ArthurNOnymous Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to put this, but here goes. Basically what the title says (see also the attached screenshots). Large amounts of water (the kind you swim in) are simply not present in my gameworld, and I don't know why, or how to fix it (if fixing it is even possible). The strangest part for me is the lack of consistency in it- there are places where the water is present, no problem, like the lake near Covenant with the crashed Vertibird, or on one side of the locks between Forest Grove Marsh and Oberland Station. But most of the rest - to include the entirety of Boston Harbor- is simply gone. I started a new save earlier today to check, and yes, same issue. This isn't gamebreaking- or, at least, not yet- due to being able to walk across the seafloor. But it is distracting and worrying (what else might be broken?), and I would very much like to have this issue resolved sooner than later. My load order is as follows: Fallout4.esm DLCRobot.esm DLCworkshop01.esm DLCCoast.esm DLCworkshop02.esm DLCworkshop03.esm DLCNukaWorld.esm Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esm ArmorKeywords.esm HUDFramework.esm WorkshopFramework.esm TrueStormsFO4.esm SS2.esm SS2_XPAC_Chapter2.esm SS2_XPAC_Chapter3.esm SSTMinutmanWatchtowers.esl Munitions - An Ammo Expansion.esl Munitions - Vanilla Ammo Addon.esl LIF.esl PMWorkshopPack/esl RealReadableBooks.esl QuestBoard.esl TheBigHunt.esl BigHuntGoodneighbor.esl BigHuntBunkerHill.esl CWOutfitPackPart2.esl Skb_MachinegunsRebirth.esl Skb-MinigunsRebirth.esl SelectRevolver.esl ClassicUnarmedPack.esl AutoAxe.esl Hellfirenew.esl GKX Get Medieval.esl CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl DiamondCityBillboards.esp PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp DarkerNights.esp DarkerNightsDetection.esp TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp 3DNPC_FO4.esp SS2Extended.esp PLI_USAF_Satellite_Station_Olivia.esp FOLON-StandaloneReleaser.esp DP_CaravanShotgun.esp 127mmSMG.esp CazadorML.esp ABundleofTape.esp A Bundle of Tape - Unofficial Update.sep WCLI_RockIslandLighthouse.esp PLIUSAFSSO_SS2CH3_Patch.esp AcessibleBridges.esp WattzLaserGun.esp Wattz Laser Gun - Unofficial Update.esp ImmersiveDrumlinDiner.esp WCLI_NahantRedRocket.esp 3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp WCLI_North_Point_Park.esp WZWildWasteland.esp SS2-Jampads.esp SS2-PraRandomAddon.esp Simplified Sorting.esp W.A.T.Minutemen.esp ODW - Winchester Model 1873.esp 9mmPistol.esp 9mm Pistol - Unofficial Update.esp DCGuard_Overhaul.esp VUWR.esp PLI_Dark_Hollow_Pond.esp PLI_Unmarked_Raider_Camps_P1.esp Flashy_CrimeAndPunishment_GunForHire_Addon.esp Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp MilitarizedMinutemen.esp Mk41GyrojetHMG.esp GoodneighborView.esp SS2_FDK_TinyLiving.esp WCLINPP_AB_Patch.esp Liberator.esp PLI_HarbormasterHotel.esp PLI_Unmarked_Raider_Camps_P2.esp CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp WCLIRIL_Previs.esp ChinaLakeandHolorifle.esp Full Artillery System Overhaul.esp F4NV-AMR.esp LeeEnfieldNo4MkI.esp Lee Enfield - Munitions Patch.esp MREs.esp Scroungers Weekly.esp F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp Service Rifle - Unofficial Update.esp LAER.esp FS_FarHarborBoatFastTravel.esp Miniguns Rebirth ESL - Munitions Patch.esp SS2_GunForHire_Patch.esp SS2WastelandVenturers.esp WCLINRR_3DNPC_Patch.esp llamaCompanionHeatherv2.esp M60-M60E3.esp Miami Misadventures EP1.esp HandmadeSMG.esp HandmadeLeverActionSG.esp M2045MagnumRevolverRifle.esp WCLINPP_Previs.esp Sandbag Fortifications - Version 2C.esp Binoculars.esp Binoculare_FireSupport.esp CavesOfTheCommonwealth.esp ss2c23dnpcpatch.esp StealthSuitDrk.esp ElMudoStore.esp RB_ProtonAxe.esp RocketPunch.esp WinCowboyRepeater.esp DOOMPumpShotgun.esp WestTek.esp DPSR_WTOptics_Patch.esp Service Rifle - West-Tek Optics Compatibility Patch.esp ASAM Maul.esp EHC_FastTravelFix.esp HuntingRevolver.esp AtomicRadio.esp SelectShotgun.esp HK_MP5.esp OWR.esp OWR2.esp Sit Or Save (Or Sleep).esp DV-Very Durable Vertibirds.esp DV-Armored Pilots.esp DV-No Levelled