Trouble with missing mages' outfit

[jtrucker]

HI.
I'm quite new in using mods for Skyrim (I've played it on console before I got the game for PC) and I loaded several mods and now, there are random people naked in the game. Not in bed or swimming pool, that is by choice, but generally in cities. It isn't missing armor, whoever has armor, they all have it. But SOME (not all) clothes are missing.
I've noticed that basically all of the mage college's occupants are naked. It feels that when I got there for the first time, they were dressed, and it seems like one by one started to be naked. Like with every load of the game another type of robes were missing. That makes no sense, so perhaps it is that they all missed it at once and I just didn't notice on time. The only clothes mod I have is "rustic clothing" and I tried to uninstall it and nothing has changed, they are still naked.
I did not have/use body slide when I got CBBE but since that time I got it, and now I have it (dunno how to use it but at least I have it for any possible preset), but still, the random people are naked. Not the enemies (like mages in dungeons, they all have their black robes), only friendly NPCs are randomly naked.

Any idea, what could happened?
(My load order is attached)

Thanks for any help

loadorder.txt

[scorrp10]

When armor/clothing is missing a proper mesh file, the effect you get is an invisible body, not a naked person.    So  chances are, you might have a mod that messes with npc outfit distribution.    Likely something via SPID.

[ZeroOblivion27]

It sounds like you’re dealing with a weird issue where some NPCs, especially the ones at the Mage College, are randomly appearing naked in the game. They have their armor, but their clothes are missing. It didn’t happen all at once, but over time, as you loaded the game, you started noticing more and more NPCs missing clothes, and now it’s almost like it’s spreading, but only the friendly NPCs—not the enemies.

You mentioned using a mod called "Rustic Clothing" and uninstalled it, but that didn’t fix the issue. That’s weird, because even after uninstalling it, they’re still naked. You also mentioned getting CBBE but not using BodySlide at first, and now you have it but didn’t use it much.

The thing is, mods that affect clothing or NPC appearances can sometimes cause issues like this if they don’t match up with other mods or if there’s a conflict. It could be that when you first got CBBE, some outfits got messed up because they weren’t set up properly. Or, even though you uninstalled "Rustic Clothing," the game could still be trying to use it in the background. I’d recommend trying to check your mod load order, because if you have other mods that mess with NPCs or clothes, one could be overriding another and causing the missing clothes issue.

Also, since you're using CBBE, make sure that all the clothing and body mods are set up correctly with BodySlide. If you didn't use it at first, you might need to run BodySlide and make sure the outfits are properly generated for the NPCs. That might help fix the issue.

Lastly, this could be an issue with your save files. Sometimes after uninstalling or switching mods, Skyrim has a weird glitch with old save data. If nothing else works, try cleaning your save or even starting fresh to see if the problem stops happening.

Hopefully, that helps a bit! Let me know if you need any more details or run into anything while trying to fix it.

[jtrucker]

10 hours ago, ZeroOblivion27 said:

Also, since you're using CBBE, make sure that all the clothing and body mods are set up correctly with BodySlide. If you didn't use it at first, you might need to run BodySlide and make sure the outfits are properly generated for the NPCs. That might help fix the issue.

 

No this is like you are speaking Chinese to me Sorry, I'm total absolute noob if it comes to this thing. I now "have" the BS but that's all there is. Having it. I did open it, looked, saw I can change the shape of "a body" (to a crazy minuscule detail), then I closed it without saving anything anywhere cuz I would do more harm than good. I'm quite happy with whatever presets the mods have within, because I am very much artistically challenged, and can't do any good with the sliders . Anyway. I would have no idea, how to run it to "fix" outfits and stuff (moreover all I was were differently shaped naked bodies in the BS, no outfits at all actually. 

Anyway, as for the load order I'm using LOOT and the most recent order I've posted in the original post (if you can see something strange there, let me know, please). I myself wouldn't be able to find an issue there, relying on the LOOT.
I can try to start a new game (perhaps after uninstalling the rustic clothing) and kinda run directly to the college to take a look, since the naked NPCs are most prevalent there.

