AndyDocHolliday Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I've been battling for months to get the game working with the 200 or so mods I consider essential and I can't do it anymore! I've included as much detail as possible, please help! The game runs for a few minutes, then crashes to desktop either immediately after loading or in the middle of wandering around. I rarely get any stutter and usually run at 60fps. I use Mod Organizer, and Wrye Bash for bash patches. BOSS Stuff BOSS Load Order These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action. Skyrim.esm Active Update.esm Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active Dawnguard.esm Active Contains dirty edits: 619 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} HearthFires.esm Active Contains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Dragonborn.esm Active Contains dirty edits: 61 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Active Warning: Due to conflicts between Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization and ClimatesOfTamriel.esm it is recommended you use the appropriate compatibility patch found here. Warning: Due to conflicts between Sounds of Skyrim - The Wilds and ClimatesOfTamriel.esm it is recommended you use the appropriate compatibility patch found here. Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active Note: Use the Dawnguard version of Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm to have changes made to Dawnguard. Contains dirty edits: 24 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. moonpath.esm Active Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. SkyMoMod.esm Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm Active SPIKE.esm Active Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}} Note: If you using version 2.0 of the unofficial patches but you see this message you need to download this file: userlist.txt. After the download you need to copy this file to your 'BOSS\Skyrim\' folder or add the contents of this file to an already existing userlist.txt. Just ignore this message after updating any preexisting userlist.txt or copying the file to your 'BOSS\Skyrim\' folder. Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}} Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Stats}} Chesko_Frostfall.esp Active ItRainedOn.esp Active Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active Morning Fogs.esp Active RevampedExteriorFog.esp Active SplashofRain.esp Active Supreme Fog - CoT.esp Active fantasy music overhaul.esp Active StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Active StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp Active 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp Active BorderSense.esp Active Cannabis.esp Active CannabisUpdate.esp Active Dead Body Collision.esp Active DFB - Random Encounters.esp Active Dual Sheath Redux.esp Active Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+ Harvest More Food & Ingredients.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}} UnlimitedBookshelves.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 36 ITM, 59 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. moredragonloot.esp Active PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esp Active Point The Way.esp Active Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp Active Populated Forts Towers Places.esp Active Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp Active Populated Skyrim Civil War.esp Active Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp Active Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp Active Real Clouds.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 42 ITM, 1 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. SabreFurBag.esp Active Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Traps Make Noise.esp Active WerewolfAftermathEquipper.esp Active WetandCold.esp Active Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp Active Footprints.esp Active RaceMenu.esp Active RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author. towConversation.esp Active SkyUI.esp Active iHUD.esp Active Customizable Camera.esp Active Cloaks.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Immersive Weapons.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} Injure Set.esp Active One handed Crossbow.esp Active skyforgedShields.esp Active Unique Uniques.esp Active Dr_Bandolier.esp Active Lock Overhaul.esp Active DeadlyDragons.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} AgentOfRighteousMight.esp Active BetterJorrvaskr.esp Active buildablehouse.esp Active CornerofTheSkyrim.esp Active FZGuildOutposts.esp Active FZGuildOutpost_DLC01.esp Active FZGuildOutpostsDLC02.esp Active FZDBFalkreathResurrect.esp Active Inconsequential NPCs.esp Active moonpath_questdata.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. MoreBanditCamps(Explorer'sEdition).esp Active Northern Bathhouses.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 96 ITM, 12 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Warning: This file contains 2 deleted NavMesh record(s) that TES5Edit cannot repair automatically and it may cause problems with your game. NavMesh deletions should be reported to the mod author. A guide to repairing NavMesh deletions with TES5Edit is located here. OBIS.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} OBISDB.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} PumpingIron.esp Active Radiance.esp Active Run For Your Lives.esp Active When Vampires Attack.esp Active Morrowloot_nwah.esp Active The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active theWatchTowers.esp Active throneroom.esp Active TheChoiceIsYours.esp Active Thieves Guild Requirements.esp Active Better Vampires.esp Active Contains dirty edits: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function. Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp Active ESFCompanions.esp Active Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active Werewolf Loot.esp Active NonEssentialChildren.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}} The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp Active Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp Active ArchmageTolfdir.