Vertibirds.esp FASO_DLC05_module.esp 155mm Howitzer M1.esp FASO_M155Patch.esp Artillerylightfix.esp SleepOrSave.esp WastelandGardening.esp WastelandGardeningUninstaller.esp StashAndCoFix.esp MerchantOfDrethFix.esp CovertSidearmVVSounds.esp FS_NukaWorldTramFastTravel.esp ohSIM_Sim2_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp 20gaugequadbarrel.esp Munitions Manufacturing.esp SettlementMenuManager.esp FLT_Munitions_SettlementObjects.esp Radium Rifle Improvements.esp GreaseGunSMG.esp SigSauer127.esp 12.7mm Pistol - Unofficial Update.esp SS2_STRA_Buildings_and_Skins.esp JunkTownTwo.esp SS2_Addon_FHE.esp Caravan Shotgun - Unofficial Update.esp GreaseGun_munitions.esp MagnunRev_munitions.esp SelectShotgun_munitions.esp Winchester1873_munitions.esp Chinalake_Munitions.esp FOLON Standalone Releaser - Munitions Patch.esp FOLStandalone_Munitions.esp M60_Munitions.esp MP5_Complex_Munitions_Patch.esp Mk41_Munitions.esp SelectRevolver_Munitions.esp 12.7mm SMG - Munitions Patch.esp Cowboy Repeater - Munitions Patch.esp Handmade Lever Action Shotgun - Munitions Patch.esp Machineguns Rebirth - Munitions Patch.esp Winchester Model 1873 - Munitions Patch.esp 3dscopes-f4nvamr.esp F4CW10mmSMG.esp SS2_BluesMinutemenFlagPack.esp HighlightConsoleReference.esp MGRemesh.esp WD_44.esp SS2_Addon_R2R.esp DaksCombatRifle.esp ValentineCases.esp BasementLiving.esp 1FOM_FireAxe.esp BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp F4NVServiceRifleRedux_AWKCR.esp FO4Hotkeys.esp MilitarizedMinutemen_PatchesAddon.esp WestTekTacticalOptics.esp Better LOD.esp Nuka-Cola Flavors for the Commonwealth.esp RBValentineJawSync.esp spacefiddle_Perforation_BetterAutomaticWeapons.esp Scopes.esp OWR_CratfableDecor.esp OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp Better_Notes.esp Publick Occurrences Expanded.esp SimSettlements2_AddOnPack_ApocalypticAdditions_SirLach.esp WATMM-MM-MMUPAIA_CustomPatch.esp K9TacticalHarness.esp LongerPowerLines3x.esp DD_All_the_COncrete.esp Fastball.esp Less Annoying Berry Mentats.esp EveryonesBestFriend.esp NoRailRoadBallisticWeaveCPL.esp CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp PowerArmorStorageSystem.esp AmmoCrafting.esp TheMobileMechanic.esp CompactCrafting.esp RemoteExplosives.esp ruined_handmadeturrets.esp OWR2_CraftableDecor.esp OWR2CraftableDecor_CW.esp spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp Wallmageddon.esp AVBMusket.esp Campsite.esp Zanthir_MinigunReplacer.esp ImmersiveAnimationFramewrok.esp IAF - Far Harbor & Nuka World.esp SS2CaravanSnatex.esp 3dscopes-gyrojet.esp 3dscopes-holorifle.esp 3dscopes-huntignrevolver.esp 3dscopes-laer.esp 3dscopes-leeenfield.esp 3dscopes.esp 3dscopes-servicerifle.esp 3dscopes-wattz.esop Assault Rifle Reanimated.esp SS2_ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp SS2WastelandReconstructionKit.esp WorkshopPlus.esp Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp WCLI_NatickSubstation.esp I am using Vortex as my mod manager. As this has not happened in any previous save, I suspect the culprit is one of the mods I installed or updated most recently- either before starting my current save or afterwards. They are as follows (Note- the order shown is their order in my download history) Leveled Item Fixes (LIF) A Bundle of Tape - A weapons pack Munitions- Ammo Expansion Pack Munitions - Official Patch Repository Reaper's Munitions Patches Zodicab's Munitions and MAA Patches Caravan Shotgun - Unofficial Update Ithaca Model 37 - Pump Shotgun REBORN and Diacuted Service Rifle West-Tek Optics Patch Service Rifle - Unofficial Update A Bundle of Tape - Unofficial Update 9mm Pistol (Browning Hi-Power) - Unofficial Update 12.7mm Pistol ( Sig Sauer P127) - Unofficial Update Radium Rifle Improvements Wattz Laser Gun - Unofficial Update Munitions - Settlement Supplies Munitions Manufacturing Margot's Munitions (And MAA) Patch Repository Assault Rifle Reanimated (downloaded update) Flashy(JoeR) - Gun For Hire - Commonwealth Mercenary Jobs (downloaded update) Sim Settlements 2 - Ruined Homes and Gardens 2.0 (downloaded update) Wastelands Venturers Sim Settlements 2 Addon