Upgrade My Janky Computer

mechine · September 1, 2009

Okay so I built a computer to replace my old one 6 months ago or so.

I run Windows XP home, for the win.

If it says old, it's probably going on 5 years old now.

I'd like help picking out upgrades, because I don't have lots of money.

but there's a lot of farm work to do in the fall so I'll get a few bucks to upgrade stuff

SWTOR isn't that far off you knows, an it will be MMO fever again.

Pentium 4 550 HT (old CPU) 3.4Ghz 800Mhz FSB an like 2Mb cashe, simulated duel core

ASUS P5N-D mother board (new) LGA 775, 45nm support, 1333 FSB?, Nvidia 750i, an more

PNY SLI 8800 GT's (new)

A2S sound card PCI (old) P5N-D has onboard 8 channel sound, does the pci sound slow the cpu anymore than the onboard would?

raptor drive, an seagate (old) the only upgrade at this point would be more drives an RAID

DDR2 800 Supertalent overclock ram (new)

Case, Fans, Power supply (new)

20 Dell ultrasharp LCD (old)

Idk the problem is either the CPU or the LCD screen is going to die next,

I've been using the CPU, LCD screen, and drives for almost 5 years.

I was thinking get a new CPU first, since the price on the E8600 core 2 duo was pretty good.

That's pretty much the best LGA 775 I can get right now, maybe $300

6Mb cashe, 3.4Ghz, 2 physical cores,1333 FSB .

But there's E8500 an E8400 for less money an not much difference

Think it's a good idea

gsmanners · September 1, 2009

Well, your mobo is better than mine. :P

If you don't mind a small LCD (like 19") those are pretty cheap right now.

mechine · September 2, 2009

Awe gawd ASUS is such a pain in the butt when it comes to contacting them, or getting BIOS updates, Chipset updates,

And the software drives me crazy.

The BIOS is super nice, an the motherboard is great even running it on a 800 FSB which it's factory like 1333 hahaha

hence the CPU upgrade

that's nice I didn't think about it like that

when I got this LCD it was like 900 bucks so I'm still scared of having to get another one

it's like 5 years old an has a bad pixel (Just happens in LCD's)

It's just now starting to ghost.

So yeah maybe get the CPU an then save up some just in case money for a new screen.

lmao I just now got fallout 3 to work hahahahaha an I bet next week the computer is dead for sure or the screen.

Idk I kind of don't want to weld this CPU into the new motherboard from it frying itself to the socket.

GSmanners FTW! :D Check the make any mod work with any other mod.

I think I'm just going to spam this...

Okay, I feel your pain.

1. compatibility patch like FOIP, or those for BLTC, All of them are worthless, and cause more trouble than they are worth.

2. Just a plain jane Unofficial Fallout Patch is useless, because everything else overwrites most of the stuff in UFP

3. Fallout can be stable, but it requres luck an a Poop ton of work, I mean a real never ending work load

I have a post here named welcome to override, which blogs how I worked on the same thing you kind of have.

I'll go into detail here to help you a bit.

First the load order, or well the crazy load order I have that should never have been used together.

