363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I dont use PRP which I unterstand can contribute to issues like this. The other big culprits such Diamond City mods like Diamond city expanded I do not use. I do have Diamond City plus but its usually much less buggy (EDIT: and in any event not even enabled right now) I do have "scrap everything " active, which is of course one of the usual suspects as well, except i have used on on many problem free playthroughs. Am not real good at changing load orders (even if I knew that was the problem and which is was). I am running Atomic World 2.0 which changes locations but usually adds to them and not subtracts and I have used atomic world for years w/o ill effects. Except in glowing sea I often get items flickering out of existence, not sure if there is a conflict between Atomic world and South of the Sea- Atoms Storm, but the Atomic world author had Atomic Storm installed when he made the mod. I am already lel 8 and have been trouble shooting my mods lists with multiple game starts in past 4 days and am getting tired of starting over. However I would and without "Scrap everything " if I could be reasonably sure that would fix the problem. Any sage advice ? I could post up my mods list This is my load order ( my more salacious mods are censored with xxxx. they are mostly animations, looksmenu mods and clothing items) Fallout4.esm DLCRobot.esm DLCworkshop01.esm DLCCoast.esm DLCworkshop02.esm DLCworkshop03.esm DLCNukaWorld.esm Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp ArmorKeywords.esm XDI.esm HUDFramework.esm WorkshopFramework.esm AAF.esm AAFThemes.esl CleanMySettlement.esm Dank_MinesBeGone.esl RepopulateSalem.esl TheRooftops.esm TheFarmlands.esm Far Harbor Music for Coastal Settlements - All in one.esl TheWilderness.esm CastleSpectacleFerry.esl TheMarshland.esm Far Harbor Music for Spectacle Island.esl VCM_LibrarySupportPlugin_F-ESL.esl Far Harbor Music for Salem.esl TheMoleratTunnels.esm ProjectMojave.esm Cottage - Soldiers Field Road.esl Far Harbor Music for Coastal Cottage.esl Far Harbor Music for Kingsport Lighthouse.esl Far Harbor Music for Croup Manor.esl Far Harbor Music for Warwick Homestead.esl BuildableCabins.esl CUPAPP.esm CityAmbience.esl Couchescountasbeds.esl lnl_settlement_craftable_trees.esl SettlerSpawner.esl SettlerF.esl SettlerM.esl DC Guard Variations.esl RecruitMac.esl Far Harbor Music for Nordhagen Beach.esl SelectPowerArmor.esl SelectAssaultRifle.esl Showers.esl JJB-RALING-STANDS.esl MorePrefabs.esl TortureDevices.esm Devious Devices.esm HiPolyFacesCompanionPlugin.esl Homemaker.esm xxxx.esm xxxxxOverlays.esl xxxxxOverlays.esl Minigun Mashup.esl PreWar_Rabbit_Replacer.esl PowerArmorNightVision.esl ChCl.esl RecruitRESettlers.esl RRPW.esl SettlementKeywords.esm EthreonMasterPlan.esm Slower Leveling - Half Speed.esl StimpakCompanions.esl Damage Threshold.esm UsefulDecoBuildings.esl Virgil's Courser Chip Decoder.esl vaultbox.esl CBBE.esp Brawl Bug Fix.esp PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp 512StandaloneHairColors.esp xxxxxx_Animations.esp SubwayRunnerRevised.esp MSTP_MassachusettsProject.esm_6322.esp 200-Far-Harbor-Customs.esp PlayerComments.esp xxxxxxx.esp BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp A Forest.esp ASEFarHarbor.esp Armorsmith Extended.esp clothingoverhaul.esp DoYourDamnJobCodsworth.esp Hunkered Down.esp SpectacleIsland_DCnR_F-ESL.esp GunnersOverhaul.esp Firelance2.5.esp BetterXandersAidNavmesh.esp ProjectMojaveRevitalization.esp 3DNPC_FO4.esp Shadow Wastelands Rail Road Settlements.esp Cov-TBH-DCnR_F-ESL.esp EchoLakeLumber_DCnR_F-ESL.esp Immersive_Lexington.esp TheCastle_DC_F-ESL.esp Graygarden_DCnR_F-ESL.esp Commonwealth Underground and Forgotten Spaces2.0.esp RedRocket_DC_F-ESL.esp Red_Rocket_Cleanup.esp EgretTours_DCnR_F-ESL.esp Nowhere.esp WarwickHomestead_DC_F-ESL.esp