Random crashing in modded Oblivion - Please help

[yorenforen37]

I modded Oblivion, following the Oblivion Comprehensive Modding Guide by Dispensation reasonably closely. The game keeps crashing seemingly at random, often while running fine for a while. I thought the problem might be related to Oblivion Reloaded, but after trying different versions of Oblivion Reloaded, and with and without ENB, the problem persists.

 

MessageLogger doesn't seem very helpful--every time it crashes this is what the log looks like:

 

2022/12/14 17:38:14 [0041154A] [ DEBUG ] SceneGraph 'World' Created. Camera name 'CreateNewCamera'.

2022/12/14 17:38:14 [0041154A] [ DEBUG ] SceneGraph 'Menu' Created. Camera name 'CreateNewCamera'.

2022/12/14 17:38:14 [0041154A] [ DEBUG ] SceneGraph '3DMenu' Created. Camera name 'CreateNewCamera'.

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -3, -3 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -3, -2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -3, -1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -3, 0 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -3, 1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -3, 2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -2, -3 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -2, -2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -2, -1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -2, 0 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -2, 1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -2, 2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -1, -3 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -1, -2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -1, -1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -1, 0 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -1, 1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for -1, 2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 0, -3 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 0, -2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 0, -1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 0, 0 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 0, 1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 0, 2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 1, -3 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 1, -2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 1, -1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 1, 0 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 1, 1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 1, 2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 2, -3 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 2, -2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 2, -1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 2, 0 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 2, 1 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:38:16 [004EB314] [ DEBUG ] Found terrain LOD file for 2, 2 in worldspace 'Tamriel'

2022/12/14 17:41:48 [004F3313] [ DEBUG ] Expression Error: SYNTAX

My load order is determined by LOOT. Here it is:

0 0 Oblivion.esm

1 1 Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm

2 2 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

3 3 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm

4 4 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

5 5 All Natural Base.esm

6 6 Av Latta Magicka.esm

7 7 Cobl Main.esm

8 8 MigMaster.esm

9 9 Cobl Glue.esp

10 a Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

11 b DLCShiveringIsles.esp

12 c Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

13 d Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp

14 e Cobl Si.esp

Cobl Tweaks - SI.esp

15 f DLCHorseArmor.esp

16 10 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

17 11 DLCOrrery.esp

18 12 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

19 13 DLCVileLair.esp

20 14 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

21 15 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

22 16 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

23 17 DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

24 18 DLCThievesDen.esp

25 19 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

26 1a DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

27 1b DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

28 1c DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

29 1d DLCFrostcrag.esp

30 1e DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

31 1f Knights.esp

32 20 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

33 21 SM Plugin Refurbish Lite.esp

34 22 MigMiscellanea.esp

35 23 Dynamic Map.esp

36 24 Vacuity.esp

37 25 LINK.esp

38 26 Extended UI.esp

39 27 QZ Easy Menus.esp

40 28 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp

Oblivion_Character_Overhaul_Faces.esp

41 29 Ragdolls.esp

EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

OCO uses merged teeth.esp

42 2a VKVII Skin_Khajiit.esp

43 2b VKVII Skin_Argonian.esp

Hidden.esp

44 2c WAC.esp

Fransfemale.esp

45 2d Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Enhanced Vegetation SI.esp

46 2e Enhanced Vegetation.esp

lLet there be Flowers.esp

Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp

Real Lava 1.3.esp

47 2f All Natural - Real Lights.esp

48 30 Better Dungeons.esp

49 31 Better Forts.esp

50 32 WACIntegration.esp

51 33 All Natural.esp

52 34 Oblivion Content Restoration Project.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