Fallout3.esm

CALIBR.esm

FOOK.esm

RI_Core.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

MMZombieCemetery.esm

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

Sharing and Caring Companions.esm

CRAFT.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp

FOOK.esp

FOOK - Tougher Enemies.esp

FOOK - Owned!.esp

FOOK - Strength Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp

FOOK - Free Play After MQ.esp

FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp

FOOK-ReducedFireDuration.esp

FOOK - Fawkes Quickfix.esp

tubRRCompound.esp

Water_Tower_Hideout_byOrophin.esp

DCInteriors_Georgtown.esp

DCInteriors_Mason.esp

Forge.esp

FireLightFix.esp

GPs Oasis - Clean Water 1.1.esp

OasisStorage.esp

QuantumPipeV2.esp

RecieveTenpennySuite.esp

TL_Color.esp

Metal Salvage.esp

Megaton Tweaks 1.28.esp

Potw V0.6.esp

Showers.esp

rcaddon.esp

Megaton Closes.esp

ExplodingRadios.esp

Not alone in the Wasteland anymore.esp

FollowersRelax.esp

BraveDogmeat.esp

royphilipsveryevilwmask.esp

collectionagent_improved.esp

Trader100%Repair.esp

NPCs Sleep Tighter.esp

Moira.esp

CaravanUpgrades.esp

Rivet_city_security.esp

real deputy weld V0.2.esp

NPC Height Randomizer.esp

SCC - Talk to Anyone.esp

T_R_A_S_C_H.esp

SCC Armor.esp

fessentialdeathtime180.esp

CapsDoubled.esp

Perk_martialart_ENGfix.esp

Cybernetics.esp

SunGlassesFX.esp

UPP - Pack 1.esp

UPP - Pack 2.esp

Magic Fingers Perk.esp

DotW v1.00.esp

Dree Perks.esp

implants.esp

Cybernetic Implants Xangi.esp

Melee-UnarmedPACKeng.esp

ghoulification.esp

Explosive Entry.esp

mazas_campfire.esp

MGSBox.esp

suitcase_nuke.esp

hundredfists.esp

FullAutoPistolsV20test.esp

IREye.esp

Weapon Sound Fixes.esp

GatlingLaserDX.esp

KaBOOM.esp

LessBouncyGrenades.esp

Graphical Nuke Mod.esp

dD-More Gore.esp

dD-Less Blood Time.esp

MaxLevelWorkaround-HP.esp

WastelandMastery.esp

FallDamage101.esp

LongerDeathCamera.esp

DK_BulletTime.esp

VATS - MCE.esp

VatsLongerDistance.esp

Precision_AutoAim_6000.esp

Range Finder v1.0.esp

ShellRain.esp

F3UmpaAnimation.esp

The Groovatron.esp

RI_PNeeds2S.esp

RI_Base3.esp

RI_Alcohol.esp

RI_DoctorCost.esp

RI_CrippledEffects.esp

RI_FOSE.esp

bltc.esp

BLTC No Overdosing.esp

HAZdrugs.esp

FDA1x.esp

Inebriation-FOSE.esp

UsableCigarettes.esp

WieldableTorches.esp

MRE.esp

FalloutFood.esp

AfrosNukaCola.esp

MoreNukaCola.esp

Bottle That Water.esp

Ultra Olney.esp

NailedToDeath.esp

krzymar-MoonSize_300%.esp

No Blur Effect.esp

GNR Fix.esp

MoreMapMarkers.esp

CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp

Stealthboy Recon Armor - CRAFT.esp

Workbench_Crafting_Expansion.esp

FOOK Weapons - CRAFT.esp

CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp

CALIBRxMerchant.esp

PCB.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Fellout-pipboylight.esp

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain and Snow Plugin.esp

Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Increased Spawns.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Wanamingos.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zombie Cementery.esp

OverRideV2Food.esp

OverRideV2Creatures.esp

OverRideV2dialog.esp

OverRideV2Clothing.esp

OverRideV2Weapons.esp

OverRideV2FOOK_NPC.esp

OverRideV2Building_Script.esp

OverRideV2Perks.esp

OverRideV2FOOKscript.esp

OverRideV2Script.esp

MergePatchV3.esp

Wow it's big, yeah that's what she said, no not really, even though it was big she still said it's little just to take me down a notch.

what a bish huh?

Okay so it's not really that big, there's not much actual content in this load out, but it's a experiment anyway.

I wanted to see if it could be done, an yay it can.

I'm too tired to do it now, but soon I'll make a new load order, trolling nexus for every cool mod that I would run

even if it plain flat out says in bold type that it won't work with other mods, because I can fix it or anything now.

So yeah you probably want to do the same an start small, learn to fix that, then go really big man.

The first fix took 6 failed attempts which took 9 full days work to fail at.

I live on a farm so I can work on something all day if I'm not doing farm stuff.

Anyhow,

Okay so those 6 failed attempts were not in vain, the whole time I was learning more an more advanced tricks to fixing stuff.

different methods and what does an does not screw up a mod or load order.

The 7th time was the charm yay!

It also moves faster now, so the next big load out might only take two days to fix even though it's 4 times bigger.

First step

1. delete an remove every compatibility patch you have in the load order, every one of those crappy things.

2. You kind of want to have your load order like mine, with UFP (unofficial fallout patch) right after the .esm's

Then FOOK right after the UFP, the reason being is that there are so many entries you can pretty much

fix 80% of your load order just working in these two mods, because they are both super huge.

The rest of the load order is up to you.

3. uh, FO3edit, download it because you need it to fix this, and other cool stuff.