TheSlog_DC_F-ESL.esp MojaveImports.esp JamaicaPlains_DCnR_F-ESL.esp Some Trees.esp CroupManor_DCnR_F-ESL.esp NationalParkVC_DCnR_F-ESL.esp NationalParkMainBuildingRebuilt.esp RubysSancRRWall.esp CastleWallsRepaired 3.esp Cleaner Far Harbor Environment Indoor and Outdoor.esp SSTFungalForest.esp GreentopNursery_DCnr_F-ESL.esp AbernathyFarm_DC_F-ESL.esp SalemEXPANDED.esp KingsportLighthouse_DCnR_F-ESL.esp CoastalCottage_DCnR_F-ESL.esp LoneWolf.esp Yagisan_SSSL_Lakeside_Cabin_Settlement.esp Mod01Vault201.esp Atomic World.esp Immersive Nahant.esp biggergoodneighbor.esp DaltonFarm_DCnR_F-ESL.esp HangmansAlley_DC_F-ESL.esp NordhagenBeach_DC_F-ESL.esp SomervillePlace_DCnR_F-ESL.esp SettlementDaltonFarm.esp Generalofthearmy.esp Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp AccessibleBridges.esp CountyCrossing_DCnR_F-ESL.esp LongfellowsCabin_DCnR_F-ESL.esp MurkwaterConstruction_DCnR_F-ESL.esp spectaclesurprise-01.esp BetterFarHarbor_Open.esp 3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp FinchFarm_DC_F-ESL.esp Jamaica Simple.esp FarHarborPlantsInCommonwealth.esp W.A.T.Minutemen.esp NukaWorldRedRocket_DC_F-ESL.esp xxxxAnimation.esp xxxx.esp xxxx.esp AttackSpawnsOutsideSettlement.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp Minutemenoverhaul.esp DropQuestItems.esp Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp Ceft_Main.esp a123 Living Sunshine Tindings.esp Unused Map Markers - Cut Content Restored.esp CheatTerminal.esp a123 Living Finch Farm.esp a123 Living Oberland Station.esp a123 Living Somerville Place.esp Buffed Minutemen.esp a123 Living Marina Egret Tour.esp 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp FunctionalDisplays.esp FunctionalDisplays-MISC-Vanilla.esp RealHandcuffs.esp OberlandStation_DCnR_F-ESL.esp FO4E - NPCs - notlight.esp DiamondCityMoreSecurity.esp CutContentNPCsAiO.esp a123 Living Starlight Drive in.esp a123 Living Abernathy Farm.esp Concord Revised.esp Genesis.esp RL_Recruit_Framework.esp RecruitableScavengers.esp a123 Living NordHagen Beach.esp FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.esp xxxxx.esp ANiceOakTree Hairs.esp MiscHairstyle.esp VaultTecStory.esp a123 Living The Slog.esp companion_charlotte_eslified.esp cambridgefacility.esp a123 Living County Crossing.esp a123 Living Tenpines Bluff.esp Landwer_Interiors_Project.esp a123 Living Graygarden.esp PipPOD.esp SkyrimConversions.esp BTB - Worldspace Data Override.esp AQUILA.esp ASA.esp Alex_Stripper_Pole_2.esp Animated_GNN_Fountain.esp personal paintings.esp MODGirlyAnimation.esp AR_to_HandMade.esp xxxxanimationt.esp AtomicRadio.esp ComRif308Auto.esp AWKCR - Mod Power Armor Engine Glitch Fix.esp ClothingOverhaulSP_XB1_PC.esp FunctionalDisplays-AID-WI.esp FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL.esp PD_LowerWeapon.esp Avatar GAU-90 Autocannon.esp SF Beards N Staches.esp BetterSettlers.esp AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp GenderRatios.esp BetterSettlersMostlyMale.esp BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp Better_Notes.esp BradbertonInteriors.esp xxxxx.esp xxxxx.esp CMRQL.esp tread-cupappfix.esp R97R Camo Power Armor Skins.esp xxxxTattoos.esp Ciri.18B5F4.18B5F4.18B5F4.esp Ellie.23134B.esp Ghost.231346.231346.esp Heather.18B5F3.18B5F3.18B5F3.esp Jodelle.23134A.esp Krisa.esp KSHairdos.esp Lexxa.225B67.225B67.225B67.225B67.esp Lima.225B6A.225B6A.225B6A.225B6A.esp Lin.231349.231349.esp Lora.18B5F7.esp Roxy.225B68.225B68.225B68.225B68.225B68.225B68.esp Triss.23134C.23134C.23134C.23134C.esp With.225B69.esp Yennefer.18B5F6.esp cute.231348.231348.esp Commonwealth Captives.esp Vivid Fallout - LOD.esp DLC Timing.esp DD_All_the_COncrete.esp Aigni_UltraWide.esp FO4HHS_AAF.esp Animationsxxx.esp xxxxxx.esp FactionMaintenance.esp Lazman_dress_mod.esp HHFootsteps.esp HN66Fo4_EasyGirl_BS.esp HiPolyFaces.esp Paintings