Being lvl 58, starting the game from the scratch is kinda unappealing at this moment. I might rather suffer the nakedness of the NPCs  

 

Thanks again for the analysis

[ZeroOblivion27]

3 hours ago, jtrucker said:

No this is like you are speaking Chinese to me Sorry, I'm total absolute noob if it comes to this thing. I now "have" the BS but that's all there is. Having it. I did open it, looked, saw I can change the shape of "a body" (to a crazy minuscule detail), then I closed it without saving anything anywhere cuz I would do more harm than good. I'm quite happy with whatever presets the mods have within, because I am very much artistically challenged, and can't do any good with the sliders . Anyway. I would have no idea, how to run it to "fix" outfits and stuff (moreover all I was were differently shaped naked bodies in the BS, no outfits at all actually. 

Anyway, as for the load order I'm using LOOT and the most recent order I've posted in the original post (if you can see something strange there, let me know, please). I myself wouldn't be able to find an issue there, relying on the LOOT.
I can try to start a new game (perhaps after uninstalling the rustic clothing) and kinda run directly to the college to take a look, since the naked NPCs are most prevalent there.

Being lvl 58, starting the game from the scratch is kinda unappealing at this moment. I might rather suffer the nakedness of the NPCs  

I get it! No worries, modding can feel a bit overwhelming at first. If you’re using BodySlide but aren’t comfortable with sliders or adjusting outfits, that’s perfectly fine! It’s mostly useful if you want to customize body shapes, but you don’t have to dive deep into it to fix most issues.

Since you're seeing naked NPCs, especially at the Mage College, it sounds like there might be an issue with outfits not being applied correctly. You mentioned Rustic Clothing earlier, so it’s possible that mod is either causing a conflict or hasn’t been fully removed, which could be why some NPCs are naked. Sometimes, when you uninstall a mod, its changes don't completely disappear unless the game is cleaned or reset.

You could try starting a new game to see if the issue still happens, but I get that it’s not the most appealing option when you're already level 58. Another way to test without starting fresh is to remove Rustic Clothing (or any mod you think might be causing the issue), use LOOT to double-check your load order, and then fast travel directly to the college to see if the problem persists.

If you still see naked NPCs after that, the issue might be somewhere else, and we can keep digging. But hopefully, this helps you get closer to figuring it out without needing to restart everything!

[scorrp10]

Once again, BodySlide has absolutely NOTHING to do with your issue.   When NPC in-game equips an outfit  for which there is no mesh file present, you basically get a floating head with no body.   Or, if wrong mesh files is being used, you get clothing that is different from expected.   NOT naked people.

Rustic Clothing also has NOTHING to do with your issue.    It is just a collection of higher quality textures to replace the vanilla ones.   Uninstalling it will just downgrade the look of people's clothes - provided they are wearing them.

People in your game are naked because something has messed with their outfit parameter.   You gave your loadorder, which lists your .esp plugins, but you did not provide the list of installed MODS.   I suspect you may have Spell Perk Item Distributior, (SPID) as well as some mod(s) that use SPID to assign different outfits to various NPCs.   

By the way, if you want to start a new game to check up on college, it can be done very quickly.    Start up game, and when main menu appears, open console (~) and type in:
coc winterholdcollegeexterior

In the meantime, you can do a bit of detective work.   For this, you need More Informative Console installed.   I will give you a specific example: Brelyna Maryon.   

If I go to college, find Brelyna open console and click on her, it tells me (on the right side) that her base is initially defined in Skyrim.esm, but last modified by Bijin Warmaidents.esp  (for me at least).   See what it says for you, that might be the cause.

Next, type command: showinventory
I get this:

Note how next to her worn items, it says 'Outfit'.   This means that this clothing does not come from inventory, but is drawn from her assigned outfit.   An outfit is a list of wearable items that an NPC will equip by default.

