CTD with freshly installed vanilla game

[GOsteW]

Ok, all done. Everything works. Now I just have to play and mod the games ;-) Thank you very much, you saved my games, my PC and my future modding experience, I really appreciate all you have done for me :D

[Purr4me]

Modding the games , well Fallout 3 for one.

Some things need be said about data used, what I have found, what others think is wrong verses what really is wrong.

 

If I state to you what i found to be exactly wrong with any mods here, this would Entice a warning or a Ban hammer on me.

 

So, I can only ID files and not the mods. It seems a lot of "files" have been Borrowed from a lot of people, over and over again. These specific files have properties so bad, they can even kill Nifscope and lock up the OS when you try and load them.

 

Some mods here, some I represent and care for, some not all have in common .....these types of files. When the game is running for some time and you enter a cell, some times the files get called up or checked as the cell loads. For not reason you can see, any one can see, the game just plain crashes out.

 

This program is one of the best tools I have found that is stand alone. http://www.irfanview.com/

 

this tool is used to scan or thumb your way thru mod packs and Identify the bad files. these file ......this program will flat tell you can not be rendered.

When the game tries to load these very same files, even Nvidia's program crashes...let alone the game engine.

 

But the people don't seem to care enough about the game any more. I'll give you two file names to scan for , 1 is a *.nif type. these are found on Google search, a very narrow search.

1. huntingrifle_sdscopedv2.nif

Some of these are required but are not actually used in game, Just that the name of the file is a stand in, these things are hidden from use, so the player / user never accesses them. The problem is , nobody thinks what the Engine does....when it loads that cell.

 

You find and down load any mod packs that might contain that one file and run it in Nifscope and see what takes place. should it render, ? please screen shot that picture for me as large r as possible so I can Identify where it came from.

 

Most mods are missing assets, this does not prevent the mod from working, but if you keep adding in missing assets to replace the Empty spaces left over from the mess we bought, you Eliminate the memory leaks, squash them down to very little amounts.

 

Three programs that do similar things but not quite in the same way + one last one that requires a lot of though to get installed right.

1. OptTextures.exe - (Textures Check & Compress) 0.7.7.0 By AdPipino
2. Ordenador.exe -(Ordenador) 0.8.3.0 By AdPipino
3. Optimizer " PyFFI" tool set "Python for the operating systems main guest of honer.

All 3 of these are stand alone. Mod Organizer By tannin42 is killer , the very best tool for use in modding fallout 3's weird data base.

 

If things are keppt clean and neatly separated, you can do a lot in a very short time.

 

Just a stone to roll done the street.

kitty.

[Purr4me]

A Small list of Items Not to edit from the main game or mods them selves, because doing so can disrupt the files.

• PyFFI:

1. Char actors _----> the Whole mesh folder is to be moved out of the data folder.
2. Creatures " "
3. Armor " "
4. Face Gen if any " "
5. Decals; this means Bullets textures and mesh files.

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The set up is like this,and your ready to really get down to Brass tax, once things are where you want them, a plan is required.

two folders .

1. Textures
2. Meshes

DO NOT edit Moved out files: Just what remains in the data folder. 1. & 2. are to be protected from edits.

are external from the games Environments. the data that matches the above needs to be removed from being edited, then use of these tools are applied.

 

1. OptTextures.exe - (Textures Check & Compress) 0.7.7.0 By AdPipino
2. Ordenador.exe -(Ordenador) 0.8.3.0 By AdPipino
3. Optimizer " PyFFI" tool set "Python for the operating systems main guest of honer.

After editing, you can now put the Entire set of folders back into place. What this does is streamline the data flow. If you take great care in making sure no sub folders contain any data that matches this criteria, there will be zero errors showing up in the game.

 

Trial and error, and a lot of time. A clean install is very Dirty so, always keep that in mind. Raw data is bad, still requires the need to fix things.

 

Shared bugs found:

• PyFFI will remove what is called duplicates in mesh files, what is thought to be in error is not when it applies to armor or any place the body parts separate. the seams of the overlaid textures, the blood / Gore things that are hidden until the game uses them.....these masks get removed, and thus is very bad. knowing this before using the tools is not common knowledge.
• OptTextures.exe - (Textures Check & Compress) 0.7.7.0 By AdPipino
• Ordenador.exe -(Ordenador) 0.8.3.0 By AdPipino

These two versions used in concert are for extracted data "ONLY" do not repackage these into bsa archives once done. In fo3Edit, at the top, on the right side, in some places, you will notice a term. (compressed). and some mods made, depending on how they are set / rigged, are not compressed.

if you re-compress these further , they disappear in game, not missing, just will not render.

 

bsa is best for Audio files and land mass textures ,Voice files, things like that, those you can only go so far too.

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A basic fallout 3 setup NO DLC's Just fallout 3 ,studied and used in this way, all things found pop out. I found most of the data was from yet another game, Oblivion. Study shows a lot was re-purposed and used, renamed. There seemed to be a cross usage by many types so we find files that are not even used in the game but are needed to the plugins structure to be there. This is relevant when things like control's are used-instead of a keyboard and mouse.

 

So files that fit into that category are needed to NOT be edited too. A semi Colon ( ; ) can go a long ways in some scripts that are no good. Why ?

No xbox, NO PSD. No Other listed as found to be in the games archives are there. Finding these in mod's disrupts the games flow.

 

Just a small amount of info to share.

kitty

Edited August 3, 2014 by Purr4me

[GOsteW]

Thank you very much for these info, I'm going to always keep them in my hard drive ;-)