Okay so it would probably be a good idea to forget about everything you ever learned about load orders.

The basic rules still apply though somewhat.

Esm's

UFP

FOOK

Other huge mods, I mean really huge

This area is the place where the tiny stuff that just adds or does a few things go

Fellout and Weather

MMM

Get something you think it pretty good as far as load order.

Open the whole list with FO3edit, look here an there an see if there is anyway you could make the load order better

Like some mods that you know you want to use over other ones, which the one you want would load after the one you don't

so it will overwrite it, catch my drift yet?

Ah that's okay for a load out, I've seen worse...

Now you perform the merge patch, like all the really great uber players told me to

I'll paste in the post I got that told how to do it.

I didn't do it like they said though, so see my method below.

*Quote*lol.

you hardly seem the same person when posting problems instead of answering them.

load all that into FO3Edit, wait until 'finished', click on left window, ctrl-A to select all, right click, choose 'Create Merged Patch', name it and it will add all the masters it needs and spew out the troublesome conflicts in a handy .esp, open it and have a good look at what's in there, right click and remove anything vestigial or redundant from the original .esp (not the merged patch), close FO3Edit without saving the Merged Patch, rinse and repeat...

you really should install the 1.7 update, if the masterupdate thing is putting you off doing it, just alter the File Header for each mod back to .esp...

when you do have a Merged Patch that you are satisfied with (the first attempt might achieve this), close FO3Edit and Save it, launch FOMM, tick the 'Merged-Patch'.esp and always ensure that it is last in load order.

if you change your load-order, best to delete the patch and make a new one, each and every time (with a clean non-auto non-quick save between).

CTDs should be greatly reduced. *End Quote*

Okay so I kind of took into account what was said, but I knew things so I changed it a bit.

For one I didn't remove any entries, or remove anything for the matter even if it's redundant, or bad.

I fixed everything so it matched, an picked what I wanted as the entry based off the others.

I opened FO3edit, Ctrl A then right click an create merge patch, you can name it whatever, but nameing it mergepatch something

will let you know what it does.

Save it, an idk don't pay attention to the weird errors if it has some in the process of creating the merge patch

the only thing you want to pay attention to is that the whole list of mods was listed in the adding master information or adding master

make sure all the mods are listed, then save it... Close FO3edit which brings up the save check or uncheck.

Now run FOMM an turn Merge patch on or check it, last in the load order, exit FOMM.

Go to FO3edit an launch it (each time you create a new Override you'll have to do this, don't forget)

All it does is makes it so that you don't have to select anything when you launch FO3edit

Okay so load the whole load order again with FO3edit.

Scroll down to the merge patch

open it up, start at the top an work your way down the entries

doing what you have to do in order to get them all green

look in the info tab at the bottom of FO3edit to find out what the pretty colors actually mean (important)

You kind of have to make desisions on which version of the entry you want to use, there's 12 entries for idk

a creature, pick the best one, an either copy paste the data in the entry so that they all match, or you can also

drag an drop, this is left to right as the last entry the furthest to the right is the one Fallout 3 will use.

Takes about a hour or so to fix the merge patch, remember not to remove any entries, you can delete

parts of a entry, like if one small part is causing a conflict, but you can't put it in all the entries

because those don't use that mod as a master like the merge patch does, so you should be able to put

anything in the merge patch, while not everything in the other entries, so say

Ghoulification has something in it, I drag that over to the merge patch entry, yay it worked

now it's a conflict though because the other ones don't and can't have it, I remove the data in the ghoulification entry

in order to fix, it's still in ghoulification, but it's not in the entry for this one item, however it's in merge patch so it's still there.

I don't delete the whole entry just the small part that caused the conflict after I added it to the merge patch. Git it?

blah blah blah, go down an fix the whole merge patch, then save it, or save as you go.

When you get done save it, then load the whole list again, an right click the merge patch an choose

check for errors, if no errors or conflicts are displayed then yay, if there are then fix them

sometimes scripts an other things don't take the first time you enter them into a override or merge patch

so do it again an it usually takes the second time.