Experiment:  with Brelyna still targeted in console, type in: removeallitems, next close the console for the command to take effect.  She is stripped of everything and is now naked.   You can verify that her inventory is empty via showinventory command.
Open console again, and type in: additem 10D678 1
This will add 'Master Mage Robes of Destruction' to her.  However, as soon as you close the console, she gets dressed in her usual outfit (robe, hood, boots).   And if you do showinventory, it will show that she is wearing her outfit-supplied Apprentice Robes, instead of the superior Master robes that she now also has in her inventory. 
If, in your case, she equips just the master robes, SOMETHING in your mods has erased her outfit setting.   

 

[jtrucker]

Oh, that was very informative.
a) I do have SPID. I have no idea what it is/does but is was required for poisoned arrows, which I wanted so I got it for it.  To be honest I simply do not remember WHEN the naked people started to show up, whether before or after this.
b) I tried the console experiment, didn't see Brelyna but found (naked) Mirabelle. And it is even stranger:
Her showinventory shows just single book, no outfits at all. I gave her the robe as you showed me. She stayed naked even having it now in her inventory (I recheck using the console again. )
I tried the same with a guy, in a different location of the college with the same result. They do NOT equip the gifted robes even if that show in their inventory. So something must have really mess it up
(I looked at random dressed guard using the same command, just for my learning purposes and it showed similar list as you've posted by example. I just wanted to make sure I'm doing it correctly. )

c) got plugin for MO2 to export the whole modlist to CSV file, hope it helps? I did disable the rustic clothing, but as you said, it didn't fix it.

 

thanks a lot

LazyListExporter.csv

[scorrp10]

I can't  really tell from the list which one might be causing this issue (Dynamic Armor Variants maybe?)   

But here's something for you - drop the attached file into your mod manager.    It  should add a spellbook on the the edge of 'fountain'  in the Hall of Attainment. in the College.    The book will teach you a 'Restore NPC Outfit'  illusion spell.

Unfortunately, once an NPC outfit is unassigned, there is no way to know in that playthrough what it was originally.    So I just added a few archetype outfits.    Casting this spell repeatedly on the affected character should cycle them through those:   
Mage robes
Thieve's Guild armor
Steel Plate armor
Merchant clothes
Fine clothes.

Also, when you cast this spell on a naked NPC, a message box should appear telling you the FormID of the outfit they had.   If whatever mod has been assigning an empty outfit to those NPCs, this FormID should help pinpoint the offending mod. 

RestoreNPCOutfit.7z

[jtrucker]

OMG, you can do that? Spell to dress up a naked NPC? That is amazing. Unbelievable even. I will try.

Too bad nobody can know what caused it, so I can't get rid of it for next playthrough, but thanks for the spell. Will try it now...

Tried and it worked. Thank you million times.
I had no idea this is possible at all, moreover when they did not dress the garment I gave them via the additem. I didn't know you can "force" to dress them something. The spell is really cool  
While I was dressing the poor freezing mages, I discovered another tidbit - "some" were dressed actually and using the showinventory (I actually never used console terminal for anything until now), all the dressed ones had Master robes of... their school of magic. So it seems that the error didn't affect the master robes, but whatever lower robes they were wearing. 

Anyway, the issue of them freezing naked in Winterhold snowstorm is fixed. Thank you again.

[scorrp10]

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Too bad nobody can know what caused it, so I can't get rid of it for next playthrough

When you cast the spell first time on an NPC that went naked, it should have popped a message box stating what their outfit was - followed by an 8-digit hex number.   Did you happen to write that number down for any of them?

To explain this further:
If you look at the base record of Mirabelle Ervine (0001C1A0), her assigned outfit is 'CollegeApprenticeAlterationOutfitNoHood'  (000D3DF8)  which contains:

At some point, some mod in your lineup has changed her outfit assignment to something else.   At the time of assignment, that outfit form likely was valid, containing valid garments.   But for some reason, it later went 'bad'.   Chances are, the mod in question uses outfit records populated with LevelledItems in order to create outfits dynamically, and somehow those LevelledItems got reset to empty.    

Unfortunately, there is no direct (built-in) console command to change an NPC outfit assignment, and it needs to be done via a script. (Which is what my spell does)