of Authors pull their work off any forum when they feel people do not like their work.Unfortunately it is usually just those who are new to modding, or don't visit the forums, or simply don't care who are doing this. Getting upset over it, even when it is for your own work only means that the trolls win. Unfair ratings, and hostile comments can be removed or ignored. Shouldn't let it get to you or anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Unfortunately it is usually just those who are new to modding, or don't visit the forums, or simply don't care who are doing this. Getting upset over it, even when it is for your own work only means that the trolls win. Unfair ratings, and hostile comments can be removed or ignored. Shouldn't let it get to you or anyone else. Even if thise message gets through to only one person who unjustly rates or leaves negative comments, then the pupose of this thread has done what it was intended for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayakyrol Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I don't think anyone who slams these files because they're a <insert explitives> cares. And I think the community may be getting tired of both people doing this and modders complaining about it. This has been going for ages and it may not ever stop. The fact is this downrating has not prevented quality mods from being seen. People will find good mods, talk about them, share them with friends, etc, and the userbase for that mod will grow regardless of whether or not it has a 9.9 or 9.5 or 8.0 on Nexus. Edit: Personally, I don't even rate mods unless I feel that they are unjustly overrated (and they really have to rub me the wrong way, i.e. horrible, horrible grammar/spelling, contrived storyline. etc). If that is the case I will both rate it and give it a response as to why I feel this way about it. I don't think I've ever rated anything lower than a 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurokD Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I know I'm about to be publicly lynched... I've been lurking around the TESNexus forums for several years now and I keep seeing this idea reoccur, only rate mods high numbers and only rate mods if you like them. The reasoning is that the rating system should be used to indicate whether or not the mod works as intended. That's silly, why not just allow one person, preferably the first person to download the mod, to check a "works" box and then leave it at that. Its misleading, especially in comparison to websites like Youtube and Newgrounds (Both being websites that host creative content by individuals much in the same way Nexus hosts creative content by internet users.) I'm not trying to go against the grain, its just that if you don't read this forum, if you don't know how you're 'suppose' to rate, than the rating system itself is actively working against modders. Just my two cents, be gentle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayakyrol Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I know I'm about to be publicly lynched... I've been lurking around the TESNexus forums for several years now and I keep seeing this idea reoccur, only rate mods high numbers and only rate mods if you like them. The reasoning is that the rating system should be used to indicate whether or not the mod works as intended. That's silly, why not just allow one person, preferably the first person to download the mod, to check a "works" box and then leave it at that. Its misleading, especially in comparison to websites like Youtube and Newgrounds (Both being websites that host creative content by individuals much in the same way Nexus hosts creative content by internet users.) And you're assuming that the first person who d/ls it will actually check the 'does it work' box? Rate the mod based on the quality of the mod, not whether or not you like it. Just because I dislike X artist or writer or w/e doesn't mean that they are not good. It simply means that "Hey, that's just not my thing." Personally, I hate comic books. I think 99% of the stories are contrived, stupid, repetitive, w/e. But I can admire the artwork and understand what a good comic is and rate it accordingly even though I dislike them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The rating system is explained in the terms and condition that you agree to adhere to when you sign up. In case you forgot, or heaven forbid, neglected to read the rules. here is an excerpt. File and image database commenting terms and conditionsPlease take the time to read and understand the following before commenting on any files or images uploading to this site. Before leaving a comment or rating please be sure you have read and understood our terms and conditions for using the commenting system. We have a strict zero-tolerance policy for the breaking of our terms and people can and will be banned from the site without warning if they ignore them. Remember; ignorance is not an excuse. The commenting and rating system is available on this site to provide users with: * an interface to offer positive feedback on the functionality of the file in question based on the author’s initial intentions * the ability to offer constructive criticism on aspects of the file that could be improved * the chance to ask for feature requests and discuss such requests with other users of the site or the author * the ability to ask for help in troubleshooting problems with the file in question If your comment does not fit in to the above criteria then do not post. If you disagree with the content of a file on the site then do not post. Simply ignore the file or report the file for moderator viewing and move on. If your comment contains text that is likely to personally offend other users of the site either in the language you use or the message of your text then do not post. We take personal attacks very seriously If you believe that someone else’s post does not fit into these criteria then you are encouraged to report the comment in question for moderator review. Above all do not post in reply to the offending comment however good intentioned your post might be, even if you are the author of the file in question. This is known as “feeding the trolls” and “forum vigilantism” and is frowned upon by the moderator staff. You may well end up with a suspension from the site if you partake in this activity. Bben46, Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayakyrol Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 It burns and stings! Damn you yellow text! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurokD Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I know I'm about to be publicly lynched... I've been lurking around the TESNexus forums for several years now and I keep seeing this idea reoccur, only rate mods high numbers and only rate mods if you like them. The reasoning is that the rating system should be used to indicate whether or not the mod works as intended. That's silly, why not just allow one person, preferably the first person to download the mod, to check a "works" box and then leave it at that. Its misleading, especially in comparison to websites like Youtube and Newgrounds (Both being websites that host creative content by individuals much in the same way Nexus hosts creative content by internet users.) And you're assuming that the first person who d/ls it will actually check the 'does it work' box? Rate the mod based on the quality of the mod, not whether or not you like it. Just because I dislike X artist or writer or w/e doesn't mean that they are not good. It simply means that "Hey, that's just not my thing." Personally, I hate comic books. I think 99% of the stories are contrived, stupid, repetitive, w/e. But I can admire the artwork and understand what a good comic is and rate it accordingly even though I dislike them. No, I'm not assuming that. I was being facetious and trying to make a point. I understand the argument, Lord knows I've read it enough times. What I'm saying is that there shouldn't be a rating system at all if subjectivity isn't allowed. I understand excessively negative comments with the underlying intention of being inflammatory aren't permitted and shouldn't be tolerated. But I've seen (As the moderator above pointed out) far to many constructive comments be tagged as 'negative' or 'inflammatory' when it seemed to me to be fairly honest. The subjectivity is only allowed one way, it would seem. Like I've said, I have no intention of going against the grain for the sake of it, I'm only suggesting the complete removal of the rating system altogether if you're not allowed to subjectively rate mods. While I was being facetious early, perhaps I should clarify. Maybe the system ought to be replaced with a check box of "works" and "doesn't work". Closed after an arbitrary amount of "checks", showing a strong indication of whether or not it works as intended. If we want to avoid individual taste from tainting the rating system, I believe the only way to go about that would be to completely revise or dismantle the rating system altogether. Suffice to say, there's plenty of mixed messages between the rules, forums and rating system itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayakyrol Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 While I was being facetious early, perhaps I should clarify. Maybe the system ought to be replaced with a check box of "works" and "doesn't work". Closed after an arbitrary amount of "checks", showing a strong indication of whether or not it works as intended. If we want to avoid individual taste from tainting the rating system, I believe the only way to go about that would be to completely revise or dismantle the rating system altogether. Suffice to say, there's plenty of mixed messages between the rules, forums and rating system itself. Checkbox wouldn't work unless it was something like 1,000 checks for it works or something. I think ratings should either be removed or people should stop complaining. Some loser downrated your stuff, it's not the end of the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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