Once you get the merge patch 100% fixed, you want to add a folder to your harddrive not your desktop

This is where you open your data folder, and make a copy of all your .esm an .esp files to place in the new file

on the hard drive as a back up, (if you screw up you'll want to start over without having to reinstall anything)

The reason I never remove or delete anything as far as a main entry, an by that I mean you open FO3edit, go to creatures

and open it then click on the red one, there's 12 main entries in there that follow the load order

Fallout3.esm, UFP, FOOK, Nailed to death, MMM

each of those are inside a mod, and yes they are redundant, but say I remove or delete the UFP one

it also removes all references to that entry inside UFP, GECK will warn you when you do this, FO3edit won't

True you can remove an delete stuff an it not effect anything, but every so often you will delete one that will end up

being a land mine and causing mass chaos conflicts across the whole load order (where did that come from)

So yeah, just fix what is there, don't remove the main entry, even though delete an remove is the easy fix, you'll get into trouble.

Now that it's out of the way....

Open FO3edit, load everything up, an always wait for the finished part to show up in the message box.

Waiting Waiting, ZOMG is it ever going to finish.

Lolz it only takes 30 seconds on a huge load order.

You want to start with UFP (unofficial fallout patch)

Open it an find your first conflict an start trying to fix the entries.

Eventually you are going to hit a wall, an something can't be used without adding something as a master to another mod.

This is why when you fix something an it's good or fix a few things you save it often, usually you end up saving like 12-24 .esp at a time.

So you save an load FO3edit many many times, always be working with a known good save.

If you screw up hit the X an don't save anything, even if you have to redo 24 entries or a whole mod.

It would be more easy to re do that than fix your screw up.

You never want to change what the actual mods use as masters.

(adding say UFP as a master to MMM will overwrite MMM's stuff with UFP stuff besides the part you wanted to fix)

(Also adding masters to actual mods will cause weird problems, sometimes causing more conflicts, an more to fix, a nightmare)

(So it's safe to say, never add another mod to a actual mod as a master)

You add masters to a mod in the file header in the block list to the left, they are listed, all you do is right click the top entry for master file.

But you only need to know how to do this in order to add masters to the Overrides you'll create.

Okay so You got to a entry in UFP you can't fix from doing normal stuff like copy paste or drag and drop

It's probably something that is contained inside a mod, which is all the really cool stuff

Awe man that cool thing hasn't been used the whole time I've been playing, ZoMg

What you do is

inside the window to the right in FO3edit where the multiple entries are displayed

Each entry has a very top which is the name of the mod, you right click the name of the mod

and select, copy as override into, then scroll down an pick "new file"

Name the file what it is that you are working on so you can keep up with it an also keep them seperate

(too many masters in a OverRide plug in will cause problems, so idk maybe 10-12 per Override, or hey just 3 masters to a override it's up to you)

The more split up into seperate plug in's the better it will work is what I'm saying

Okay so you copied as override into a new override file you created an named good

OverrideV1Creatures.esp this is your generic creature Override, and will probably have to use

the creature mods as masters, like FOOK, Nailed to death, ultra onley, MMM, UFP

What you do is get a piece of paper, and write down the names of the mods in the whole conflicting entry in UFP or whatever

then one by one enter them in, inside the file header in the block list of your OverrideV1Creatures.esp at the bottom of the list

in FO3edit, However it's hard to type them out an you can get it wrong which will cause it to error when you load the load order in FO3edit

You can either scroll up an look at the name, or if it's difficult minimize FO3edit, then open the data file

go to that mod, and open up the name like you were going to rename it, only copy that to clipboard don't change it

, since when you rename it selects all highlights the whole name by default it's easy.

Go back to FO3edit, then paste that in as a master to your Override, but don't ever forget to add the .esp or .esm at the end of the name

the name has to be exactly right, and if you ask me we name stuff retarded sometimes, Geez, FOOK_I"m_A_DOOb_*space*X1V3test.esp

After you have all the masters added to the Override, save it, and then make it load automaticly via FOMM an launch FO3edit again

If you screw up FO3edit will tell you an just delete the .esp an start over.

Now, Remember how I said never remove/delete a Main entry inside FO3edit's Mulitiple entry list

Well you can delete an remove entries you make into the Override.esp you make

In fact you can use anything to create a Override an then delete everything inside the Override just so that you can create a new .esp

to make a Override out of. Like say you knew you were going to make one, just click a entry, it doesn't even have to conflict with anything

create the override, then go to the override in the block list a delete the container or creatures in the block list, edit the header as you like

and save it, then start overriding.

