Unavi Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 hmm.... well, yea i cheat....but only after a test of an armor or weapon that i was working on it for several hours before. I use the Arena district as a dump and after the play test i usualy go on a rampage with TGM enabled, and all the important skills and atributes at 100% It's a good way to realease all the frustration i get while i'm in the modeling and texturing phase. However i have never cheated while playing the game seriously...(maybe some TCL here and then when i got stuck :P) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman132 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 After i played through every quest the game has to offer and then some more the game didn't have to offer i started cheating to make things that are annoying the first time and would be more annoying the tenth time go away. Waiting for NPCs to go behind that wall so i can sneak past them? Getting jumpy because the battlemusic starts to play only to find out you are being harassed by a mudcrab? Are you tired of hearing the same Sentences about you over and over again? "Look at the Muscles on you!" Especially when the Appearance of your Character hasn't changed one bit? I can do very well without that. So i enchanted me some Armor to be completely invisible with 100% Chameleon. While that is possible in the normal Game without the use of the console or cheat mods and therefor technically not really cheating, it led to some more experimenting with the console when i played through the game and every single quest again. I spawned Stuff and NPCs, mostly "denvyr" because he is a merchant that has FFFF Money, which is 63535. I got tired of selling so many items underpriced... I TCL'd through Oblivion worlds, because they really become a bit boring after you saw them for the hundredth time. I think "TCL" stands for "Toggle Collision, Lol!", TGM means "Teh God Mode". "TFC" is missing an "S" and an "M", because it obviously means "Team Fortress Classic Spectator Mode"... :D After i did everything possible with the console, i downloaded me some mods. Some of those where crazy hard and some turned out to be cheat mods. I had a mod which had a sigilstone with a really mighty enchantment. The Modder seemed to have forgotten to uncheck the "Automatically calculate enchantment cost" Button because it used up more energy then sheogoraths "Hold!" Staff... Finally, the Construction Set was on my Radar. I read tutorials and made me some superweapons with just about enough damage to instantly kill everything but the strongest enemies. I still need to sneak up on those ridiculously strong Goblins... I made a ring with 100% Chameleon, some health, mana and fatigue regeneration and 1000 Feather. With that i can deal with just about everything the game and most modders can throw at me while i'm half asleep =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megatarius Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Position: It's cheating to change the game's mechanics to suit your whim and short attention span. It's not cheating to get around things about the game that feel like they were designed by an 8 year old. 1. Guards It's cheating to get rid of a bounty in the console just to make the guard who saw you break into a house stop chasing you. It's not cheating to get rid of a bounty resulting from killing a man with no one around, and then five minutes later a guard comes galloping up on horseback from the opposite direction and tells me he's confiscating my stolen goods. :rolleyes: (This happened while I was using Reneer's Guard Overhaul. Nice.) 2. TCL It's cheating to walk through a locked gate and then say your character coincidentally found a lockpick on the ground, which was then used to open a hard lock without breaking. What luck right? Maybe you then raise your luck in the console. Cheating. It's not cheating to tcl up onto a ledge that the character could easily grab unto and climb up in real life. The only games I can think of that have realistic climbing in them are GTA, Zelda, recent Mario adventure titles, and a Prince of Persia game for Mac in the early 90's. 3. player.additem It's cheating to add the amount of money you want for a piece of clothing you can't afford. It's not cheating to pick up an old save from months ago, drop all your items, Travel to a point outside the game world (with a mod), and then console add a few items of clothing that person would logically own. Viola, instant game start with no prison. 4. Skills It's cheating to raise skills extremely high after previously making use of low skills with that character. It's not cheating to do that and then also raise the age slider. :thumbsup: It's also not cheating to raise skills way up at the very start, and only at the very start. 5. Enemies Finally, it's cheating to console kill monsters you just don't want to deal with. But it's not cheating to console kill every wolf that charges at you out of the trees every five minutes, ruining the music, ruining the attempt at realism, ruining the immersion, and ruining the game. (But it would be cheating to loot their bodies.) I've seen a lot of talk of cheating here. I've cheated with every game I've ever played. There comes a point at which it (any game) ceases to be a game at all, and becomes that ugly opposite of games: work. I usually feel sheepish about it, like if it's Zelda, ambivalent, like if it was Doom back in the day, or justified, like if it's Oblivion. It all comes down to your experience and your character. Some people would say that my wilderness player.additem thing is cheating. The game is about getting out of prison first, or whatever a mod makes it be about. You can't just decide to be from the wilderness. But my characters are often ranger types, and it makes sense to add clothes they would have with them in the forest or if they are coming from a distant village or something. (The edge of the physical map, where it's just non-collision mountains going off into the distance, makes an excellent vantage point for looking back one last time at the valley of your people. I then got arrested in the IC, cranked up the age slider a visible notch, got out and traveled to the sewer exit, and was off.) So there's "cheating" and there's cheating. We could say it's cheating to reload your old saves and not just start a new game every time you die. It's cheating to use the difficulty slider. But those are things provided by the game, therefore they are considered okay to do, right? So is the console, you just have to work a little harder to learn what to type. Since you had to earn it's use, it's power should only be used with great care. Establish whatever logic you want about how the game should work. It's cheating if you don't follow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkatu Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I like to role play. I used cheats to test mods,like money cheat. Buy the house, item from a mod, see if it works, play test a little. That's what I use cheats for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veilchen Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Same as Pushkatu. I cheat to test mods, simply because I don't want to spend a lot of valuable time testing one. I love mods, but I will test them out first. I use 'tlc' because of stuckiness, and I'll use 'barter.gold' because after selling the merchants all that grand stuff worth 10's of thousand's of gold for pawnshop money, it makes it hard to believe that they'd still only have ~ 2000 (or so) to pay me for my daedric, ebony, etc., things. Come on now, after getting all this high priced stuff at bargain basement prices from me, you have to have a little more money. And I do believe my PC-girl is smart enough to realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elisedd47 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I rarely cheat, it kinda ruines all my hard work.However sometimes I'll create a character and do nothing but cheat when I'm bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezard_valeth21 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 sometimes when im in real need of money xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaargoroth Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Like many who has stated this, I, too, Roleplay with my Assassin. For instance, I like to "stage" a murder scene after my Character killed someone - Like placing a short sword or a dagger in the victims hand, stating that he took his life or placing wine and ale around him, also stating that he drank till his death. But on Topic I would say; Yes. Or rather, "used to". I used to Cheat back when Oblivion was on XP but mainly because I wanted to explore the Oblivion worlds and to see what the different Cheats would do. Sometimes I did the Instant Kill Cheat on a Guard in order to use his armor and sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germandeathkittiez Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Vanilla is easy to do without cheating, just skillgrind before you get the classes. My newest char I just allowed to sneak into a wall where the first Goblin and left him there while I left the computer and did other things, till I became master of sneak. I really see no point in doing all those skills and leveling all over on another character, every time you make a new character; it's boring and it's really a waste of time when you've done it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metroidkillah Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I only cheat the hard way (i.e. find a spot where I can safely sneak indefinitely, auto-move into a corner, and then go do something else for a while). I have also been known to summon a monster, and then use it to level up a particular skill. It's time consuming, sure, but it's also completely legit. So I guess your answer is no, I don't cheat... yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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