Crashing in the Imperial City

[kathlyn92]

So after awhile on any of my characters my game CTDs while in the imperial city. I have tried compatibility patches, BOSS, creating a bash patch (then deleting that because it made my game CTD even faster-within one minute). My load order is below :smile: Also something interesting I was remaking a custom race character it seems somehow the crazy hairs for the hidden elf race are missing now (wtf right?) and I had a CTD during the character creation screen.....Is there something I am missing or can all the mods I want not work together?

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
02  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.4.1]
03  Lattamerv3.esm
04  Knights - Revelation.esm
05  VampireFaceBugFix.esm
06  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
07  Better Cities .esp
08  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
09  Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
0A  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
0B  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
0C  AliveWaters.esp
0D  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
0E  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
0F  Living Economy.esp
10  FormID Finder4.esp
11  Streamline 3.0.esp
12  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
13  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
14  DLCHorseArmor.esp
15  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
16  DLCOrrery.esp
17  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
18  DLCVileLair.esp
19  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
1A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
1C  DLCSpellTomes.esp
1D  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
1E  HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
1F  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
20  1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp
21  DarkSaintUFF.esp
22  EY_Vampirehunter.esp
23  HGEC Witch Queen Ritual Robe.esp
24  Iron Maiden Set.esp
25  NexonsArmoryENG.esp
26  Babarized SinbloodWidowDress.esp
27  Gizmodian - Eclipse.esp
28  TGND Fantabulous Formal Dresses.esp
29  DLCThievesDen.esp
2A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
2B  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
2C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
2D  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
2E  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]
2F  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]
30  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]
31  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
32  Dairânath Avari - male Companion.esp
33  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
34  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
35  DLCFrostcrag.esp
36  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
37  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
38  Knights.esp
39  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
3A  Knights - Revelation.esp
3B  TOTF.esp
3C  The Lost Spires.esp
3D  ReclaimSancreTor.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
3E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
3F  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
40  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
41  xulTheHeath.esp
42  XulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
43  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
44  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
45  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
46  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]
47  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
48  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.5]
49  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
4A  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]
4B  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
4C  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
4D  RST+Cloudtop Mountains.esp  [Version 1.1]
4E  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]
4F  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
50  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
51  xulPantherRiver.esp
52  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
53  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
54  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]
55  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
56  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
57  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
58  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
59  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
5A  RST+Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 1.1]
5B  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
5C  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp
5D  OOO-Snowdale patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
5E  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
5F  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
60  RST+Cliffs of Anvil.esp  [Version 1.2]
61  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
62  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
63  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
64  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.1.4]
65  RST+Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 1.1]
66  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
67  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
68  SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp
69  LTDVampireOverhaul.esp
6A  SW01Plus.esp
6B  SW01Minus.esp
6C  ScriptEffectSubduer.esp
6D  Vanilla_Race_Overhaul.esp
6E  Hidden_Elves.esp  [Version 1.2]
6F  DKImperials.esp
70  Synx.esp
71  CompanionFergus.esp  [Version 2.0]
72  Dairanath Avari - male Companion.esp
73  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
74  boethia custom race.esp
75  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.4.1]
76  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3]
77  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 1.3]
78  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
79  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 1.4]
7A  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Panther River patch.esp  [Version 1.4]
7B  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.3.0]
7C  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp
7D  VFBF Quicksave.esp
7E  UVIII.esp
7F  Immersive Weapons.esp
80  AEU Vampire Ranger.esp
81  Princess line Dress.esp
82  Witch LongDress.esp
83  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 5.3.0]
84  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.4.0]
85  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

 

[mysticcro]

If one of the mods is making you crash..well..how about Only select Oblivion..and then enable mod's one by one going in game, and out with each time you go in and out..select and add new mod to the list..that way you can find one that is crashing..at least in my case when i had such problem it helped me with crashing..

[ZeroSbr1]

Maybe it's because you have two custom races active? I dunno. Personally, I've been out of the Oblivion modding loop for years, so I can't be of much help.

[kathlyn92]

So mysticcro I was hoping to avoid that process haha! However I had already prepping for a clean install so deep down I knew I would probably have to disable everything and go one by one :P Soooo I have been adding mods back one by one and I just had my first CTD after adding Better Cities. I really wanted to use that mod too! Next I'm going to try Unique Landscapes (which was second with Better Cities on my list of mods probably crashing my game). Will update when I finish testing the rest!

Zero-so it turns out at least with the Hidden Elves the reason the hair was missing was because I deleted Beautiful People from my data file and somehow the hairs used that? Anyways I have been playing with just High Imperials and Lattamer now and until Better Cities was added I had no crashing while I was playing a high imperial :) and honestly just throwing out any guesses you have (even if you havent been modding in a long time) is super helpful! Im very new to modding and basically spray and pray self taught type, Oblivion though has been my hardest game to set up!

