dragonpen61 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Have changed my old stance and now do support the legalisation of now illegal drugs but with the development of new laws to counter their misuse and to regulate their healthiness. The trouble with illegal drugs is often what they are cut with. I have heard of the apalling incident in which heroin powder was cut with dried battery acid. Legailisation means greater control. Illegality means corruption, massive profits to organised crime, a massive amount of money spent on law enforcements efforts that seem to be futile, rampant crime by addicts and other damages to society. One fear I do have about legalisation is that big corporations will soon be selling mass produced brands, heavily advertised of course, and that governments will heavily tax these items as they tax tobacco and alcohol in many countries.On the other hand the price will probably not come close to that of illegally sold drugs of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vagitoe Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 If drugs were legal, then all of the people stupid enough to OD wouldn't try to ride it out by themselves and would get medical attension. I wonder how many people who died from an overdose would have lived if they weren't afraid of being arrested after they were treated at the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonkr Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 NO!!!Imagin: America and everyone smokes weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr2011 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 @Anton: wow, that post was really coherant with the conversation... Presently the illegalization of Marijuana (among cocaine, heroine etc.) has lead to a MASSIVE drug war in Mexico (although who knows how long it went on before the media got wind of it and hyped the living hell out of it), lives are lost daily, heck, here in America lives are lost DAILY because of drug wars, gang fights over said drugs, curropt and frankly, substandard products which can be FAR more deadly than pure products and so on and so forth. If the government legalizes drugs there will be a HUGE decline in organized crime. The illegalization of drugs is about as effective as prohibition, maybe not THAT bad but it's still horrible. If the MAN legalizes drugs products won't be curropt, prices will go down, treatment would be far more accessible (and as stated by vagitoe, won't friek people out that if they go get medical help they'll get arrested), and perhaps help the U.S. get up on its feet again from the economic crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepblue686 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 There should be a license for buying and possessing drugs for non-medicinal usage at the very least.Then when you overdose or whatever, the only one who gets the blame is yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khornedeadra Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 we should in no way legalize drugs. you really think people are going to be responsible enough to use drugs in moderation? no were gonna have a large amount of junkies who do not do ANYTHING with there lives but think that everyone owes them something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSozeJr Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 To dragonpen61Have changed my old stance and now do support the legalisation of now illegal drugs but with the development of new laws to counter their misuse and to regulate their healthiness. The argument that there should be regulations to govern the "healthiness" of illegal drugs will create the same problem as criminalization. As an addicts tolerance to the effects of the narcotic increases so will the need for more drug. At some point the addict will use more than is "healthy." Sorry, pal but your ration of heroin for the month has been used up. The addict will have to seek relief of the withdrawl from the black market. This would not be government sanctioned and therefore criminal. Now your back to square one. How would you regulated the most devastating drug on the market today, alcohol. It simply is not feasible. To anyone who thinks that marijuana isn't addictive -- you are wrong. Ten percent of users are addicted and must have there fix everyday. This is according to the NIH. If narcotics and schedule 1 drugs are to be decriminalized then they should remained unregulated. This would sure clean out our prisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I'm pretty sure the only drug that people are really talking about making legal here is Marijuana. Every other drug comes with far too many chemical dependencies, and side effects. As for other drugs, the closest thing they should get to legalization is allowing those who have become addicted to seek help without facing legal issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milogrim Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 To the op, many people like you have seen the obvious irony of the war on drugs. It seems to defy logic that pot for example could be illegal but beer is not. What you arent realizing is that it isnt a question of logic but a question of ethics and morality, and logic holds no weight in such disputes. Drugs are sinful that is why they are illegal, just like pornography or being homosexual at one time was illegal. Today it seems strange that something like oral sex could be against a law but it is in some states. There isnt any true logic that prove that these laws are protecting our society but it doesnt stop the advocates from trying. These dogmatic traditions are found all around you and our rooted in many aspects of our lives not the least of which is our laws. I'm afraid the only cure for this is lots and lots of time, think baby steps. Oh and HAPPY B-DAY USA!! Whether you live here or not, love us or hate us, for better or worst you have to admit we have our moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 ... a question of ethics and morality... Drugs are sinful that is why they are illegal...Hate to break it to you, but drugs were legal until minorities (mostly african-american) started using them in large quantities. The sad truth is that much of the "wrongness" of drugs is based on age old racism and prejudice. This is not to say that using them is a healthy or wise idea, but that initially, more concern was given toward who was using drugs, and not about what sort of impairments or outright problems might result from usage. Even today there is a rather large double standard in regard to who goes to jail, and who goes to rehab, just from possessing. It's not a question of ethics nor morality, but politics and the ideals that people claim are ethical or moral. The only place where logic is an issue is in regard to the real health issues which result from usage or overusage of illegal drugs. Although alcohol in large quantities can be destructive, it is nowhere near as physically or mentally damaging as using cocaine, PCP, heroin, and similar "hard" drugs. You're right, making a stance on logic doesn't work for marijuana, which is why the movement to legalize it has had any success. This is also why anyone trying to make a case for why it should not be legalized tends to have a rather hard time sticking to the issue. There have been a few sessions on cspan on the subject, they're rather entertaining to watch as people try to sidestep the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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