Straight.esp Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp Lazmans_highheels_outfits.esp PA Stagger Immune.esp Move Store and Assign Power Armor.esp JetpackIronMan.esp JetpackUpgraded.esp LevelCap.esp LegendaryModification.esp LegendaryModificationMisc.esp Locksmith.esp LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp NAC.esp LongerHeadlampLight.esp LooksMenu.esp LushAmbienceFarHarbor.esp MMP4APA-blue.esp mailbox.esp KSHairdos_oel.esp Minigun Buff.esp MinutemenSentinel - UFO4P Patch.esp More Durable Power Armor - 75%.esp NACskintonefix.esp NAC-RemoveMenuItem.esp NAC-FH.esp NAC-NW.esp NPC Can Heal.esp NoAffinityCooldown.esp NPC Accuracy Revised.esp NewShacksBGD00.esp NPCs Use Items.esp No Aggro Impact Landing.esp Operator Edits - No Crafting XP.esp NoSettlementAttackBox.esp NoLimitsJetpack.esp PA increases your speed.esp PeacefulScavengers1.1.esp MPO scriptaddon TTW.esp MPO scriptaddon AllDLC.esp MPO scriptaddon OWB.esp MPO scriptaddon HH.esp MPO scriptaddon DM.esp MPO scriptaddon Base.esp MPO scriptaddon Tryout.esp Maternity Pack Overkill TTW32addon.esp RemoveWorkstationNeeds.esp xxxxx.esp xxxxxesp PinUpRedLipstick.esp PiperFaceFix.esp xxxxs.esp PowerArmorNightVisionFarHarborPatch.esp Publick Occurrences Expanded.esp Quick Start Settlement Gizmo.esp RB_AehersinEyes.esp RealHandcuffs_DD_Compatibility.esp RohZima_RealAnimatedPoses.esp realisticinsectshealth.esp AAF_GrayAnimations.esp AAF_CreaturePack02DLC.esp sag_GuardPostMarkers.esp zsz_patched_SelectPowerArmor.esp xxxxx.esp xxxx1.esp Elzee Breathe.esp RustyFaceFixRedux.esp SKKFastStopInstitute.esp SettlementMenuManager.esp AlternateFurniture.esp AlternateSettlements.esp Better Vendor Stalls.esp MinutemenPropaganda.esp NPC Spawner.esp Northland Diggers.esp Northland.esp Settle-SRR.esp TD_DLC01Workshop_Addons.esp xxxxx.esp Snappable Covenant Walls.esp Splinterz.esp Sunshine.esp HN66Fo4_TRS.esp The Eyes Of Beauty.esp TransferSettlements.esp US Army T-series power armor.esp Tougher Vertibirds.esp AllUSArmyAndX01.esp Vadermania[AAF_anims].esp a198 Vanilla Shack Support.esp Vault Bed Happiness.esp VHCE.esp VtawWardrobe7.esp VtawWardrobe8.esp VtawWardrobe7 Previews.esp VtawWardrobe8 Previews.esp VtawWardrobe9.esp VtawWardrobe9 Previews.esp VtawWardrobe6.esp WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp rxl_bp70_animations.esp water_no_rads.esp ImTalkingToYou.esp SKKFastStartNewGame.esp Scrap Everything - Core.esp Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp Scrap Everything - Vault-Tec Workshop.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 PS: Starting up a new profile and taking out "scrap everything" out of my load list. And then I will transfer my savegame. yes I know the save file will likely have issues if stuff got broken but I can try right. Also taking out a few things I spotted when I read the list above that I either dont use or care anymore. One thing is for sure Its been forever since I had the city blocks near Diamond city without major issues on both my laptop or my desktop. EDIT: OK I culled the herd a bit. Down to 296 mods now from 320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 Back to the drawing Broad. Started a new game, on new profile, console commanded myself to the problem locations and I still get this (see attached) at Diamond City even though neither Diamond City Expansion nor Diamond City plus re installed. This is facing back towards the mutant gang spawnpoint at the intersection as you come to DC first time. I also did a quick check of the area surrounding Jamaica Plain specifically the view of University Point which is a fatstcheck from the spawn point and University Point was flickering in and out also. Disabling a couple more mods and see if I have success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 Still no luck. disabled a few more mods, down to 283 now. I am running out of mods to disable that touch