[kathlyn92]

Ok so it is definitely Better Cities that is causing the crashing, I'm going to try and just disable the imperial city portion of the mod and see what that does....fingers crossed! If there any solutions to this problem I would love to know :) my updated load order is....

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
02  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.4.1]
03  Lattamerv3.esm
04  Knights - Revelation.esm
05  VampireFaceBugFix.esm
06  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
07  Better Cities .esp
08  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
09  Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
0A  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
0B  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
0C  AliveWaters.esp
0D  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
0E  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
0F  Living Economy.esp
10  Living Economy - Items.esp
11  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
12  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]
13  DLCHorseArmor.esp
14  DLCOrrery.esp
15  DLCVileLair.esp
16  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
17  DLCSpellTomes.esp
18  HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
19  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
1A  1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp
1B  DarkSaintUFF.esp
1C  EY_Vampirehunter.esp
1D  HGEC Witch Queen Ritual Robe.esp
1E  Iron Maiden Set.esp
1F  NexonsArmoryENG.esp
20  TGND Fantabulous Formal Dresses.esp
21  DLCThievesDen.esp
22  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
23  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
24  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]
25  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]
26  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
27  Dairânath Avari - male Companion.esp
28  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
29  DLCfrostcrag.esp
2A  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
2B  Knights.esp
2C  Knights - Revelation.esp
2D  The Lost Spires.esp
2E  ReclaimSancreTor.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
2F  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
30  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
31  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
32  xulTheHeath.esp
33  XulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
34  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
35  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
36  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
37  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]
38  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
39  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.5]
3A  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
3B  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]
3C  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
3D  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
3E  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]
3F  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
40  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
41  xulPantherRiver.esp
42  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
43  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
44  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]
45  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
46  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
47  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
48  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
49  RST+Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 1.1]
4A  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
4B  OOO-Snowdale patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
4C  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
4D  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
4E  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
4F  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
50  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
51  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.1.4]
52  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
53  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
54  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
55  LTDVampireOverhaul.esp
56  SW01.esp
57  SWalk.esp
58  Idle Pose Replacer.esp
59  ScriptEffectSubduer.esp
5A  Vanilla_Race_Overhaul.esp
5B  DKImperials.esp
5C  CompanionFergus.esp  [Version 2.0]
5D  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
5E  boethia custom race.esp
5F  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.4.1]
60  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3]
61  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 1.3]
62  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 1.4]
63  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Panther River patch.esp  [Version 1.4]
64  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.3.0]
65  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp
66  Coolsims627.esp
67  AEU Vampire Ranger.esp
68  Princess line Dress.esp
69  Witch LongDress.esp

[mysticcro]

Hm..yes process is rather annoying have it done myself more then few times..you get used with time when you have lots of mods though.

 

As for that crashing..well perhaps there is some mod on that list that conflicts with Better Cities considering Imperial City..and thats why it crashes..do you have any other mod aside of Better Cities that..TOUCHES..as to say in simple term..Imperial City..as in changes anything in it or adds or things like that...aside of BC of course?

[kathlyn92]

So both OOO and Unique Landscapes edit the imperial isle, however I have scoured the read me for all three and installed all compatibility patches for said mods. There was one thing in the Better Cities readme though that I thought was interesting, according to the makers the mod's version of the Imperial city is in an entirely separate cell (which is why you cannot fast travel in or out of it) anyways they explained that doing that made it so anything affecting the isle would be fine with BC. I can't help but wonder however if that particular feature is what's causing the problem. There is also how the imperialcity.esp for BC is VERY picky and must be the last to load or else weird s#*! happens...

PS: Also I saw you were having some issues, glad to see you got what appeared to be some very good answers! How many mods are you running on Oblivion?

[mysticcro]

To be honest i have no idea how many, a lot i suppose..i never counted them, but so far no problems and i hope it remains like that, i am usually rather careful when it comes to mod so it wont ruin my game and make it crash like your crashing problems.

 

As for your problem..well..you have meaning THREE..mods that edit imperial city..how about you try only Better Cities..along with Unique Landscape and see if it crashes, then if it does try..combining Better Cities with OOO see if it crashes..or better cities off then OOO and Unique Landscapes obviously one of these is causing problems no matter this patch..

[kathlyn92]

OOO and Unique work fine together with or without patches actually, Unique and BC were crashing too (that was the original problem combination) and OOO and BC still caused the game to crash, even with the imperial city part of BC disabled I still get the occasional CTD. Half of me doesn't want to rid of the mods because I want to figure out how to get them all working, and the other lazier half is like "eh, it will just make me practice better saving".

[mysticcro]

Aye i know that feeling well, i suppose you will have to either get rid of the one that causes crashes..or..well..spam save x)