Pack ( downloaded update) Sim Settlements 2 Scrappers (downloaded update) Sim Settlements 2 Wasteland Reconstruction Kit (downloaded update) We Can Live In - Natick Substation (downloaded update) Jampads 2 - a Sim Settlements 2 Add-on (downloaded update) Sim Settlements 2 - Pra's Random Addon 2 (downloaded update) Far Harbor Boat Fast Travel Nuka-World Monorail Fast Travel Workshop Framework (downloaded update) Workshop Plus (downloaded update) Caves of the Commonwealth Another Deliverer Reanimation People Live In - Unmarked Raider Camps Pack 2 Merchant of Dreth Dialogue Fix Stash and Company Dialogue Fix Electrical Hobbyist's Club Fast Travel Fix Accessible Bridges Diamond City Billboards Goodneighbor View We Can Live In - Nahant Red Rocket People Live In - Harbormaster Hotel Clean And Simple Nuka World Bottle Fix Wasteland Gardening We Can Live In - North Point Park People Live In - Unmarked Raider Camps Pack 1 We Can Live In - Rock Island Lighthouse People Live In - Dark Hollow Pond People Live In - USAF Satellite Station Olivia Sleep Or Save RobCo Patcher Sit Or Save (Or Sleep) Sim Settlements 2 - Chapter 3 The following were downloaded after starting my current save (same Note as above): True Storms - Wasteland Edition ( Thunder-Rain-Weather Redone) Darker Nights True Storms - MCM Settings Menu with Hotkeys 155mm Howitzer M1 Artillery explosions are less bright Full Artillery System Overhaul PreWar Binoculars - Call in Fire Support addon Durable Vertibirds Sim Settlements 2 (downloaded update) Sim Settlements 2 - Chapter 2 (downloaded update) Sandbag Fortifications Sim Settlements 2 - Chapter 3 (downloaded update) Any form of assistance in dealing with this issue would be appreciated, as I am (to unfortunately pun) entirely out of my depth here. I have played with mods for years, and had my fair share of issues with them, but this is something else. Especially for someone who knows nothing about making, fixing or otherwise working on the internals of mods. Again, any assistance would be appreciated. Edit (05/07-2024): I have, after playing other games for several months, finally had a serious look at this. Finding the cause took about twenty minutes, which is kind of embarrassing. It was Sit Or Save (Or Sleep), of all things- a , and I'm quoting the mod's page here, 'dirty edit to water levels' was the culprit. Why -precisely- those would have, could have, been necessary, I do not know. But it isn't a huge loss- with how unstable this latest update is, I doubt I'll be playing Survival mode any time soon. Edited May 7 by ArthurNOnymous A solution has been found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Wow. Sorry I cant help you. But that is super interesting. best of luck maybe somoene more knowledgable than me will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoNin1971 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Maybe darker nights? At least I think it was, when my game started glitching while under water. But not 100% sure. (could have been the combo with the ENB i'm using) Giving the far underwater sights you have in your screenshots. Although the 'surface' was intact, so not entirely the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurNOnymous Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 6 hours ago, RoNin1971 said: Maybe darker nights? At least I think it was, when my game started glitching while under water. But not 100% sure. (could have been the combo with the ENB i'm using) Giving the far underwater sights you have in your screenshots. Although the 'surface' was intact, so not entirely the same. It isn't invisible, it isn't there. I could stand on the bottom of the river and look up at the boats and detritus floating mid-air. I will try removing Darker Nights, though- not like it could hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Have you considered uninstalling/resinstalling your game? Your savegames will remain (I have dont this process quite a few time to chase down glitches) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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