Pretty much you create the override then go back to the mod you were fixing like UFP and view that conflict list entry

the OverrideV1Creatures is now at the end of the list an it also can use everything and anything from any of the mods in the conflict list

or multiple entry list, it's also very last in the load order so represents what fallout 3 will use, so at this point it's only a matter of making the

decisions for what you want that entry to look like.

An example of this is takeing whiskey, which like 20 mods change the whiskey.

Using Overrides you can make the last entry look like the mod with the best whiskey stats

while also the really cool part is you can make a whiskey that has distruction data from FOOK,

Get's you drunk from inebriation-Fose (the screen gets blury an you can't walk), Give you a empty bottle for metal salvage,

Quinches thirst for primary needs, And jesus even has the Overdose capablity of BLTC or more.

Lolz MMM Glowing one ghouls with the UFP fix for glowing one's script in it

RI primary needs addictions, and BLTC addictions combined in the doctor script to remove addicitons

Ghoulifications join the ghoul faction an have them as followers added to MMM's great textures an fighting types

FOOK toughter enemys added to nailed to death, added to ultra onley, added to ghoulification, added to MMM

Geez, STALKER added to 20th century weapons, FOOK, WMK, FWE, XFO

Pretty much you can make any mod work with anything and everything.

You'll see,

UFP (unofficial fallout patch) takes a hour or few hours to fix, but fixes maybe 1/4 of the load order

FOOK probably fixes half the load order

So after you get past the huge mods at the start, it all goes downhill

you actually get tired of not seeing any conflicts, but it gets hard to find them

I still have some I got tired of looking for

I guess you could right click an check for errors as a guide

I think I'll try that.

You also wana take notes

for one

I wrote a note to add all the 7 other food mods I have to the primary needs Override so they will make the player not hungry

or that the doctor addictions script was located in the RI_base3.esp incase I messed it up adding all those things from other mods.

After you get it finished or 98% finished, you probably want to start a new game

sometimes old games get messed up, but then sometimes new games get messed up

I had to restart like 3-4 times just to get a clean start I knew wasn't going weird

that's not our fault the game engine just does that because of the vast amount of data

heck you can just have a bad load up of Fallout 3 an it causes a crash

reboot an try again to fix it, heh doesn't that suck

but after you get a good new game start then you just avoided most of the problems in the future.

Shoot I even master updated my Override load order, an I have 1.7

I had these glitchy static popping sounds, I did many settings changes an found out that it was just the settings in the launcher for fallout

I set them to ultra an then moved them back down where they were an it fixed it.

The first thing you want to do is make the new game start, and then test an make sure that it's a good one

without any problems, this is your clean save for the future references in order to get a diagnosis for a problem.

It's a huge huge game, so the start is the most important as far as avoiding crashes.

gsmanners · September 2, 2009

Merge is the new placebo, huh? You're not going to convince this skeptic with heresy like that.

I think some people put together a huge merged patch of doom and then *restart* the game. One of these things is probably more correlated with a "stable" game (if such a thing is really possible with this version of Gamebryo). Now, what's more likely? That a freshly restarted game is more stable, or that a merge of a ton of junk is somehow magically more stable than a loose collection of that very same junk?

mechine · September 2, 2009

It's only a experiment to make all the mods good parts be added to the final entry.

On the scale that it fixes an does this for the whole of the load order as far as conflicts that would otherwise be unfixable/unused

with the bonus of adding player made content to a mod with effects for said content types.

Naw I wouldn't advise trying to fix all the containers yourself,

which merge patch pretty much takes care of and even more, somewhat in a safe semi automated process.

When I ran the merge patch it just fixed about 25% of the bad stuff

OverRide isn't a new idea, just scaled up, it works with the merge patch in order to fix everything.

The only thing I really meant to call placebo or whatever

was FOIP an compatibility patches

From viewing them in FO3edit it just made things worse.

Yes an no.

New games are more stable if you end up changing anything, adding a mod, editing a mod, ect.

Might as well be a given at this point an for all future reference.

I ran the merge patch before even starting the OverRide, while also fixing the Merge patch before OverRides as well

then creating a back up of .esm an .esp before the start of fixing what merge patch did not, because it would almost

certianly create the "huge merge patch of doom" if merge patch was fully automated and fixed everything.

OverRides are tiny, small and seperated that way in order to avoid stepping on a land mine.

No one OverRide contains too much or uses too many mods as masters to add content to the table

in a final entry.

