MajKrAzAm Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Orthodox Jews hold the exact same belief. Would you like to attack Jack Lew as well for holding those beliefs? The difference is Orthodox jews in america are not trying to push their religious belief in legislative policies.... Veering Off-topic, but this is just plain wrong. America houses half of the world’s Jewish population. If you think that they have had a negligible influence on American culture and politics in the 20th century, then I can only presume that you landed on Earth yesterday. Look up the battles over civil rights, foreign policy, and immigration in the 1960s, you will find that the involvement of Jews was largely motivated by hybrid religious-ethnic factors, with the remainder being resentment of the WASP upper classes. This isn't something that only some inbred Southerner kook has figured out, prominent Jewish figures have openly declared the very high priority they place on advancing Jewish interests, "what's good for the Jews", secular Zionism, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Orthodox Jews hold the exact same belief. Would you like to attack Jack Lew as well for holding those beliefs? The difference is Orthodox jews in america are not trying to push their religious belief in legislative policies.... Veering Off-topic, but this is just plain wrong. America houses half of the world’s Jewish population. If you think that they have had a negligible influence on American culture and politics in the 20th century, then I can only presume that you landed on Earth yesterday. Look up the battles over civil rights, foreign policy, and immigration in the 1960s, you will find that the involvement of Jews was largely motivated by hybrid religious-ethnic factors, with the remainder being resentment of the WASP upper classes. This isn't something that only some inbred Southerner kook has figured out, prominent Jewish figures have openly declared the very high priority they place on advancing Jewish interests, "what's good for the Jews", secular Zionism, etc. Yeah, umm, Let me rephrase this a little different... "currently" in the 21st century.... Orthodox jews in america are not trying to push their religious belief in legislative policies... :facepalm: Even if this isn't something that you say only some "inbred Southerner kook" has figured out, seem this person is living way too far in the past to think this makes any relevance to what is actually going on politically now... Edited February 1, 2014 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajKrAzAm Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Orthodox Jews hold the exact same belief. Would you like to attack Jack Lew as well for holding those beliefs? The difference is Orthodox jews in america are not trying to push their religious belief in legislative policies.... Veering Off-topic, but this is just plain wrong. America houses half of the world’s Jewish population. If you think that they have had a negligible influence on American culture and politics in the 20th century, then I can only presume that you landed on Earth yesterday. Look up the battles over civil rights, foreign policy, and immigration in the 1960s, you will find that the involvement of Jews was largely motivated by hybrid religious-ethnic factors, with the remainder being resentment of the WASP upper classes. This isn't something that only some inbred Southerner kook has figured out, prominent Jewish figures have openly declared the very high priority they place on advancing Jewish interests, "what's good for the Jews", secular Zionism, etc. Yeah, umm, Let me rephrase this a little different... "currently" in the 21st century.... Orthodox jews in america are not trying to push their religious belief in legislative policies... :facepalm: Even if this isn't something that you say only some "inbred Southerner kook" has figured out, seem this person is living way too far in the past to think this makes any relevance to what is actually going on politically now... Greetings presumed carbon-based life-form. Welcome to Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRoaches Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Yeah, umm, Let me rephrase this a little different... "currently" in the 21st century.... Orthodox jews in america are not trying to push their religious belief in legislative policies... That depends on what you mean by "religious belief". The Zionist movement is difficult to separate from the religious beliefs of its adherents, and Zionist ideology has had an undeniable influence on US foreign policy for a very long time. The politics are rooted in the religious beliefs of the supporters. This is a fine thing, regardless of who does it. In your example a Christian politician dared to publicly and honestly state his religious beliefs, built a platform that is unabashedly influenced by those beliefs, and was democratically elected to office based on that platform. You take issue with the policies that the person is advocating, and respond by condemning and mocking the person's religious belief. This is a fine example of a "politically correct" form of religious intolerance. If the same tactic were taken towards an Orthodox Jewish politician who was advocating some form of support towards Israel you would be labeled a bigot for not separating his religious viewpoint from his political viewpoint. This is absurd, because there is a large area of overlap between a person's religious philosophy and their political philosophy. If a person is devoutly religious those two aspects of their worldview become impossible to separate. Edited February 1, 2014 by TRoaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) If a person is devoutly religious those two aspects of their worldview become impossible to separate. This is another reason why I think the Republican party is dying. Unlike the Democratic party, their Ideology does not cling or identify with to one specific religion.... Edited February 1, 2014 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRoaches Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 This is another reason why I think the Republican party is dying. Unlike the Democratic party, their Ideology does not cling or identify with to one specific religion.... For many Democrats their ideology does cling to their religion. Jewish Americans vote overwhelmingly in favor of Democrats. It would be ignorant to condemn them for having a common political view that is influenced by their common religious beliefs, just as it is ignorant to condemn Christians for doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) For many Democrats their ideology does cling to their religion. Jewish Americans vote overwhelmingly in favor of Democrats. It would be ignorant to condemn them for having a common political view that is influenced by their common religious beliefs, just as it is ignorant to condemn Christians for doing the same. You are right, some people do have ideology in the democratic party that clings to a religious belief yet for a political party as a whole the Democratic party does not support polices in the same fashion the Republican party does. The Democratic party is made up of Christian's, Jew's, Muslim's, Buddhist, Athiest's, etc... No particular belief seems to trumps in their social policies or at all... Almost all Republican social policies lean highly on christian values and beliefs where as the entire party almost identifies itself as being Christian. For example you can hardly say there is a push from the Democratic party to legislate a policy requiring a woman's body to be fully covered in public or a policy which would dictate the type of clothes a woman can wear. As for the Republic party they are pushing polices limiting what one can do or restricting their rights even as humans completely based on religious beliefs, Religious beliefs that not everyone in America shares and most of the more extreme policies effect women in very negative ways even to the point of threatening a woman's health. The real irony is for a party that claims to champion on smaller government tries to legislate policies which blatantly controls a woman's body based on their religious beliefs. Edited February 1, 2014 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRoaches Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 For example you can hardly say there is a push from the Democratic party to legislate a policy requiring a woman's body to be fully covered in public or a policy which would dictate the type of clothes a woman can wear.You should hardly say this about any political party in the United States. Doing so would make you sound a bit silly, because nobody from any party advocates anything even remotely similar to what you describe. As for the Republic party they are pushing polices limiting what one can do or restricting their rights even as humans completely based on religious beliefs...Their policies are not "completely based on religious beliefs", just as a Jewish politician's policies towards Israel are unlikely to be completely based on religious beliefs. A person's political opinion is informed by the totality of their experience and worldview, which includes but is not limited to their religion. ...Religious beliefs that not everyone in America shares There is no such thing as a belief, religious or otherwise, that everyone shares. It is not required that everyone agrees on government policy. In a republic it is even possible that the popular majority opinion is considered invalid and unrecognized by the law if following that popular opinion would violate the rights of the remaining minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Republican policies are indeed, at least, partialy, based on their religious views. Where do you think the resistance against birth control, and abortion comes from? (hint: catholic church) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Republican policies are indeed, at least, partialy, based on their religious views. Where do you think the resistance against birth control, and abortion comes from? (hint: catholic church) Exactly... Which makes one wonder why the Republican party pushes to legislate such polices like forcing a women to have a totally unnecessary trans-vaginal probing when a woman wishes to seek to have abortion. If it's not because of some religious belief, then it would be great to see how anyone can justify such a practice mandating it by law. Edited February 1, 2014 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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