FO3 crashing on start up

[ChalkLine]

I've looked around and can't find any sticky for the usual whine of 'please look at my load order!' I've gone over the mods list one by one and it seems to be MMM-FEV and FWE causing crashes as the startup reaches the loadscreens, it CTDs before I get a mouse pointer.

 

I've read the helpful tute, you'll notice it's almost entirely mods they recommend, but the load order there causes the same thing. This load order is from FOMS but still no bananas.

 

I'm using the latest FOMM, FOSE and FOMS

 

Here's the Load Order;

 

Fallout3.esm

CALIBR.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

FOOK.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

FakePatch_v1.5.0.22c.ESM

BrokenSteel.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp

StripClub.esp

CALIBRxMerchant.esp

FOOK.esp

FOOK - Reduced Armor Boni.esp

FOOK - Owned!.esp

FOOK - Test Container.esp

FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp

FOOK - Anchorage.esp

FOOK - The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

VATSFixOff.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp

FOOK - Anchorage hotfix.esp

FOOK - No Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

FollowersRelax.esp

Vanity Camera Mod.esp

No_Companion_Karma_Checks_v1_a.esp

Gotcha's Megaton House Storage.esp

Gotcha's Megaton House Roof.esp

RentableLodging.esp

vault92 fix.esp

NoTheftComments.esp

BigTownRobotFix.esp

MissingUniqueArmorClothing-Base.esp

Megaton House Remix.esp

Megaton House Remix Secretary.esp

Goalie Ledoux's Head Wrap.esp

Action Boy Armor.esp

RailwayNoChooChoo(RockIt).esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Broken Steel.esp

WMKAA12Shotgun - FOOK.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

 

Total active plugins: 45

Total plugins: 82

[TGBlank]

http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?s=&amp...t&p=1047893

 

Second post.

 

Do not use FOMS.

[ChalkLine]

Thanks, I'll use that right away.

 

I did follow the stickied guide, but still got the crash, I was wondering if there's anything in there that might be conflicting more than anything else.

[TGBlank]

Crash at start means something is missing it's master, or it's loading before one of its masters, fomm can tell you what masters does a mod have. More than likely, it's because you're loading FWE compatibility plugins and you don't have FWE itself.

 

Apart from that, your load order sucks horribly and goes against more than half of the readmes of the files you're loading.

[ChalkLine]

Yep, I should have done the earlier LO I had and not trusted FOME I guess.

 

Still, when I have this:

 

Fallout3.esm

[x] FakePatch_v1.5.0.22c.ESM

[x] BrokenSteel.esm

[x] ThePitt.esm

[x] Anchorage.esm

[x] CALIBR.esm

[x] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

[x] FOOK.esm

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

 

[x] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp

[x] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp

[x] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp

[x] Goalie Ledoux's Head Wrap.esp

[x] MissingUniqueArmorClothing-Base.esp

[x] Action Boy Armor.esp

[x] CALIBRxMerchant.esp

[x] Classic Fallout Weapons BETA.esp

[x] RailwayNoChooChoo(RockIt).esp

[x] FOOK.esp

[x] FOOK - Reduced Armor Boni.esp

[x] FOOK - Owned!.esp

[x] FOOK - Test Container.esp

[x] FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp

[x] FOOK - Anchorage.esp

[x] FOOK - The Pitt.esp

[x] FOOK - Anchorage hotfix.esp

[x] FOOK - No Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp

[x] VATSFixOff.esp

[x] FWE Compatibility - FOOK.esp

[x] WeaponModKits.esp

[x] WeaponModKits - FOOK + FWE.esp

[x] WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

[x] WMKAA12Shotgun.esp

[x] WMKAA12Shotgun - FOOK.esp

[x] No_Companion_Karma_Checks_v1_a.esp

[x] FollowersRelax.esp

[x] Gotcha's Megaton House Storage.esp

[x] Gotcha's Megaton House Roof.esp

[x] RentableLodging.esp

[x] Megaton House Remix.esp

[x] Megaton House Remix Secretary.esp

[x] StripClub.esp

[x] Vanity Camera Mod.esp

[x] vault92 fix.esp

[x] NoTheftComments.esp

[x] BigTownRobotFix.esp

[x] Sun_Electrical_Control_Station.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK + FWE.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE (Primary Needs).esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - Broken Steel.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

[x] Mart's Mutant Mod - FEV.esp

 

Total active plugins: 55

Total plugins: 83

 

It still is unhappy.

I'm using the first patch.

 

Is this because I have conflicting patches happening?

I'll just read through the readmes again, but I keep wondering if they're current. Probably a stupid worry.

[ChalkLine]

I've deactivated FWE and the game works well now from a new start, but crashes on a save (which was in The Pitt, but it was crashing there anyway)

 

I'll have to try and see what is wrong with FWE, but I can't see why it would cause crashes.

[TGBlank]

Not too long ago, FWE changed from a multiple esp + 1 esm mode to one esm mode (or esm + esp? can't recall). You're probably mixing compatibility patches for the previous mode with the ones for the new one.

[ChalkLine]

Looking at it in FOMM and in the Data folder gets you two different answers.

 

In FOMM the file 'FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File' is an .esm, but in the Data folder it comes up as an .esp. Strange.

 

I'm downloading v5, the old format.

 

Thanks for all the help, this has had me pulling hair out.