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp Active Book Covers Skyrim.esp Active Book Covers Dawnguard.esp Active Book Covers Hearthfire.esp Active FireAndIceOverhaul.esp Active Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function. Headtracking.esp Active HorsesGoneWild.esp Active ImmediateDragons.esp Active NoBlur.esp Active OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp Active SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Active dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active Requires: Monster Mod and Immersive Creatures Patch \ Dawnguard + Dragonborn + Monster Mod + Immersive Creatures. dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp Active dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp Active The Grace of Divine -True 9 Divines Blessings-.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-TimingIsEverythingPatch.esp (PLUGIN IS SWITCHED OFF IN THE PLUGIN LIST) Error: TimingIsEverything.esp is not present or is not active. Skyrim will CTD when loading if using this file without it. TorchRadius.esp Active skyforgedWeapons.esp Active Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp Active Helgen Reborn.esp Active Shortcuts.esp Active Whiterun Expansion.esp Active icefloes.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Tundra to forest.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 20 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Unique Grasses.esp Active Beautiful Cities.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 0 ITM, 22 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-PersidRRentalPatch.esp (PLUGIN IS SWITCHED OFF IN THE PLUGIN LIST) Error: RealisticRoomRental.esp is not present or is not active. Skyrim will CTD when loading if this file is active without Realistic Room Rental SkyrimSewers.esp Active SoS - The Dungeons.esp Active Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes. SoS - The Wilds.esp Active Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes. Contains dirty edits: 8 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. SoS - Civilization.esp Active Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes. Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp Active ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp Active ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp Active Incompatible with: Realistic Lighting Overhaul ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp Active Incompatible with: Realistic Lighting Overhaul ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp Active Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp Active Unique Region Names - Dragonborn COT Patch.esp Active abotFiresHurt.esp Active RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}} RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp Active RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp Active RND_USKP-Patch.esp Active Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}} Realistic Running Speed.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp (PLUGIN IS SWITCHED OFF IN THE PLUGIN LIST) Error: aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp is not present or is not active. Skyrim will CTD when loading if using this file without aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp Active Incompatible with: BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightMasteryPatch.esp BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightMasteryPatch.esp (PLUGIN IS SWITCHED OFF IN THE PLUGIN LIST) Note: This patch is only usable with the Moonlight Tales compatible version of Werewolf Mastery. Error: WerewolfMastery.esp is not present or is not active. Skyrim will CTD when loading if this file is active without Werewolf Mastery Incompatible with: BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp ShoutCD.esp Active InvestedMagic.esp Active DGInvestedMagic.esp Active Duel - Combat Realism.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 5 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. Locational Damage.esp Active TrueYield.esp Active Sneak Tools.esp Active Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp Active Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp Active NoFallDamageforVL.esp Active Vampirelordroyal.esp Active UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page. Contains dirty edits: 18 ITM, 0 UDR records Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp Active UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 18 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 29 ITM, 18 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. BetterQuestObjectives-UFOPatch.esp Active No NPC Greetings.esp Active ESFAela.esp Active Realistic Teeth Dawnguard Serana Vampire Fix.esp Active moveit.esp BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp Active BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp Active dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif. ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active Contains dirty edits: 6 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here. First Person Messages.esp Active TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp Active TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp Active getSnowy.esp Active RealShelter.esp Active Spells Cast Light.esp Active WATER.esp Active WATER Plants.esp Active WATER DB Waves.esp Active RND_Water-Patch.esp Active Unique Region Names.esp Active Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp Active User Rules When I click the 'There are potential problems with your setup', it details all these mods listed below and how to fix them in the load order, so I defined some user rules to hopefully sort it out. Rule Applied Details (if applicable) Sort Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp after Update.esm ? Sort Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp after Dawnguard.esm ? Sort Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp after HearthFires.esm ? Sort Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp after Dragonborn.esm ? Sort Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp before Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp ? Sort TheChoiceIsYours.esp after Morrowloot_nwah.esp ? Sort Thieves Guild Requirements.esp after TheChoiceIsYours.esp ? Sort Morrowloot_nwah.esp after When Vampires Attack.esp ? Sort Better Vampires.esp after Thieves Guild Requirements.esp ? Sort Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp after Better Vampires.esp ? Sort ESFCompanions.esp after Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp ? Sort Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp after ESFCompanions.esp ? Sort Werewolf Loot.esp after Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp ? Sort NonEssentialChildren.esp after Werewolf Loot.esp ? Sort Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp after NonEssentialChildren.esp ? Sort The Dance Of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp before Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp ? INI Files Skyrim.ini [General] sLanguage=ENGLISH uExterior Cell Buffer=36 [Display] fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0 fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0 fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0 iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048 bAllowScreenshot=1 bTreesRecieveShadows=1 bDrawLandShadows=1 fSunShadowUpdateTime=0 fSunUpdateThreshold=2.0 [Audio] fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0 fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0 fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0 fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0 [Grass] bAllowCreateGrass=1 bAllowLoadGrass=0 iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=6 [Actor] fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000 [GeneralWarnings] SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information. [Archive] sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa [Combat] fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0 fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0 f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7 f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7 f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7 f3PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7 [Papyrus] fUpdateBudgetMS=1.2 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=1.2 fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 iMinMemoryPageSize=128 iMaxMemoryPageSize=512 iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=76800 bEnableLogging=0 bEnableTrace=0 bLoadDebugInformation=0 bEnableProfiling=0 [General] sIntroSequence= fFlickeringLightDistance=8192 SkrimPrefs.ini [Display] iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3 bTreesReceiveShadows=1 bMouseAcceleration=0 bFloatPointRenderTarget=1 fShadowBiasScale=0.25 fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000 fShadowDistance=4000 iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3 bFloatPointRenderTarget=1 iShadowMaskQuarter=4 iShadowMapResolution=2048 bFXAAEnabled=0 iMaxAnisotropy=8 fGamma=1.0000 iShadowFilter=3 fDecalLOD2=1500.0000 fDecalLOD1=1000.0000 fSpecularLODStartFade=1000 fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000 fLightLODStartFade=2500 iTexMipMapMinimum=0 iTexMipMapSkip=0 bTransparencyMultisampling=0 iWaterMultiSamples=0 iMultiSample=8 iShadowMode=3 bTreesReceiveShadows=0 bDrawLandShadows=0 bDrawShadows=1 bFull Screen=1 iSize H=900 iSize W=1440 fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000 fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000 fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=5000 fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000 fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000 fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000 fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000 fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=1e+007 fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=1e+007 iScreenShotIndex=8 bShadowMaskZPrepass=0 bMainZPrepass=0 iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=10 iMaxDecalsPerFrame=30 sD3DDevice="AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series" iAdapter=0 iPresentInterval=0 bShadowsOnGrass=1 bDeferredShadows=1 [imagespace] bDoDepthOfField=1 iRadialBlurLevel=1 [Grass] b30GrassVS=1 fGrassStartFadeDistance=5000 fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000 fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=400.0000 [Water] iWaterReflectHeight=512 iWaterReflectWidth=512 bUseWaterDisplacements=1 bUseWaterRefractions=1 bUseWaterReflections=1 bUseWaterDepth=1 [MAIN] fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000 bGamepadEnable=1 bCrosshairEnabled=1 fHUDOpacity=1.0000 bSaveOnPause=1 bSaveOnTravel=1 bSaveOnWait=1 bSaveOnRest=1 [GamePlay] bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1 bShowQuestMarkers=1 iDifficulty=2 [interface] bDialogueSubtitles=1 bGeneralSubtitles=1 bShowCompass=1 fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000 [Controls] fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0220 fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.9000 bAlwaysRunByDefault=1 bInvertYValues=0 bGamePadRumble=1 bUseKinect=0 [Particles] iMaxDesired=750 [saveGame] fAutosaveEveryXMins=5.0000 [AudioMenu] fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000 fVal7=1.0000 uID7=0 fVal6=1.0000 uID6=0 fVal5=1.0000 uID5=0 fVal4=1.0000 uID4=0 fVal3=0.5000 uID3=466532 fVal2=0.8000 uID2=554685 fVal1=0.8000 uID1=1007612 fVal0=1.0000 uID0=94881 [Clouds] fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000 fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000 fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000 fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000 [General] iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1 bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0 [TerrainManager] fTreeLoadDistance=40000 fBlockMaximumDistance=150000 fBlockLevel1Distance=40000 fBlockLevel0Distance=25000 fSplitDistanceMult=1.1 bShowLODInEditor=0 [Trees] bRenderSkinnedTrees=1 uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=40 [Decals] bDecalsOnSkinnedGeometry=1 uMaxDecals=250 bDecals=1 