any cells. New game try now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Learn the Artillery Bracketing method. Basically you remove 1/2 your mods from the start. No crash? Add back 1/2 of what you left out. Rinse and repeat until you can create the crash - which gives you the "range" of specific mods in question - then do the fine tuning removal. When you have as many mods as you do - you do NOT want to do this peacemeal - trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 Diamond City Blocks are now good. University point still has some residual Flickerin on a rooftop or two but entire walls/buildings are no longer flickering out of existence. The most recent files disabled right before were: -The rooftops from Zorkaz (he is usually beyond reproach but i mentioned it for completeness) -Beyond the Borders New Lands mod and -Beyond the borders bug fixes -Commonwealth Deep Clean and remodel ( a mod I love and have used for long time, but it does change a lot in the world and most of ym TFBs are at least in part based on it..) -Massechustes Project beta -Subwayrunnerrevised17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, fraquar said: Learn the Artillery Bracketing method. Basically you remove 1/2 your mods from the start. No crash? Add back 1/2 of what you left out. Rinse and repeat until you can create the crash - which gives you the "range" of specific mods in question - then do the fine tuning removal. When you have as many mods as you do - you do NOT want to do this peacemeal - trust me. Hmmm, you do have a point. but a great many of my mods touch no cells , like clothing mods, animation mods, armor mods, gun mods... I am removing mods that touch cells especially exterior ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Then just count your mods that touch cells - remove 1/2 of those. etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) Read the descriptions on the Deep Clean mods. Quote This mod has updated Precombine and Previs (PnP) files, for load order purposes that means it must be loaded after other mods that also have PnP files. That means all of your Deep Clean mods are expecting X - but because Scrap Everything is below them they (and you) are seeing Y. If you use Scrap Everything - you can't use ANY settlement cleanup mods that rebuild the very thing Scrap Everything is disabling.... Edited June 9 by fraquar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 My list is now stable. Went to all the usual locations, University Point , Jamaica Plains, Road north of convenant and of coruse the Diamodn City location. Almost all my mods that touch cells now removed. Only Atomic World and South of the Sea Atoms Storm remain (and they both add a lot of content so I am glad they seem ok.) I had forgotten how pathetic as a settlement location Jamaica Plain was without my scrapping and location mod. I will try to feed in a couyple of mods I like and check the outcome. Commonwealth Deep Clean and remodel Diamond City plus (which is NOT the same as Diamond City Expansion and it has been much more stable for me, does about 80% of DCE type content except w/o the strip club and brothel) Maybe I will add "The rooftops" and subwayrunnerrevised back in (there are 2 subway runner revised mods by the way) the 17 version is form the guy who has been publishing for a while udpates. I may revert to 16 though, since 17 added some over the top OP enemy locations in subway stations , which are absolute no go areas, unless u are late game character with the best late game weapons and armors; And IMO this is a bit illogical as any faction with that much military strenght would not be hiding in dank and dark subway stations but would occupy some of the best spots in the commonwealth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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