WAC - HGEC Equipment Replacer.esp

53 35 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

54 36 All Natural - SI.esp

55 37 Immersive Interiors.esp

Immersive Interiors Cleaned.esp

Av Latta Magicka - Rebalance Complete.esp

Artifacts Redone.esp

56 38 Mage Equipment.esp

OCO Unused Eyes and DLC Eyes Incorporated.esp

OCOv2 - DLC Addon.esp

57 39 Immersive Interiors - Imperial City.esp

58 3a Travelers of Cyrodiil.esp

59 3b RoadLights.esp

60 3c Unique Chapels.esp

61 3d Cliff_BetterLetters.esp

All Natural - Real Lights - candelabra pathgrid fix.esp

62 3e lNorthernLights.esp

63 3f Better Rainbows.esp

64 40 WindowLightingSystem.esp

Weapon Improvement Project.esp

Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp

Book Jackets DLC.esp

Knights - Book Jackets.esp

Book Jackets DLC Misc.esp

65 41 Dynamic Oblivion Combat.esp

VCEClassOverhaul.esp

66 42 VanillaCombatEnhanced.esp

67 43 StarX Vampire Deaths.esp

68 44 AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.esp

69 45 MinimalMagicEffects.esp

70 46 Magic Visuals Overhaul.esp

Magic Visuals Overhaul - OBME Patch.esp

71 47 bgShaderStandAloneEV.esp

72 48 Ultimate Leveling.esp

73 49 PekCOBLBookJackets.esp

RealTeaFilterPatch.esp

74 4a GOSH.esp

GOSH - All Natural Patch.esp

75 4b IsolatedVillage.esp

76 4c NPCsTravel.esp

77 4d DaedraShrinesProddedWithAStick.esp

Improved NPC Faces for OCOv2.esp

NPC Hair Matches Beard.esp

78 4e Alternative Beginnings.esp

79 4f Immersive Interiors - Bravil.esp

Fran's Ore Refiner.esp

80 50 Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp

Immersive Interiors Fixes.esp

81 51 Falling Leaves.esp

82 52 Av Latta Magicka.esp

Cobl Glue - Bravil Barrel Fix.esp

Alt Beg - Better Character Lighting.esp

83 53 kuerteeCrimeHasWitnesses.esp

84 54 Weapons Of Morrowind.esp

85 55 Weapons Of Morrowind - Daedric Crescent.esp

86 56 Unique Artifacts for Unique People.esp

87 57 Scepters for Mages.esp

Mage Equipment addon - alter Fran NPCs.esp

88 58 Consistent Beggar Voices.esp

89 59 Quest Log Manager.esp

90 5a Tavern Goers 2 - Redux.esp

91 5b Tavern Goers 2 - Redux SI.esp

92 5c Very Horny Knights.esp

Oblivion Content Restoration Project -- Knights.esp

93 5d Even Oddities.esp

NPCsTravel - TtV patch.esp

Imperial Classes for Travelers Of Cyrodiil.esp

TravelersOfCyrodiilPatch.esp

94 5e Shivering Isles Travelers.esp

95 5f Conjurer Wardrobe.esp

Unused Magic Items Integrated.esp

96 60 Countess.esp

ExpandedGreetings.esp

97 61 Temple District Repaired.esp

98 62 Knightly Orders for Cities.esp

99 63 QuestsMakeFriends.esp

GoblinTribesFixed.esp

100 64 Legion Forester Outposts.esp

101 65 County Gates.esp

102 66 Map Marker Overhaul.esp

Unique Chapels UOP patch.esp

103 67 Knights - Cobl.esp

104 68 lVWD for Leyawiin.esp

105 69 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp

106 6a KOTNPokedWithAStick.esp

107 6b Faction Followers.esp

108 6c PTRoamingNPCs.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

109 6d OBLOD.esp

Bruma Frostcrag Spire LOD.esp

110 6e SB_WeaponDropFix.esp

LFO - All Races Addon.esp

LFO OCO New Eyes.esp

Item interchange - Extraction.esp

Item interchange - Placement.esp

Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp

Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp

SafeCloningFunction - Filter.esp

OCOv2 - Filter Patch for Mods.esp

All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp

Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp

111 6f Bashed Patch, 0.esp

112 70 Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp

113 71 OCOv2 - MOO Patch.esp

114 72 WorldMapsForAllWorldspaces.esp

I've tried to clean what was said to need cleaning, however there are some indications for need of further cleaning on some things, although I'm not sure how to go about the needed manual cleaning--here are those instances:

# VCEClassOverhaul.esp

## Messages

- Note: This plugin is optional.

- Warning: This plugin contains [wild edits](https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/7-mod-cleaning-and-error-checking.html#WildEdits) and may require additional manual cleaning to not interfere with other mods. Unnecessarily renames records, use the TES4Edit script **Restore record names from master** to fix them.

# Fran's Ore Refiner.esp

- Attributes: Dirty

## Messages

- Warning: [TES4Edit v4.0.4b](https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/11536) found 1 ITM record. A guide to cleaning plugins using xEdit can be found [here](https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/7-mod-cleaning-and-error-checking.html#ThreeEasyStepstocleanMods).

# PTRoamingNPCs.esp

## Messages

- Warning: This plugin contains [wild edits](https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/7-mod-cleaning-and-error-checking.html#WildEdits) and may require additional manual cleaning to not interfere with other mods. Remove **Worldspace Block -1, 1** from **PTRoamingNPCs.esp**.

# Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

## Messages

- Warning: This plugin contains [wild edits](https://tes5edit.github.io/docs/7-mod-cleaning-and-error-checking.html#WildEdits) and may require additional manual cleaning to not interfere with other mods. Remove the **Worldspace group** from **Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp**.

Would really appreciate any help.

[Oblivionaddicted]

You can remove the ITM's very easily using TES4Edit; right on the mod -> apply filter -> make sure the Conflict status inhereted by parent box is the only to be ticked -> Filter ->right-click again on the mod -> Remove "Identical to Master" records

 

You can remove the wild edits very easily as well, just select the faulty element -> right-click -> remove

 

What do you use to sort your load order?

[yorenforen37]

You can remove the ITM's very easily using TES4Edit; right on the mod -> apply filter -> make sure the Conflict status inhereted by parent box is the only to be ticked -> Filter ->right-click again on the mod -> Remove "Identical to Master" records

 

You can remove the wild edits very easily as well, just select the faulty element -> right-click -> remove

 

What do you use to sort your load order?

 

I use LOOT to sort it.