bSkinnedDecals=1 uMaxSkinDecals=50 uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=40 [LOD] fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000 fLODFadeOutMultObjects=7.5 fLODFadeOutMultItems=4.5 fLODFadeOutMultActors=6 [LAUNCHER] bEnableFileSelection=1 bShowAllResolutions=0 uLastAspectRatio=4 [blurShaderHDR] bDoHighDynamicRange=1 [blurShader] bUseBlurShader=0 System Info 64-bit Windows 7 Service Pack 1 AMD Phenom II X4 955 Processor 3.21 GHz 12.0 GB RAM I run SKSE, Wrye Bash, Dual Sheath Redux etc all out of the Mod Organizer. I have a different 'test' profile where I trimmed the fat down to 140 mods and had the same issues. I have no idea how to do TES5Edit cleaning. Also worth mentioning I am trying getting these issues with completely fresh saves - any time I change anything I restart and will continue to do so until I get these issues resolved. If there is any more info I can provide, please tell me! I love Skyrim to pieces and this is tearing me apart. :C Thank you to anybody that takes a look, Andy
Lord Garon Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) It is REALLY difficult to help in this situation; many mods already installed, no idea when the problem started (after a particular mod was installed), no idea if you have trouble with vanilla Skyrim, etc. You do use some good tools, but, as a first step, you NEED to clean the mods with TES5EDIT which BOSS says to clean. Those warnings are in BOSS for good reasons (deleted references, flagged as UDR, can cause CTD's). Gopher has a good video to get you started. MO has a profile ability to let you run different mod setups. I don't use MO so I don't know the details, but I would first try a new profile (watch out for your current savegames!) with default ini files and ONLY vanilla Skyrim, cleaned DLC, Unofficial patches, SKSE, and your ENB. I would also add SSME ( or use the patched SKSE ) to implement Sheson's memory fix. Once your basic setup is running okay, then I would add cleaned mods IN YOUR CURRENT LOAD ORDER sequence (if possible) to the new profile, run BOSS, generate a new bashed patch if necessary, and test. If its a large mod, just add it by itself. Add just a few mods at a time (one at a time is ideal) and test your game after each addition so you can tell what might be causing a problem. Slowly work your new profile up to your desired mod load. It may take a while, but you've spent months trying to fix your old setup. A little time now will be time well spent. Make sure your mods are updated and that you have the correct compatibility patches as well. As you have discovered, modding Skyrim is not as simple as it may seem. But, if you follow mod author instructions, use BOSS, BASH, and TES5EDIT, implement the Skyrim Memory fixes (ENB and Sheson's patch), and test while adding mods, you can have a very complex Skyrim setup which runs very reliably. I've had 6 or 7 CTD's in months of playing, and fixed every one by following the above process. Good luck. EDIT: I've been told that MO can run all the third party tools (BOSS, BASH, TES5EDIT) from within MO. I guess the ideal process would start with a pristine vanilla Skyrim installation and add, clean, BASH, and sort ALL mods via MO. I "believe" you still have to add SKSE, ENBseries, and SSME manually as they go in the Skyrim directory and MO won't add those programs by itself. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Edited February 7, 2014 by Lord Garon
charlottenoyen Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I've had great success using a combination of these (ALL of these, in this order): ClearInvalidRegistrations (requires SKSE)This S.T.E.P. guideSavegame CleanerThis guide (read the sticky in the comments too!) Try those if doing what Lord Garon recommends isn't working for you. But yeah, TES5EDIT cleaning is very important. Seriously just do what BOSS tells you to do. Here's the video and the tutorial. I feel your pain, by the way. It can be a real blow to lose so many hours of play. Hope one of these works. Out of curiosity, how big are your latest save files?
ExEvolution Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Are you using Sheson's memory hack?http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50305/?
AndyDocHolliday Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 Thanks for the awesomely overwhelming responses guys! Looks like I'll be spending the rest of the day (it's 10AM here in Australia) working through it and getting it functional. I will post back as soon as I have some results! <3
charlottenoyen Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Do let us know if it works. And good luck!
AndyDocHolliday Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 Just as a side-question, isn't a little irresponsible for mod authors to upload mods that haven't been cleaned? Or am I just talking out of my butt?
AndyDocHolliday Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 OKAY so I just followed the guides in the TES5Edit Mod Cleaning Tutorial on the Creation Kit site and cleaned up Update.esm, following all the steps it gave me to the letter. Upon booting up BOSS and running it, no more dirty edits notification on the update! Yay! However, I am still getting; Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Is this an issue?
AndyDocHolliday Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 Nevermind! Did some research on the bash tag suggestion, now know it's just to help out wrye bash for bash patches. :)
charlottenoyen Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Just as a side-question, isn't a little irresponsible for mod authors to upload mods that haven't been cleaned? Or am I just talking out of my butt? As far as I know it's best practice to clean your own mods, but some authors simply don't know they should, or the mods were created before changes were made to the construction kit or the game itself, or before TES5EDIT was out. From what I understand there's a lot of ways a dirty edit might slip through the cracks without any malice or laziness on the part of the authors. And yes, you can ignore those bash tag suggestions.
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