"Now, what's more likely? That a freshly restarted game is more stable, or that a merge of a ton of junk is somehow magically more stable than a loose collection of that very same junk?"

Hmmmm, No, it's not so much the case.

Before starting a new game, whiskey in Game would when you drink it, do more than one mods thing

Like Quench Primary needs thirst, get you drunk from inebriation, add a empty bottle from metal salvage, or even more

like having BLTC's overdose effect (I didn't build it into it though this time)

Besides fixing conflicts across the load order at the same time, it deals with picking an using the best content in the final entry

as well as the final entry being a collage of all the great parts of the mods in the load order into a non conflicting final entry

useable in game.

Another example would be MMM creatures that also share and use the Ghoulification scripts to make MMM ghouls be followers of the player

while also using other mods inside it as well if applicable, while not adding these mods as masters to MMM or any of the actual mods

OverRides are seperate from the mods, and avoids adding any mod as a master to another mod in order to do this.

Is a multiple entry list that is conflicting anymore stable than one that is not?

It's a mute point because the multiple entry list that isn't conflicting which you fixed is now ruled out as to a cause of a problem.

That being said it's only to a certian extent, because we don't view the big picture of data like the computer does.

You could probably argue about redundant data, but the engine is just going to use the last entry in the list

while also each of those redundant entries may have many references (like they placed it in the game world) inside the

actual mod when it loads, while removing it would either null that reference or fall back onto the entry built into

either the Fallout3.esm or the mod before it which has the entry, but who's to say that it works that way.

For one I know that GECK warns you about this, which is why I put my money on that durring the load up process for

the mod in question that it should have the entry inside the mod for the references to work.

Came up with this from running into problems when I took the easy way out, by removing/deleting entries inside a multiple entry list

as a solve for a conflict, which sometimes would cause a mass of conflicts across the load order

1. You get conflicts fixed without removing anything from any mod, besides sub-entries into a multiple entry list which is later in the final entry

anyway, thanks to the OverRide that does have mods added as masters, but the OverRide content is tiny, so adding the mods as masters

won't replace anything like it would if you has say, added one mod as a master to another mod later in the list, when you did that

all the stuff in the mod that you added as a master to the other mod, just overwrote an messed up the mod you added the master to

which doesn't always happen, but when it does it's a land mine causing mass conflicts across the load order.

2.Since when is going thru your multiple entry conflicts in FO3edit a bad idea? You're doing it anyway, why not Create OverRides

when something pops up that the normal methods won't fix, I would say maybe 10% of the stuff needs a override in order to fix.

I even found a broken mod in the list, so just going thru the load order with FO3edit is a must.

3. Durring the process you get the "final say" as to what and how things will work inside the game world rather than someone elses ideas

on how fallout should work on your computer.

4.Then later after the process the Overrides serve to provide content, I.E. adding every player made food type like in MRE, FDA, fallout food

or more to the RI_primary needs table for the scripts an effects for hunger

gsmanners · September 2, 2009

I guess I can see the advantage in making a merged patch if you have a good idea what you want to be using in the game. Plus, it does have the convenience of making problematic load orders a non-issue *if* you know why the conflicts they would otherwise have exist. That understanding surely requires the familiarity of not just how those conflicting items work, but how they interact with the rest of the mods they are intended to be used in.

The disadvantage to this method is that it creates even greater opportunities for future conflict, and makes future improvements to all these mods (which are surely changing on a regular basis in the case of large mods) much more difficult. Plus, there is the general truism that keeping things simple is always better than complicating things.

mechine · September 3, 2009

Agreed...

Though, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

I think maybe you're right about the KISS thing (keep it simple stupid)

But I know that's not really a place I want to go.

I'm not a programer or developer, so stability is thrown out the window.

However it's a good point. Which leads me to think we might be better off starting small.

With just a simple clean installed system, Game, then patched.

Get that working well, (with tons of ingame testing chaos),

for either a system checkpoint or otherwise known good foundation.

Idk just getting that part done will be a bit of work in itself.

I'm going to stop trolling, I cause more stuff than I fix, making matters worse.

blah, blah, blah...

STOP THIS MADNESS! lolz

Idk I kind of need to focus on actually getting this refined so it will actually bring something to the noob table.

Like maybe going from a bunch of words to a actual guide or something, or at least a working version of fallout for myself.

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